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_Catherine_
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6/11 9:05am
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Well said. Bring back Cindel Towani! 
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rumsmuggler
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Charlemagne19 posted:
rikajaina posted:
Well, reason for lack of information is obvious... but... (Possible Invincible spoiler)
the nanovirus
Is it just me, or is this something that should be SERIOUSLY feared? Like, to the point of debate. And central plotlines. I get ahold of the DNA of a distant relative of some person I hate and with a few waves of my moff-powered arms there appears a penalty of death to whomever is related to that person if they so contact the nanovirus? Uhhh.... Can we just say this should change the face of assassination once and for all? I can name a few *cough* insane Tarkin-obsessed redhead *cough* Imperials that might want certain families dead.
The only problem is that it goes like this.
*Daala poisons Luke*
Luke: *Yawn* *cleanses body*
Daala: Dammit.
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Sinrebirth
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BobaMatt posted:
Set. Harth.
QF Damnable T.
Otherwise known as Shadowspawn. Or Blackhole. Or Atha Prime.
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rikajaina
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Excellence posted:
Why is your mention of nanotech in black ink?
We've seen it used against Organa Solo by Furgan, yes; later in Unseen Queen.
But it was different in Invincible, yes? In Mon Mothma's instance Ambassador Furgan had to splash her with the nanotech. It wasn't really designed for her and her alone. If he had splashed it on some other person they would have fallen ill. This Invincible nanovirus is ridiculous. It's selective and lasting. I dunno- I just think it was a terrible idea to introduce just to wreak a bit of havoc at the end of the novel. And even if Luke could cleanse himself- what about Han? Wedge? Jag? 
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BobaMatt posted:
Set. Harth.
A. Men. Or his love interest/nemesis Bel Serinus, for that matter. A dual-wielding, pale-skinned, near-human female Dark Jedi before it became all the rage.
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dizfactor
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A) The conspiracy to kill the clone Palpatine by destroying his clone bodies
B) The various interconnected networks of dark side adepts and Inquisitors and self-proclaimed Sith Lords and so on that existed in Palpatine's day (Lumiya, Jerec, Carnor Jax, Cronal, Shadowspawn. etc.)
C) The relationship between A and B
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Lord_Hydronium
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Ragez D'Asta. Owner of the largest privately-owned fleet in the galaxy, and provided the Empire with most of its cargo ships.
It seems to be a Crimson Empire II thing to introduce important elements that are forgotten afterwards.
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Lord_Hydronium
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Another CEII thing. Let's see if anyone still cares about this thread. 
The Battle of Ord Cantrell. Forget Endor; this is the real end of the Galactic Empire. After Palpatine is finally killed in 11 ABY, a group of conspirators who helped kill him in the first place, lead by former Royal Guard Carnor Jax, take over as the "Imperial Interim Ruling Council", the "interim" being until a new Emperor is instated. At least one of its members, Feena D'Asta, is there under the authority of the aforementioned Baron Ragez D'Asta, once part of the original Imperial Ruling Council. Jax and the Council try to hold together the Empire, but it's losing stature, especially after Jax is killed by fellow guard Kir Kanos.
Eventually, Xandel Carivus, head of the Council, dissolves it and declares himself Emperor. In the course of it he arrests Feena D'Asta (actually a clone, but no one knows this yet), causing Baron D'Asta to break from the Empire and bring his entire armada—remember, that's the largest privately-owned fleet in the galaxy—to bear against Ord Cantrell, where the Council ruled from and Carivus does now. The Imperial forces are scattered due to the New Republic, the threat from Kanos, and other internal problems, so D'Asta handily whoops the fleet at Ord Cantrell, then brings Kanos down to the surface, where Kanos kills Carivus. The rest of the former Council members are arrested by the New Republic.
And that's it for the Empire. The last continuous form of government is dissolved, the last man to call himself "Emperor" is dead, and all that's left are warlords. When Daala next reunites them in a couple of years, it's to form the Imperial Remnant.
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Battlehymn_Republic
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I kinda feel that Imperial succession is overrated, to be honest. It's like Odoacer's little stunt. Big deal; there are still ex-Romans in the Eastern Empire, not to mention the bastard regimes that rise up (Holy Roman, Rus the Third), just as plenty of Imperial revivalist regimes appear to threaten the New Republic.
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Sinrebirth
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6/26 2:24am
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The Battle of the Hast Shipyards
A little known battle, but the attack here put back the New Republic's efforts to defeat the Empire years. The loss of twenty corvettes, five frigates and seven MC80 cruisers, as well as thousands of personnel, and the slowing the re-introduction of the Emancipator and Liberator to the NRDF - explaining their absence from the Thrawn trilogy.
