cbagmjg posted:Uthar's a weak candidate for Sion. I think with a female Exile you almost feel sorry for him, like for instance, having a mother who cared more about seers than her own flesh and blood. And here's a theory a lot of people would hate, but here it goes...Haazen is not only a precursor to Lucien being Sion, but Zayne being Nihilus. Both are considered failed padawans, so there's a link. Zayne is considered a mediocre Jedi(at best), like the Exile. They both have the ability to inspire others, but since the Exile is female that rules Zayne out. They both were at Serroco, not to mention wherever Zayne goes, destuction follows whether he's to blame or not. And I could see a Vader/Obi-Wan connection(not exact) with Zayne and Lucien as Sith... "The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner-Now I am the Master!" But yes, I feel Haazen is very much a precursor to at least Lucien/Sion and very much a comic book villain, not a game villain. I feel the darkhorse team is smart enough to realize the Lord of Pain isn't half cyborg. That totally defeats the purpose of Sion being able to hold his body together, especially since we've seen him with an organic shoulder post KOTOR comics.
cs47 posted:cbagmjg posted:Uthar's a weak candidate for Sion. I think with a female Exile you almost feel sorry for him, like for instance, having a mother who cared more about seers than her own flesh and blood. And here's a theory a lot of people would hate, but here it goes...Haazen is not only a precursor to Lucien being Sion, but Zayne being Nihilus. Both are considered failed padawans, so there's a link. Zayne is considered a mediocre Jedi(at best), like the Exile. They both have the ability to inspire others, but since the Exile is female that rules Zayne out. They both were at Serroco, not to mention wherever Zayne goes, destuction follows whether he's to blame or not. And I could see a Vader/Obi-Wan connection(not exact) with Zayne and Lucien as Sith... "The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner-Now I am the Master!" But yes, I feel Haazen is very much a precursor to at least Lucien/Sion and very much a comic book villain, not a game villain. I feel the darkhorse team is smart enough to realize the Lord of Pain isn't half cyborg. That totally defeats the purpose of Sion being able to hold his body together, especially since we've seen him with an organic shoulder post KOTOR comics. No offence intended, but....what´s the point in Zayne becoming a game character,and even more a villain? If we´re going to guess who could become a Sith Lord, i think that all the signs point to another character, who has done the following: a) Evaded a Jedi Padawan that was trying to capture him numerous times. b) Is able to conceal his presence from the Jedi. c) Has plotted in the shadows regularly. d) Has gotten rid of a Jedi Master when the opportunity has aroused. e) Is already making something that looks suspiciously like an Holocron. Yes, you´ve guessed it: it´s Gryph. Now, more seriously, what´s the reason for all this?That there´s a character in the game that we don´t know right now who he is and someone wants to fill in the blanks? In my opinion, it would be a waste of time to take all that effort to just make him a villain in a game...that has been made some years prior. By the way, if the author had some ideas in mind regarding his origins and given that this was some years before Zayne was around...i don´t know, but it doesn´t seem to match very well. What i see is that some people seem to find difficult to accept that there´s a different story in the comics from that of the games. It won´t be all about the games and it doesn´t need to be like that. In KOTOR I we got Revan´s story, in KOTOR II we got the Exile´s story and in the comics we get Zayne´s story. There might be some common characters, but that´s logical given that they are set in the same time frame and in the same circles...Mandos, Jedis and Republic military.
