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Rogue_Follower
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Amrita_Glittersong posted:
So, random question:
I was on Padme's page on Wookiepedia, and someone said that more detail was given on her cause of death in Jedi Twilight (they said page 350, specifically.) Is this true?
It's in the preview pages for Street of Shadows, actually. Her autopsy reports indicate that she died from strangulation. Which is much better than "losing the will to live." 
Though, the same autopsy reports indicate that "her child" died with her, so they're probably forgeries of some kind...
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s65horsey
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Good read. I really like Jax's character (I know, why do I always fall for the jerks?) however I think there is good in him, especially the last few thoughts he has on feeling like if he even touches one life then he makes a difference and does things the Jedi way.
I can't wait for further books. I enjoy the montage of people they have interacting with each other and the droid intrigues me to no end. (He met Artoo and Threepio?!?!)
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Good book, and since everyone else has vocalized my other thoughts, I'll leave it at that. 
However, I did spot a continuity error no one else seems to have spotted: a stormie NCO is mentioned as having green rank stripes indicating his Sergeant's position. Unless this poor Stormtrooper was stuck with some old Phase-I clone gear, I doubt this was standard amongst the Corps. 
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GrandAdmiralJello
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Robimus posted:
This is actually a problem I am having with this novel, that an effort has been made by Reaves to push this more toward a higher level of minor literature, than just a fun Star Wars novel.
Now, now, recherché language does not make literature, else every junior high schooler with a thesaurus ought to be considered a belletrist. Simply because the vocabulary is ought of your league doesn't mean that it's deviating from its pulp roots. In fact, exotic vocabulary and purple prose tend to be hallmarks of science fiction and fantasy.
It's hardly anything new.
C19 posted:
Shakespeare wrote the vast majority of his plays for easy cash. If you wish to argue that someone making a sequel inherently makes the work a derivitive inferior work, I point to the fact that Henry V was made solely as a sequel to cash in on Henry IV part I and Part II.
Dear sir, creating a work for profit is not the point. Artists have to live, don't they? The greatest poets and sculptors all created works at someone else's behest. They created sequels, too--what do you think Medea is if not a sequel to an even more archaic telling of the Argonautica?
The difference, though, is that these works were not created as part of a media empire. They were not created as an element of merchandise with a particular audience. The artistic merits of cinema may be debated until we all go blue in the face, but would a companion story to Wall-E be considered a work of literature? Good gods, let's hope not.
It is a literature of a sort, being the product of the written word, but should it ever be admitted to the canon?
Jedi_Hall posted:
That really isn't a fact you can state. The title 'work of art' depends solely on the opinion of the person reading it. What might be a 'work of art' to you, is a piece of garbage to me, and vise versa. For example, if I had a time machine, I'd go back in time and punch Shakespeare in the wiener for writing horrid trash. I also hold Stephen King and Dean Koontz as two of the greatest authors who have ever lived. For me, they make true 'works of art'.
No.
Subjectivity in the arts is the product of the proletarianization of the greatest things in human society. Nothing is held sacred any longer because any fool with an opinion feels as if he has an equal right to it. With respect, he does not.
DarthStymi posted:
These debates about what is and isn't literary art is becoming ridiculous, and the manner in which some state their opinion, as incontestable is rude and pompous--but who knows, maybe that is what they are shooting for.
Ah, perhaps it would be rude if it were but a matter of opinion. But the words of a qualified litterateur are hardly just that.
The sooner people realize that not all beliefs are equal, the better.
you posted:
Literary/non-literary. Who defines these? An elite class of privileged individuals. I say let them.
Yes, quite so.
you posted:
I enjoy books that are classified as literary, and I enjoy those classified as pop trash. And as I, and others, have stated before, there are countless examples of previously considered pop trash texts that are now considered "literary."
That was quite my point. You'll recall that another was criticizing the work on grounds that weren't--or shouldn't be--applicable to pulp. It is a work of entertainment and as such, should be criticized on pertinent grounds.
But it's ridiculous to state that somewhere down the line, someone could consider these works to be high literature. What does that sort of speculation prove? What's the point?
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Who knowd how Star Wars literature will be evaluated down the road, but as an English scholar myself, I thought the NJO was rather unique--an expansive five year, multiple author story line.
It was unique, if poorly executed and badly handled. I say this because it's relevant in terms of an entertainment product, not in terms of literature. It's utterly irrelevant how the NJO will be regarded in one hundred years, and to try to make any sort of point on that basis is nothing but an appeal to ignorance.
It simply does not matter.
It is what it is, and ought to be discussed on that basis and that alone.
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Havac
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This is the thread for discussing the book, not arguing about the definition of literature. Thanks.
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I suspect that was the entire point.
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'Twas a general warning.
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I told you not to continue this line of discussion.
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So is I-Five moving toward sentience? He has a Force signiature of some kind that Jax can pick up on? Or does Jax just have a little Kiffar in his bones?  Interesting, I don't mind the idea of droids becoming self aware but I think I'd rather not having them entering into a situation where their awareness is detectable through the Force, anymore than I want a scanner capable of telling who Jedi are by examining their brain waves . I'm glad that idea ended up crushed under a boot. 
It's kinda nice to see a droid as a real star again. I find I-Five's story a bit more interesting than the human one in this book.
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Luke can detect Artoo's signature in the Force. It's long been established that droids, especially ones without memory wipes or limited programming, are far closer to sentience than organics are willing to grant, if not there already.
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Havac posted:
Luke can detect Artoo's signature in the Force. It's long been established that droids, especially ones without memory wipes or limited programming, are far closer to sentience than organics are willing to grant, if not there already.
Interesting, didn't know that.
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The sort of cameo with the droids was interesting, at least. Those guys get everywhere.
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I have also been interested in the role of I-5 in this story. Despite that other robots have been capable of sentience, this seems to be a new interesting take that is intertwined with the plot.
Remember also the Kenobi quote about droids and thinking at the start of the book--there must be some significance to this is regards to THIS story line.
Also, it was mentioned in the book that I-5 has a positronic brain. Is this unique to I-5? I have never heard/read of any other Star Wars droids as having positronic brains.This is clearly a reference to Isaac Asimov: he came up with the notion for the robotic positronic brain (incidentally Data from Star Trek also had a positronic brain).
I wonder if this will play a role in the story as well.
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GrandAdmiralJello posted:
The sort of cameo with the droids was interesting, at least. Those guys get everywhere.
I found it annoying, personally. It's far earlier than they should have left Alderaanian service, and as astromech-protocol counterpart relationships aren't that unique, it's easy to assume it's a different pair of droids in question.
At any rate, no one is interested in the possibility that the Far Ranger might be the Falcon?
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Havac posted:
GrandAdmiralJello posted:
The sort of cameo with the droids was interesting, at least. Those guys get everywhere.
I found it annoying, personally. It's far earlier than they should have left Alderaanian service, and as astromech-protocol counterpart relationships aren't that unique, it's easy to assume it's a different pair of droids in question.
At any rate, no one is interested in the possibility that the Far Ranger might be the Falcon?
I thought it was said that they ran into them on the Tantive IV, in other words in Alderaanian service. I'll have to reread that part.
As far as the Far Ranger = Falcon connection, I was very interested in that part. I also suspect that this could very well be seen again in a little book coming out later this year.
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