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Froggy22651
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dizfactor posted:
Kinda sorta, which kind of illustrates the point. He's the apprentice of Lumiya, who used to be the apprentice of Vader, who used to be the apprentice of Sidious. He's the half-assed excuse for an apprentice of another half-assed excuse for an apprentice of the long-dead apprentice of the actual master. His actual connection to the Sith tradition is tenuous at best. He kind of gets to play untitled pseudo-Emperor for a minute and a half before a PO'd ex-guardsman with a grudge kills him in the empty arena from their glorious past. He's basically a joke, a wannabe with delusions of grandeur.
At least he's a wannabe with a sense of style. But yeah, Carnor Jax's deluded view of himself is funny. The guy can pull off a few basic telekinetic tricks, and he thinks he's on his way to being as powerful as Vader.
He was in firm control of the Empire, which granted wasn't as mighty as it once was, but it was still a significant military force in the Galaxy. So, what does he do? Does he secure the Empire and expand its territory? No, he dedicates all his time hunting down one disgruntled guardsman that wouldn't really pose a significant threat to him unless he put himself in said guardsman's path. Which he does. And when he encounters Kir Kanos...he puts up a rather miserable fight. It only goes on as long as it does because Kanos wanted to humiliate him.
Then again, we're talking about a man who shot down a TIE fighter with a single shot from a hand blaster. I'm not sure if it's because Jax is that bad or Kanos is that good.
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Jedi_Master_Luc
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Either i'm not much of a Star Wars fan (which i'm not yet ready to admit) or you all are just above and beyond. I read through the pages and found a LOT of people i never heard of. It started making me feel like i've let SW down when i realized why i haven't heard of these people. A lot of them (mainly from the first page) are from young reader novels, marvel SW (which, let's face it, if you didn't get them as they were being released, you're lost), Insider or other magazine short stories and or RPG supplements.
It's no wonder i didn't hear of them!
Until the BFC, i didn't even know there WAS an EU. And by that time, i was reading books FAR ahead of my age level. that being the case, the young reader novels seemed to me like a waste of time. not calling them bad, i've never read one, just not my bag. I never wanted to read about children...still don't.
I would LOVE to have an issue of everything Marvel put out, but the likliness of that is akin with winning the lottery. Unless DH comes up with a Marvel SW Omnibus series, it looks like i'll never know what happened. Some of the Marvel books are going to be collected in the "Luke Skywalker: Last Hope for the Galaxy" (or whatever it's called) but for a hundred bucks, DH can keep it. Of the few issues i have been able to scan through, i've been largely disappointed. Cheesy stories, art, diologue and situations make difficult at best for me to foster any interest.
The SW magazines have never given me enough to subscribe to them. Lots of ads and behind the scenes and interviews i wasn't interested in. I prefer to keep my SW in-universe, i'm not perticularly interested in what a boom-man on the set of ESB has to say about how he shook harrison ford's hand, or reading ANOTHER interview with the CGI guys. Besides, anymore and most magazines (and even comics) are too full of ads to even WANT to pick up. DH comics are of course the exception.
And finally the RPG sourcebooks and supplements. I didnt play D&D until i was almost 20! So it was a while after even that that i relized there was a SW RPG. I'm 23 now and none of my friends have the mental capacity to play for more than an hour at a time. Booze and weed will do that i guess. I know they're canon, but i'm not going to buy a RPG sourcebook for a story. I'd buy it for the game-related material, but i always made up my own adventures. I have been so into SW for so many years that i didn't NEED to have someone lay out the story for me. The only thing that ever really piqued my interest (and continues to even since i found out that it was written in a sourcebook) was Vongerella. That's a story i would LOVE to see expanded upon. That means i would have to suffer my way through yet ANOTHER blasted Kyle Katarn story, but to hear more about Vongerella, i'd almost be willing to do it. Aside from that, the stories in those books are by and large ignored.
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Ulicus
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Jedi_Master_Luc posted:
Unless DH comes up with a Marvel SW Omnibus series, it looks like i'll never know what happened.
They released them all in trade paperback form back in 02/03.
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Lord_Hydronium
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dizfactor posted:
I'm with you on this. The fact that Xandel Carivus bore the title of Emperor doesn't make him more important, it makes the imperial title less important. The Empire was already broken long before it got to him.
Crimson Empire and CE II work best when you realize how pathetic and meaningless the events involved are to the galaxy as a whole. It's a series of idiots and wannabes taking turns sitting on the throne of a government that barely exists and dancing around in the ruins waiting for someone to shank them. Kir Kanos is, in some sense, the most pathetic of all, fighting a meaningless battle to avenge a long-dead Emperor no one actually gives a **** about anymore.
