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Whizkid
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6/27 10:07pm
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Just got this in the mail! Can't wait to finally read the whole thing.
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Lord_Riven
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RE: Legacy: Claws of the Dragon tpb
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I loved Claws of the Dragon.
Brilliant writing John. Insightful and deep, especially Hosk. (even though I was sad when he...)
And I love the way that the anticipation that you build with the Sith Order standing right next to the precipice about to overbalance and fall...it makes me giddy with anticipation.
And Xoxaan was a great add too. And the whole competing views of what it means to be a Sith. Which one is the true order?
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Havac
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6/28 7:40pm
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Manisphere posted:
One thing I will note while picking up DT #12 today, My local comic-book-guy tells me that to him (his opinion. Not mine) DH is screwing up as he's been trying to get Shards and that was on backorder and now CotD which he says is also backed up right now. He's often in a snarky mood though.
My comic guy told me today when I picked up COTD that Shards appears to be between printings.
Anyway, I got it today, and it was excellent. I really enjoyed Jan's art, as always, and the mood was just fantastic. The intro with Wyyrlok and the bit with Cade blowing away the thug just set a great atmosphere for this story of the Sith and of Cade within their darkness. While I love the concept of Cade, I just don't feel that strong affection for the character that I do for, say, Roan or Shado, but I really liked Cade in COTD. He was charismatic and yet still a total contrarian-for-the-sake-thereof jackass. Then again, while I do enjoy the main characters, it's the secondary ones that I really develop an affection for in general, and that may be a contributing factor.
While Cade and Krayt dominated the story, I enjoyed seeing the moffs and Cade's underworld crew also playing into the story, and I very much look forward to more of the Skulls. There's just so much potential packed in here and such a cast of characters that it's hard to comprehend how much John manages to fit in to the story without having it appear at all overcrowded.
I'd have liked to have gotten a little deeper into Cade's head during his Sithdom, but I suppose it keeps some of the mystery to stay out of it. Overall, a tremendous story, though not a match for Broken. Still, what is?
Also, my man-love for Kol has never been stronger than when seeing that hologram of young Kol. What a total badass. I really can't wait to see more of this guy.
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Manisphere
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Havac posted:
Overall, a tremendous story, though not a match for Broken. Still, what is?
I'll have to read Broken again cause I think it's arguable that they're equal. The thing that gives me pause is the getting more into Cade's head thing and a lack of IKs. (IK fetishism   )
Seriously, the trade is so loaded with story that I'm not sure Cade's thought process needed to be seen. The thing I like about Cade is that of all Skywalkers or Jedi in general, he holds back his opinion the least. To a fault actually but I like it about the guy. I think that Cade has the least pretense of any Jedi I've seen. And maybe that's why he's not officially a Jedi. Han Solo or Wedge are the only other guys I can think of that are straight shooters of Cade's order.
Maybe it's the thrill of the first arc. I'm still to love a KotOR arc as I did Commencement.
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Havac
Title: Lit Mod of War
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Broken is just bigger in scope. It's the epic introduction. It has everything COTD has plus Fel and the IKs, much more of the Jedi, and just more moments of pure stand-up-and-cheer. I love Claws, but it just doesn't have as much HOLY PANTS AWESOME!!!!!!! to it. But like I said, anything is hard-put to match Broken.
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Jarren_Lee-Saber
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6/29 6:35am
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Claws of The Dragon was great. You need it with the rest of the story of course. But it was cool to see that Cade still manages to kick the dark side in the arse!
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DragonMaster_85
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Pretty cool. Loved Krayt's origin, even if I knew his ID a while ago.
Likes:
- As mentioned, Krayt's origin was great! It also provides some cool nuances(sp?) to LotF as well.
- More Nyna/Morrigan. It was great to get some more development on the character. And I liked how she revealed herself to Cade.
- Syn and Blue. Two of the best characters in the title.
- More Jedi/Sith, less military/politics.
- Cade has Kol's saber. Cool!
Dislikes:
- The Moffs. Veed & Calixte excluded, they suck.
- Skull Squad. Seemed out of place.
- The fact that a lot seemed recycled. (Krayt goading Cade IMO just seemed like a rip of Luke & Palps)
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JaySkywalker01
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7/1 9:44am
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jfostrander01 posted:
Obie-2-Kenobi posted:
This is probably off the subject a bit, but oh well. I've been re-reading the first two Legacy TPBs in order to smoothly transition into Claws of the Dragon. But I have a question. The imperial knights that gaurd Fel, are they Jedi? Are thay as strong in the force as the Jedi? Did they somewhere along the line come out with a force weilding human cooky cutter machine to produce these guys? Are they kind of a grey area in the force kind of like those dudes in I,Jedi that protected Tavira?
They're not Jedi. They believe they serve the Force as embodied by the Emperor since the Emperor and the Empire represents Order and that best serves the Force, in their view.No cookie cutters but they mostly wear a uniform to signify that Order except when going undercover -- which would be sort of silly. Some IK obviously believe they are BETTER than the Jedi. Gray? Matter of opinion and debate which I certainly not intending to squelch.<g>
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This idea of serving the Force through the government really isn't new...it's the view that Mace Windu supported dogmatically and Luke Skywalker seems to reflect it in DNT when he states the Jedi can't serve the Force in vacuum; they need the Republic/GA. It's my personal belief that following the lightside contains an inherent inclination to favor an organized government; as it's the best chance for order/democracy etc. Krayt came to believe that democracy was naturally chaotic, and turned to his theocracy of the One Sith.
