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ARC-77
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7/14 12:55pm
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DarthStymi posted:
I've read plenty of Allston. He does not do the same thing.
If anything, Allston does shorter. He's had three-page chapters in some of the Wraith books. But like I said before, didn't bother me in the least.
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JaySkywalker01
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I found it interesting that Vader was described as being...polite as always. I suppose he is kind of nice when he strangles the life out of people at times.... But otherwise that never really came across to me.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Robimus posted:
Ah, but do we know I5's whereabouts in the events between Shadow Hunter and Jedi Twilight? Den and I5 are said to have become companions on Drongar. In fact much of page 45 talks about their travels around the galaxy before returning to Coruscant. I think the possibility still exists, however unlikely.
If I5 travelled to Drongar....hmnnn, I'm still thinking on this.
Edit: Yeah, I think your right unless R2 and C3PO can be placed together on a blockade runner pre-order 66. Might even be an error on Reaves part. Describing the protocol droid as downright whiny does make it sound like C3PO.
*headdesk*
A way to make this work -- and actually have it be a cameo of R2 and 3PO -- would be to assume that Den and I-5 left Coruscant for a short time after their arrival around the time of Order 66, and then came back, but I don't know if the text passages even support that retcon possibility. 
Other than that, we're left with the possibility that it was simply another astromech-protocol team, possibly even on another blockade runner. Which just seems arbitrary and/or unimaginative.
Is anyone even checking these books for mistakes?
Robimus posted:
Also the when the Old Republic became the Galactic Empire statement in the book could be taken as a little vague, but I see your point.
That's another issue. Reaves refers to the Galactic Senate being "overthrown". That's not quite what happened, but it is from the POV of a character that's been on the run and may not know the specifics of the political situation. So far, what I've seen of the "Dark Times" era material has tended to take a monolithic approach in portraying the shift to Empire. Hopefully Reaves hasn't forgotten the Imperial Senate's continued existence until ANH ( which Lucas helpfully mentioned in ROTS! ) and the fact that Vader & Co. had been concerned about the prospect of the Alliance gaining the Senate's sympathy.
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Manisphere
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Just an aside here. I'm sorry not to have seen Jedi Twilight on the NYT Bestseller list for mass-market fiction. I haven't seen a Star Wars book not hit the list in a while. Death Star did and I hated the novel. This one I loved. What were Del Rey's sales expectations considering Vader isn't on the cover and he's the only Movie character in the novel? Not that I don't love the pulp-Jedi cover. I just wonder who even knows about this series with the end of LOTF, The Clone Wars and TFU this year. And why would Death Star make it on the list and not this novel??
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Arawn_Fenn
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Vader is on the cover... in a sense...
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The_Four_Dot_Elipsis
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Manisphere posted:
And why would Death Star make it on the list and not this novel??
Maybe people liked it better.
Oh, I went there.
In all seriousness, it's a better novel. Also, "Death Star" is a far more recognisable element to a Star Wars fan than say "Coruscant."
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DarthStymi
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ARC-77 posted:
DarthStymi posted:
I've read plenty of Allston. He does not do the same thing.
If anything, Allston does shorter. He's had three-page chapters in some of the Wraith books. But like I said before, didn't bother me in the least.
I have no problem with short chapters. I have read many fine novels with short chapters. But style and pacing is an issue here as well. For example, Allston's Wraith novels were very fact paced, and short chapters worked better there (but the chapters were also of variable length, if I remember correctly). Note, Allston did not do the same for his LoTF novels. For me, it is not working as well in the Coruscant Night novel. The short chapters interfere with the pace. It almost feels like a cheap ploy to give the story more depth than it has. That is not to say I don't like the book. I just don't find myself entrenched in it.
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There's hardly a book that doesn't have "NY Times Bestseller" on its cover. Personally, wise and jaded as I am, that sort of self congratulating burple puts me off a book purchase. You hawk something that bad, it must be bad.
Sith dinners, I learnt well from Rhapsody: over a dozen accolades in its opening pages. The most revolting read I've ever experienced.
If something is good, it's name will self itself, because sci fi fans are geeks and nuts who liaise with each other all over the world.
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Manisphere
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The_Four_Dot_Elipsis posted:
Manisphere posted:
And why would Death Star make it on the list and not this novel??
Maybe people liked it better.
Oh, I went there.
In all seriousness, it's a better novel. Also, "Death Star" is a far more recognisable element to a Star Wars fan than say "Coruscant."
Death Star is the worst! I'll say it again. It was the worst EU novel I've ever read. I hate it like beets! Maybe the fact that I paid $25 for it and $9 for Jedi Twilight and loved it feeds my Death Star hatred.
Excellence posted:
There's hardly a book that doesn't have "NY Times Bestseller" on its cover. Personally, wise and jaded as I am, that sort of self congratulating burple puts me off a book purchase. You hawk something that bad, it must be bad.
If something is good, it's name will self itself, because sci fi fans are geeks and nuts who liaise with each other all over the world.
Well, being a NYT bestseller doesn't mean a thing except that it shows the book is selling well out of the starting gate. I'd have liked Jedi Twilight on the list cause...well if I was Reaves I'd want it there. 
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I ended up buying Jedi Twilight, and have absolutely cherished every moment and inflexion of it. That teaches me for going hot and cold over whether to buy it or not, and being a general pain in the posterior. 
This book could have been made a Hardcover. That and, it is sad/travesty for it not to reach #1 on the bestseller list, let alone not be on it at all. It sure does deserve to.
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Never mind. Wrong thread.
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there's a difference between using a decent vocab and using technobabble
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Manisphere posted:
Death Star is the worst! I'll say it again. It was the worst EU novel I've ever read.
You really, really, really need to read more EU.
May I introduce you to Barbara Hambly?
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Cilghal, that's a good point. I'd argue, however, that there was almost zero technobabble in this book, and instead a great deal of sophisticated vocabulary which I, for one, appreciated. 
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Manisphere
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The_Four_Dot_Elipsis posted:
Manisphere posted:
Death Star is the worst! I'll say it again. It was the worst EU novel I've ever read.
You really, really, really need to read more EU.
May I introduce you to Barbara Hambly?
lol. Actually I never read any Hambly.
Senator_Cilghal posted:
there's a difference between using a decent vocab and using technobabble
Aww, nearly every EU author is guilty of the same transgression including Lucas. Course each author has their own way of avoiding or overusing technobabble.
Compared to Rogue or Wraith Squadron books which are hugely popular and filled with "technobabble" this is a comparatively tech free book. We have a lot of description of Coruscant but I loved that.
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