I don't disagree with you on anything there. The NEC even says that Jax was basically just trying to hold a dying Empire together, and his death certainly didn't help things there. The IIRC's even worse off; after being hastily scrabbled together in the wake of Palpatine's death, they spend more of their time killing each other and getting annoyed at who's an alien, letting their leftover power fall apart.
But I don't think that diminishes the symbolic importance of Ord Cantrell. As much as the Empire was already dying, Ord Cantrell is the final push off the edge. Carivus was a yutz whose title of Emperor was as legitimate as Nom Anor's allegiance with him, but after he dies no one takes it up until the Fel Dynasty. I don't think that's anything to sneeze at; in the wake of Endor, calling yourself Emperor seemed as mandatory a step towards asserting some measure of control as wearing a snappy uniform and having stormtroopers. Besides the actual Emperor Pestage, in the wake of Palpatine's first death we have Trioculus, Kadann, and Shadowspawn all claiming the title for themselves, and Isard at least once referred to as "Empress". And yet after Carivus, the title is forgotten; it no longer has any power.
Furthermore, there's a line of government, though tenuous at times, from Endor to Ord Cantrell. Pestage is Interim-Emperor until he's deposed, and power passes through the Tribunal and Isard until the Imperial Ruling Council takes it back. After Palpatine comes back, having technically still been Emperor in the meantime, he's once again the public leader, and upon his death, the Imperial Interim Ruling Council is formed, with Baron D'Asta being the link between it and the old Ruling Council (like I said, tenuous). But after Ord Cantrell, nothing; the last links to the old ruling bodies are shattered. All further attempts at reforming Imperial bodies (until the Fels) involve the warlords—military men—and the Moffs—local governors.
So that's why I'd argue that despite the Empire's dire state after Palpatine's final death, Ord Cantrell is still significant. It was an independent noble attacking a weak pawn of a man with an inflated title, but by cutting away those last links and breaking that title, it signifies the end of Palpatine's Empire.
Sinrebirth posted:
I do like the concept that the Battle of Ord Cantrell ended the first Empire. Such an ignoble end. A squabbling feud, with out a single NR capital ship in the vicinity. Typical.
This too. The last fall of the Empire was almost entirely an internal matter; the NEC remarks that the collapse in the wake of Palpatine's final death was even faster than that of his first.
In regards to territorial possessions, the NEC says that "Carnor Jax and the Interim Council held the Empire proper, a narrow band stretching from the Outer Rim to the Colonies." Though I wouldn't quite downplay the events to the extent that diz does, based on my reasoning above, it was pretty much on the spiraling road to nowhere before Ord Cantrell sealed the deal.
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Don't think anyone's said him yet - Pernicar
supposedly a great and wise jedi master that both Hoth and Farfalla looked to for guidance but got about 4 word bubbles in J vs S and a little bit more playing time in PoD
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SuperWatto
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Anyone remember the time Luke Skywalker prevented the destruction of the universe?
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SuperWatto posted:
Anyone remember the time Luke Skywalker prevented the destruction of the universe?
Did he do it to a Queen soundtrack? 
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Ulicus posted:
SuperWatto posted:
Anyone remember the time Luke Skywalker prevented the destruction of the universe?
Did he do it to a Queen soundtrack?
Of course not. He did it to Jefferson Starship. 
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Seriously, he did... Marvel #60: "Still active after all these years". On a planet called Shawken.
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Yeah, given the debacle of excess post-ROTJ superweapons, I think LFL would want to Holiday Special that sort of story idea.
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SuperWatto posted:
Seriously, he did... Marvel #60: "Still active after all these years". On a planet called Shawken.
Oh, you mean when *Kiro* saved the universe. Allegedly saved it, anyway, since I strongly suspect if any in-universe physicist found out about the device and its supposed method of operation, they'd laugh their posteriors off.
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Ris_jSarek posted:
Oh, you mean when *Kiro* saved the universe. Allegedly saved it, anyway, since I strongly suspect if any in-universe physicist found out about the device and its supposed method of operation, they'd laugh their posteriors off.
Well, we know someone did 
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SuperWatto posted:
Seriously, he did... Marvel #60: "Still active after all these years". On a planet called Shawken.
Surely you mean, #87?
Time for some Ewok-Marvel love.
Kiro (Wook link)
Already sort of mentioned. The first official apprentice of Luke Skywalker, albeit for an incredibly short time. We're talking an hours long apprenticeship. He is the reason Skywalker wasn't killed by Lumiya following his first duel with the Dark Lady. He somehow survived an assault by Lumiya, crawled back to Skywalker to warn him, and when Luke lost, he rescued the Jedi, helped him build a new lightsaber and was the only other witness of Skywalker defeating Lumiya. Also, he saved the planet Shawken (a kriffing Core World), if not the complete galaxy (doubtful) from complete destruction by destroying the Shawken Device. This guy (along with Dev Sibwarra)is probably the reason Skywalker took so long to start training new Jedi. Unfortunately, there is jack squat about the guy following Marvel. I mean, would it have hurt to mention that he found Dani and became a Jedi later in the Essential Guide to the Force? Nope, one mention of his presence during Skywalker's fight with Lumiya and that's it.