I do like the concept that the Battle of Ord Cantrell ended the first Empire. Such an ignoble end. A squabbling feud, with out a single NR capital ship in the vicinity. Typical.
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dizfactor
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6/26 2:33am
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Battlehymn_Republic posted:
I kinda feel that Imperial succession is overrated, to be honest. It's like Odoacer's little stunt. Big deal; there are still ex-Romans in the Eastern Empire, not to mention the bastard regimes that rise up (Holy Roman, Rus the Third), just as plenty of Imperial revivalist regimes appear to threaten the New Republic.
I'm with you on this. The fact that Xandel Carivus bore the title of Emperor doesn't make him more important, it makes the imperial title less important. The Empire was already broken long before it got to him.
Crimson Empire and CE II work best when you realize how pathetic and meaningless the events involved are to the galaxy as a whole. It's a series of idiots and wannabes taking turns sitting on the throne of a government that barely exists and dancing around in the ruins waiting for someone to shank them. Kir Kanos is, in some sense, the most pathetic of all, fighting a meaningless battle to avenge a long-dead Emperor no one actually gives a **** about anymore.
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I disagree. Carnor Jax is a Sith apprentice. He's not a buffoon. The Empire still rules a third of the galaxy at this point. It just needs to get it's act together. I disagree that it reads better where the characters are fighting for something meaningless.
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Sinrebirth posted:
I disagree. Carnor Jax is a Sith apprentice.
Kinda sorta, which kind of illustrates the point. He's the apprentice of Lumiya, who used to be the apprentice of Vader, who used to be the apprentice of Sidious. He's the half-assed excuse for an apprentice of another half-assed excuse for an apprentice of the long-dead apprentice of the actual master. His actual connection to the Sith tradition is tenuous at best. He kind of gets to play untitled pseudo-Emperor for a minute and a half before a PO'd ex-guardsman with a grudge kills him in the empty arena from their glorious past. He's basically a joke, a wannabe with delusions of grandeur.
Sinrebirth posted:
The Empire still rules a third of the galaxy at this point.
I don't believe that's true. They ruled about a quarter of the galaxy pre-Thrawn, then Thrawn and the reborn Palpatine made gains, but I was under the impression those gains collapsed in the wake of the Emperor's final death and they ended up with less territory than they had had pre-Thrawn.
Sinrebirth posted:
It just needs to get it's act together.
But it's so far from being able to do that it's almost funny.
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Sinrebirth
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dizfactor posted:
Kinda sorta, which kind of illustrates the point. He's the apprentice of Lumiya, who used to be the apprentice of Vader, who used to be the apprentice of Sidious. He's the half-assed excuse for an apprentice of another half-assed excuse for an apprentice of the long-dead apprentice of the actual master. His actual connection to the Sith tradition is tenuous at best. He kind of gets to play untitled pseudo-Emperor for a minute and a half before a PO'd ex-guardsman with a grudge kills him in the empty arena from their glorious past. He's basically a joke, a wannabe with delusions of grandeur.
Arguably, yes. But you could say the same of half of our villains. To be fair, he sounds sorta like a Gary Stu when you say it that way.
I'm an ex-Royal Guardsman, no, an ex-Sovereign Protector which is a cooler version of a Royal Guardsman, and I'm a Sith apprentice and I'm Emperor! There's nothing cooler!
dizfactor posted:
I don't believe that's true. They ruled about a quarter of the galaxy pre-Thrawn, then Thrawn and the reborn Palpatine made gains, but I was under the impression those gains collapsed in the wake of the Emperor's final death and they ended up with less territory than they had had pre-Thrawn.
Most of those gains. The Cracken's Threat Dossier tells us that the Empire held onto a third of the galaxy by 11 ABY, and was down to a quarter by 16 ABY. Specifically, Thrawn's gains collapsed after his death in a week, and the reborn Emperor's gains mostly collapsed, seemingly.
The cloned Emperor conquered half of the galaxy before Operation Shadow Hand even occurred, per the Dark Empire Sourcebook, seemingly. The New Republic was mostly crippled by the end of the Empire's End, after all.
disfactor posted:
But it's so far from being able to do that it's almost funny.
True, considering the best Emperor they come up with is Cavirus.
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Sinrebirth posted:
I'm an ex-Royal Guardsman, no, an ex-Sovereign Protector which is a cooler version of a Royal Guardsman, and I'm a Sith apprentice and I'm Emperor! There's nothing cooler!
Give that man a black lightsaber!
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