I imagine the IKs are based on that philosophy and took it just a bit farther...maybe they consider Mace Windu as a spiritual founder for their order. I'm sure he would find some things in common with them, although I doubt he would put aside his fly purple lightsaber for a generic silver IK one....
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Obie-2-Kenobi
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! My copy of COTD FINALLY arrived at my doorstep yesterday. I'm about halfway through and it is pretty decent so far. Have'nt come across any of those IK yet. Although this volume seems to be dealing more with Cade's darkside stuff. I'm diggin the whole she-hutt hittin on Cade in the bar. Funny, if you look she's even wearing a tube top. Kind of reminds of that cartoon Squidbillies for some reason.
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TwiLekJedi
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Damn thing finally arrived. Stupid country 
Anyway, I decided that CotD would decide whether or not I actually do like Legacy and... I'm undecided.
I was pretty disappointed in Broken - it really didn't give me any idea whatsoever what all the fuss here about Legacy is about.
Strangely enough, I totally loved Shards. Great stories, higly interesting and felt much more worthwile than "Horny Guy = Emperor, Emo Guy = Skywalker, do the math". Shards was great... until Cade showed up. He's really their new Vos, in regards to all the secondary players being way more awesome - I cheered every time Tholme, Bulq, Vinnie (!), K'kruhk, Fel, the IKs, Nihl, Wyyrlok, Vao, etc. appeared. I spat when Vos did, I shrug when Cade does.
Which is why CotD is a two-edged sword for me and not helping much in cementing my opinion. Morrigan seemed random in Shards but is one of their best ideas by now. For the longest time, spoiled of it before reading it, I wondered why the hell I care that Krayt is Hett. I still don't know, but I was gladly distracted by one of the more interesting Turning-Sith stories in SW. It just happened to be Hett it happened to. And it's actually less that he turned Sith ("stumbled upon a Holocron" isn't terribly exciting but gets the job done), but that he turned into a Vong-growth and all that.
On the other hand, Cade shows up a lot. What's up with that 
oh, and a question... didn't Vergere learn that Little Anakin turned into big bad Darth Vader only from our heroes in the NJO, ie long after her fun with Hett? I'm pretty sure I remember her being shocked about it when she did.
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Obie-2-Kenobi
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the end of COtD it kind of implies that Corde and Calixte are the same person. Is this right or am I assuming a plot twist where there is none?
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You aren't wrong at all - it's been confirmed as being the case that Morrigan and Nyna are one and the same.
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Obie-2-Kenobi
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I see, as one whom waits until the TPB's come out, I am not as current.
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Vrook_Lamar
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I also just got my copy of this yesturday.
I found it a bit laughable how easy Cade beats Krayt's hands.
If Cade has already gained the ability to easily defeat the two second most powerful Sith I don't know why he doesn't just walk into the Sith Temple and massacre them all.
Krayt's fall to the dark side seems pretty contrived as well but that may be because Talon's describing it rather than the man himself.
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Nobody145
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TwiLekJedi posted:
oh, and a question... didn't Vergere learn that Little Anakin turned into big bad Darth Vader only from our heroes in the NJO, ie long after her fun with Hett? I'm pretty sure I remember her being shocked about it when she did.
Of course, at the time in the NJO book when Vergere seemed shocked that little Anakin turned into evil Darth Vader, most of us were working on the theory that while Vergere's Force philosophy was very... unorthodox and radical, we all thought she wasn't evil, that she was one of the heroes. She helped heal Mara after all, and then she crashed an A-wing (I think) into a small Vong army to save Jacen. Now, according to the current canon, everything she did was to advance her plans of helping the evil Sith to arise again. Or the short answer, as this is Vergere, everything she says is a lie.  So, when she acted shocked about Anakin becoming Vader, that was just another deception for Jacen's sake (or whoever she was talking to), everything she did was a deception, just to further her plans of the Sith ruling the galaxy. Of course, Vergere being a Sith originated with Lumiya, and we all know how she always tells the truth, at least according to Jacen (  ), but so far, Krayt's backstory follows that story. Though there's still some room to retcon that retcon if they want, as Krayt might not be an accurate source either, or Vergere was deceiving Hett as well. Though I've heard that Sith was one of Vergere's languages according to RPG stats or something like that, so maybe it was always planned, but it just makes a lot of the NJO seem worse than I remember it, to hear that one of the pivotal characters of the NJO was just an evil plotting Sith. Though that follows the trend of how they wasted Jacen's character too, turning the triumphant hero of the NJO series into a pathetic Sith Lord.
So no, its not a mistake or retcon on the part of the Legacy comic's part (I think), they were just going with Vergere's current backstory, as established according to the Legacy of the Force novel series (a completetly different and far inferior storyline though, just to mention). Its not really a clean retcon, but LotF was mostly messy anyway.
And while Cade can handle the Hands, there are probably a couple thousand Imperial troops Krayt could call on too, and that might be harder for Cade to handle, and if Cade did try to take them on, he'd probably fall to the darkside from desperation, having to use all that power, and he'd probably go crazy, and even as... indifferent as Cade seems to the galaxy's problems, he doesn't want to cause himself to go crazy.
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