Flint (Wook link)
Lumiya's first apprentice, but was also temporarily Vader's as well. The guy was so important that, Anakin Skywalker (as Sebastian Shaw) visited Luke in a dream to request that Luke go to Belderone Sector (where Flint had declared himself the Dark Lord of Belderone) and redeem the man. Basically the last time Anakin would appear to his son IIRC. Also, Flint is the first person to engage Luke in a lightsaber battle following his duel with Vader and even lived to tell about it. Also worth mentioning that he pseudo-defeated Skywalker in a lightsaber duel (okay, a Stormtrooper shot Skywalker in the arm to stop the fight). Lastly, Lumiya took it upon herself to execute the little traitor when he turned against the Empire.
Sunstar (Wook link)
An Ewok artifact that can kriffing tear a hole in space. Its powers were so great that it could apparently be used to concentrate the Force into some sort of superlaser that could shoot down Star Destroyers. It had every Dark Jedi on Endor whipped up into some sort of frenzy, believing that if they possessed it, they'd be able to destroy planets. It's the handheld Death Star. Also, it most likely drove Logray, the Ewok medicine man, totally insane, as his grandfatherly attitude morphed into a desire to sacrifice Humans and eat them. On top of that...
Wizards of the Night Spirit (Wook link)
This species apparently ruled Endor a long time ago before they were cast off of Endor by the Ewoks with the use of the Sunstar. They can fly through space, and have some sort of connection with the "dark half" of the Sunstar, the Shadowstone. This species and the Sunstar are just begging to be explored, but this is an Ewoks entity, so no doubt the Sunstar and the Wizards are resigned to EU Limbo permanently.
Force Demon (Wook link)
Some sort of energy based species that rule the dark regions of space? Also, they apparently have the power to be killing machines if need be. One of these guys almost killed Han Solo and Chewie. This is another of these super-powered races, like the Duionogwin, except that unlike the Space Dragons, they don't get mentioned in the NEC. Which is probably a good thing, because no doubt they'd wipe the floor with other Unknown Regions species like the Vagaari and the Chiss.
Den Siva (Wook link)
Dangit, I want an addendum to this guy's story. A Nagai commander, he was important enough to be assigned directly to Lumiya, and helped her torture and execute around 20 Alliance operatives before her duel with Luke. Also, he helped arrange the truce between the Alliance and the Nagai in route to a victory over the new Tof threat. Why oh why, wasn't this guy tried for like war crimes or something? Or was he? Maybe he became a warlord...and decided to tattoo his face so other's wouldn't recognize him... Okay, that's unlikely, but we need more information about what happened to the key Nagai operatives following the end of Marvel.
Blackart (Wook link)
So, let me get this straight, an alien commander of an Imperial held world, who is also a cyborg? I thought Imperials were xenophobic and anti-borg? Also, this guy was apparently placed in command, he didn't rise up through the ranks as far as we know, and he's a bloodthirsty criminal who went toe-to-toe with Luke with just his fists as weapons. Who was this guy? Why was he made "King of Solay"? Why was Luke sent by himself to help the Solay Rebels depose this guy? I don't care if this is the stupidest Marvel comic ever published, explain this guy's importance to me.
Order of the Terrible Glare (Wook link)
The Order of the Terrible Glare was a Dark Jedi organization that fought a war with the Jedi a long time ago. The Jedi apparently destroyed the organization's homeworld of Garn in the climactic battle. The event was well known enough that Obi-Wan Kenobi actually bothered to personally tell Luke Skywalker about the event in the short time that he was with him. For such an important group, we've heard jack squat about them, and yet they had the technology to trap Jedi's souls inside crystal balls and preserve people's memories in pyramid computers. You would have thought that during the restructuring/reclarifying of the ancient Jedi schisms that they might have brought these guy's up. Some sort of connection with the Terrible Glare that devastated Dweem would be easy enough. Heck, they're surely more interesting than what happened during the Third Great Schism.
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Cull_Tremayne posted:
Some sort of connection with the Terrible Glare that devastated Dweem would be easy enough. Heck, they're surely more interesting than what happened during the Third Great Schism.
What's the source on that anyway? It's not in The Monsters of Dweem...
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Order of the Terrible Glare just sounds funny, Sithspawn I love marvel.
NO! Don't make him use the terrible glare!
I'm all for Kiro though, and Dani. What happened to leia's zeltron groupies though?
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