cbagmjg posted:cs47 posted:cbagmjg posted:Uthar's a weak candidate for Sion. I think with a female Exile you almost feel sorry for him, like for instance, having a mother who cared more about seers than her own flesh and blood. And here's a theory a lot of people would hate, but here it goes...Haazen is not only a precursor to Lucien being Sion, but Zayne being Nihilus. Both are considered failed padawans, so there's a link. Zayne is considered a mediocre Jedi(at best), like the Exile. They both have the ability to inspire others, but since the Exile is female that rules Zayne out. They both were at Serroco, not to mention wherever Zayne goes, destuction follows whether he's to blame or not. And I could see a Vader/Obi-Wan connection(not exact) with Zayne and Lucien as Sith... "The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner-Now I am the Master!" But yes, I feel Haazen is very much a precursor to at least Lucien/Sion and very much a comic book villain, not a game villain. I feel the darkhorse team is smart enough to realize the Lord of Pain isn't half cyborg. That totally defeats the purpose of Sion being able to hold his body together, especially since we've seen him with an organic shoulder post KOTOR comics. No offence intended, but....what´s the point in Zayne becoming a game character,and even more a villain? If we´re going to guess who could become a Sith Lord, i think that all the signs point to another character, who has done the following: a) Evaded a Jedi Padawan that was trying to capture him numerous times. b) Is able to conceal his presence from the Jedi. c) Has plotted in the shadows regularly. d) Has gotten rid of a Jedi Master when the opportunity has aroused. e) Is already making something that looks suspiciously like an Holocron. Yes, you´ve guessed it: it´s Gryph. Now, more seriously, what´s the reason for all this?That there´s a character in the game that we don´t know right now who he is and someone wants to fill in the blanks? In my opinion, it would be a waste of time to take all that effort to just make him a villain in a game...that has been made some years prior. By the way, if the author had some ideas in mind regarding his origins and given that this was some years before Zayne was around...i don´t know, but it doesn´t seem to match very well. What i see is that some people seem to find difficult to accept that there´s a different story in the comics from that of the games. It won´t be all about the games and it doesn´t need to be like that. In KOTOR I we got Revan´s story, in KOTOR II we got the Exile´s story and in the comics we get Zayne´s story. There might be some common characters, but that´s logical given that they are set in the same time frame and in the same circles...Mandos, Jedis and Republic military. The point would be a tragic fall. What's a Jedi Zayne going to do within the next 10 years? Outside of the Exile, all other Jedi either go dark or die. Unless Zayne is suppose to be the Exile, which he has so much in common with(and it's a lot), what path is he going to take then? We already have one Exile, so Zayne walking the same path wouldn't be original. It would actually be a less interesting scenario than him becoming Nihilus or even him dying tragically. Given the way everybody feels about him(which is odd given I don't remember too many people being all that interested in him within the first year of the series), a tragic fall would be very powerful. As history shows us in Star Wars, the protagonist succumbing to the darkside happens a lot. And not too many would be as powerful as Zayne. And the fact that we know what happens to Nihilus shouldn't make his character less interesting. And you can't really argue that darkhorse would want an original protagonist, rather than one from the games. Because, in reality, they're two different characters. Is Alek any less interesting now we know who he becomes? If anything people respect him as a character now more then ever. It's not the destination, it's the journey. So when you say "What's the point". I say...that's exactly the point! You can say that you disagree or that you think it would be a bad idea, but you can't say that it can't happen, because it happens all the time in Star Wars. And what would be more powerful than Zayne, someone who does everything he can to keep people from dying(where have I heard that before?), falling to the darkside? And this series very, very much echoes the movies.
cs47 posted: No offence intended, but....what´s the point in Zayne becoming a game character,and even more a villain? If we´re going to guess who could become a Sith Lord, i think that all the signs point to another character, who has done the following: a) Evaded a Jedi Padawan that was trying to capture him numerous times. b) Is able to conceal his presence from the Jedi. c) Has plotted in the shadows regularly. d) Has gotten rid of a Jedi Master when the opportunity has aroused. e) Is already making something that looks suspiciously like an Holocron. Yes, you´ve guessed it: it´s Gryph.
Oissan posted:Appearance, behaviour and age of Haazen make it almost impossible for him to be Sion. Unless they decide to change everything about Sion, there is no way that Haazen can be him.
cs47 posted:(by the way, why so many people have such a great problem with the Exile being female)?
Jedi_Matt posted:If the guy on the cover ain't Sion then it's one hell of a red herring. Can't see his shoulder in the one image we have here but if you look at the images of Sion on the Wook, he's got a long black 'arm-glove' on his right arm, perfectly capable of covering it up. As far as other possibilities go, I'm looking for Lucien to kill Zayne at the end, starting his path to the ways of the Sith.
Vrook_Lamar posted: You seem to know an awful lot about Darth Sion, when in reality we know next to nothing. For all we know, Haazen could transfer his mind into a clone that isn't a cyborg before becoming Sion. I wouldn't want that and I'm pretty sure it won't happen but it's just as pointless as any other piece of speculation at this point.
Vrook_Lamar posted: For all we know, Haazen could transfer his mind into a clone that isn't a cyborg before becoming Sion.
cs47 posted:- He´s spoken openly against the Revanchists positions, which would make unlikely that they would accept him in their group under those circumstances.
TapeTrooper515 posted:And then you Malachor that opponent. I'm confused as to why some people don't want to see game characters in the comic. The Sith lords of the triumvirate were obviously alive at this point. I would be dissapointed if we didn't learn about their pasts, especially beacuse KOTOR II was very vauge about them. They were not always Sith, and I think it would be disappointing if Darth Sion turned out to be some Jedi named Joe Sion who gets suddenly introduced in issue 48 or somthing. It's probably not reliable to read to much into the subtleties of the art. You could argue that Malak can't be Alec because Alec's hair is groving back in Dazo's art. Mabey John Jackson Miller told Brian Ching to draw Haazen with one arm, but failed to tell him to keep the shoulder. Don't forget either, Haazen has access to a LOT of Sith artifacts. Who knows what those could do to him.
