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Jedi Ben
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6/30 2:51pm
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RE: The Official Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight Discussion Thread (Spoilers allowed)
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I have to agree with PAP on the difficulty where the singular personality option is taken, however, if we consider Anakin and Vader as two different personas, the solution presents itself with the Vader persona being the literal creation of the dark side.
Equally it could be suggested to be multiple personality disorder with the new one utterly displacing the existing character to such a degree as to render it dormant for 20 years.
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The_Four_Dot_Elipsis
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PadmeA_Panties posted:
Yea, why even bother to pretend this is literature at all and just write whatever the kriffin we feel like right?
This isn't literature. It's trashy pulp.
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Amrita_Glittersong
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6/30 5:27pm
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So, random question:
I was on Padme's page on Wookiepedia, and someone said that more detail was given on her cause of death in Jedi Twilight (they said page 350, specifically.) Is this true?
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DarthStymi
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6/30 5:29pm
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The distinction between "trashy pulp" and literature is really blurred. Many whose works had been considered trash pulp are now considered "literary."
Just a few examples: Edgar Allen Poe, Raymond Chandler, and some guy named Shakespeare. Incidentally, Stephen King's work, which gas been classified as pop trash for most of his career, is starting to be recognized as "literature."
I personally think the distinction is arbitrary and used mostly by highbrow snobs.
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Barriss_Coffee
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6/30 7:41pm
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Trashy pulp or not, this book was awesome!
I mean, Xizor had a kriffin' lightsaber battle!!! Nerdgasmatastic!
Random thoughts:
-Rostoni said previously that Nick was only in this first novel. Yet from the way it ended, it seems as though Nick will be a returning character.
-Speaking about endings, I appreciate that Reaves didn't cop-out and give us a KJA-style finale in which all the villains die. Besides, I like characters with more than the usual two-dimension good/evil personality.
-This novel was a definite sequel to both Shadow Hunter and the Medstar duo, since not only did it reuse the characters, but it continued entire storylines (i.e. Lorn's holocron, I5's story, Kaird's mission, etc). Those who didn't read those other novels beforehand might be a little lost, I'd imagine.
-Did I mention that Xizor's duel was most badass? 
My only complaint is that it dragged a little in the middle. But the ending totally compensated for that.
And concerning the preview for Book #2:
TYPHO HAD THE HOTS FOR PADME!?! Now there's a story with potential. I'm looking forward to that one. And the possible return of Typho's sinister uncle, Moff Panaka....
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Bly
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Barriss_Coffee posted:
TYPHO HAD THE HOTS FOR PADME!?! Now there's a story with potential. I'm looking forward to that one. And the possible return of Typho's sinister uncle, Moff Panaka....
... 
Just .
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Barriss_Coffee
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On second thought, the preview for Book #2 was possibly the best part... 
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NelanisGhost
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Bly posted:
Barriss_Coffee posted:
TYPHO HAD THE HOTS FOR PADME!?! Now there's a story with potential. I'm looking forward to that one. And the possible return of Typho's sinister uncle, Moff Panaka....
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Just .
Why is this surprising? She is, even if not your "type", very beautiful. It's easy to fall in love (esp for a hormone driven male) with one so fair and one he sees everyday and knows so well. And she is also his queen, his boss, and a beloved ruler, very feminine and sweet.
Many that are servants love their employers this way. Of course, they cannot act on it. I think it quite tragic, that he had to watch her be with a man that (ultimately) broke her spirit, enough to kill her.
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Charlemagne19
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PadmeA_Panties posted:
But can that just automatically throw a switch that turns you from a whining adolescent boy who is basically unable to convey love yet carry a conversation into a brooding, calculating, complicated man who is able to mastermind and engineer not just dozens, but hundreds of beings, yet alone some of them being Jedi/Princes/High-End intelligent people?
Or we can assume Anakin really WAS a brilliant General during the Clone Wars and a Jedi Knight.
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NelanisGhost posted:
Bly posted:
Barriss_Coffee posted:
TYPHO HAD THE HOTS FOR PADME!?! Now there's a story with potential. I'm looking forward to that one. And the possible return of Typho's sinister uncle, Moff Panaka....
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Just .
Why is this surprising? She is, even if not your "type", very beautiful. It's easy to fall in love (esp for a hormone driven male) with one so fair and one he sees everyday and knows so well. And she is also his queen, his boss, and a beloved ruler, very feminine and sweet.
Many that are servants love their employers this way. Of course, they cannot act on it. I think it quite tragic, that he had to watch her be with a man that (ultimately) broke her spirit, enough to kill her.
It's not that Padmé is unattractive, it's just that it's so...well...random to me. There was absolutely no evidence (at least to me) to suggest it, so it just seems kinda out of the blue.
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Charlemagne19
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Bly posted:
It's not that Padmé is unattractive, it's just that it's so...well...random to me. There was absolutely no evidence (at least to me) to suggest it, so it just seems kinda out of the blue.
To be fair, Typho and his predecessor weren't exactly dripping with personality.
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Jedi_Hall
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Senator_Cilghal posted:
2. Everyone and there dog is familiar with the Noghri, the Yevetha, and their cultures; flies in the face of the Thrawn Trilogy and the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy
This is highly bothering me. I'm only half way through the book, and other than these little niggling facts, I'm enjoying it.
But seriously, doesn't Del Rey have editors for this ****? Or do they just not care about what has come before?
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The_Four_Dot_Elipsis posted:
I want Goodwin/Perry-esque badassery, by the bucketload. The sooner the better.
Yes.
Let's not make the mistake that Star Wars novels are true literature or will ever be considered true literature. Whether they will be considered in time (a highly doubtful proposition) isn't terribly relevant to us right now.
But if you're reading Star Wars, you shouldn't be doing it for a literary purpose. One can be entertained by the utter inanity of Star Wars while still enjoying fine literature elsewhere.
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Charlemagne19
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GrandAdmiralJello posted:
Yes.
Let's not make the mistake that Star Wars novels are true literature or will ever be considered true literature. Whether they will be considered in time (a highly doubtful proposition) isn't terribly relevant to us right now.
But if you're reading Star Wars, you shouldn't be doing it for a literary purpose. One can be entertained by the utter inanity of Star Wars while still enjoying fine literature elsewhere.
I largely tend to reject the snobbishness of attempting to define one thing as literature over the next. Star Wars is Pulp Literature in the context of something that has extended since the era of Queen Victoria and includes some of the most classic characters in literature history. While War and Peace will always be one of the best books of all time, there's nothing inherently demeaning about writing to the mass.
Isaac Asimov wasn't just one of the best science fiction authors in the world, he's one of the best authors the world has EVER produced. Likewise, Frank Herbert. The idea of mass produced genre fiction being literature is simply a matter of describing how much content is actually located within it.
Star Wars, itself, is the Lord of the Rings for films. It's the film set that changed film making forever and while the books are off-shoots of that series, there's nothing that makes it any less worthwhile by nature than anything else. Luke Skywalker is as immortal a character as Sherlock Holmes and we should treat him with the same respect.
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You're fully aware that there's a tremendous difference between derivative, mass-market licensed products and original fiction. Regardless of the merits of various sorts of mass entertainment that have occasionally become enshrined as middlebrow productions, it's difficult for Star Wars works to ever approach that level. Difficult, and--I hasten to add--almost entirely unnecessary. Is it terribly relevant that because some entertainment has been regarded with admiration by posterity that Star Wars will necessarily do so? I shouldn't think so.
As for Tolstoy's blatantly propagandistic screed--let's not give it any consideration at all.
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