Vrook_Lamar posted:

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I also just got my copy of this yesturday.

I found it a bit laughable how easy Cade beats Krayt's hands.

If Cade has already gained the ability to easily defeat the two second most powerful Sith I don't know why he doesn't just walk into the Sith Temple and massacre them all.

Krayt's fall to the dark side seems pretty contrived as well but that may be because Talon's describing it rather than the man himself.

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TwiLekJedi posted:

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Even if Vergere was a Sith, why act surprised when she learns of Lil' Ani's fate? Why can't her mask break once when a former Old Republic Jedi learns that the Chosen One became the Face of Evil? It'd be slightly more interesting than the horribly bland idea that her every word and action throughout the whole entire NJO were Sith machinations. (Which, if you ask me, is not and will never be true, anyway )

And even if all that were true... How the hell did she learn that? How many other people visited her during her decades-long Vong quasi-captivity? First there are hundreds of Jedi left when Yoda told Luke he was the only one, soon half the galaxy will have known of the Yuuzhan Vong?

Personally, I say Cade misheard Krayt's narration. The part about Anakin=Vader was Krayt's comment, but with the Embrace's pain he still heard it as part of Vergere's reported dialogue.

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Nobody145 posted:

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So no, its not a mistake or retcon on the part of the Legacy comic's part (I think), they were just going with Vergere's current backstory, as established according to the Legacy of the Force novel series (a completetly different and far inferior storyline though, just to mention). Its not really a clean retcon, but LotF was mostly messy anyway.

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Nobody145 posted:

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And while Cade can handle the Hands, there are probably a couple thousand Imperial troops Krayt could call on too, and that might be harder for Cade to handle, and if Cade did try to take them on, he'd probably fall to the darkside from desperation, having to use all that power, and he'd probably go crazy, and even as... indifferent as Cade seems to the galaxy's problems, he doesn't want to cause himself to go crazy.

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Manisphere posted:

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It made me wonder where Cade really has to go as a Jedi. He's a juggernaut already. It seemed to me when finishing the arc for the first time that all Cade has to do is just accept the mantle of Jedihood, end Krayt and his own arc would be complete.

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Vrook_Lamar posted:

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Nobody145 posted:

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So no, its not a mistake or retcon on the part of the Legacy comic's part (I think), they were just going with Vergere's current backstory, as established according to the Legacy of the Force novel series (a completetly different and far inferior storyline though, just to mention). Its not really a clean retcon, but LotF was mostly messy anyway.

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In character sources don't have to be 100% accurate, otherwise Darth Vadar would have killed papa Skywalker.

Nobody145 posted:

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And while Cade can handle the Hands, there are probably a couple thousand Imperial troops Krayt could call on too, and that might be harder for Cade to handle, and if Cade did try to take them on, he'd probably fall to the darkside from desperation, having to use all that power, and he'd probably go crazy, and even as... indifferent as Cade seems to the galaxy's problems, he doesn't want to cause himself to go crazy.

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One of the reasons why Krayt is a poor Sith compared to Palpatine is his lack of a Vadar like second in command. Although this makes sense since one of the whole points of Krayt is that he's done away with the Rule of Two, Palpatine always had the benefit of "if he's worse than Darth Vadar, he must be the most evil thing in existance". Darth Krayt just has "well, he's better than Bikini Babe and 80s Rocker Dude".

Cade has also gotten off pretty easily from all the dark side power he's using. It's almost like Ostrander is treating the Dark Side like heavy drinking, you get a sulphur eyed hangover but you'll be fine in two days.

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Vrook_Lamar posted:

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Where's the scene where he gets utterly owned and humiliated? What kind of Skywalker is he without being reduced to the equivilant of a one-handed crying whelp before he's ready to be a Sith-ass kicking Jedi Knight?

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Manisphere posted:

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I agree, he has seemed to have gotten off easy with his Dark Side use but to be fair as we see Cade later on with Rav, he's still quite connected to the Dark Side.

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Manisphere posted:

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The thing is that I don't really see this as the Cade Skywalker and Darth Krayt show as much as I did Luke and Vader.

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Manisphere posted:

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There is so much going on in Legacy. We have Roan Fel, Marasiah, Veed, the IK's, The Moffs, Stazi, the rest of the Jedi, hundreds of Sith and the Vong. Though Cade is our central character, all can't be hinging on Cade's decisions or development.

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Manisphere posted:

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I'm not even sure if we're supposed to like Cade and I don't think it matters.

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Manisphere posted:

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He's really not going to conform to what we think a Skywalker is or was. It's clear that despite ferocious power, he's not Luke, Anakin Skywalker, Anakin Solo, Jacen or Ben. He's never going to be whelping while clutching a stump.

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Manisphere posted:

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I just don't see Cade whelping or crying in any regard.

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Vrook_Lamar posted:

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Since I'm trade waiting (and I interpreted the author's opening post as asking about the opinions of such people) I have no idea how the dark side is going to be handled later on. But if you compare Claws of the Dragon to Dark Empire, or even TotJ Dark Lords of the Sith, (and you cannot escape the similarities) Cade basically pulls himself out by himself a lot better than Ulic or Luke ever managed. In fact, both Cade and Ulic end up sleeping with a Sith but that makes sense considering that Cade is likely more used to the idea of casual sex than Ulic.

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Vrook_Lamar posted:

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While you're very much correct about Legacy as a series, Claws of the Dragon as a trade paper back was entirely "the Cade Skywalker and Darth Krayt show". You'd also be entirely correct if you applied that comment to Shards, but that involved several issues having their order changed in order to minimise Cade (and off the top of my head I can't remember Krayt appearing at all outside of the flashbacks).

You're also over simplifying the original trillogy a bit, or at least ignoring the scenes that had no Jedi involvement but were key to the plot.

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Vrook_Lamar posted:

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I can't remember any readers saying that they liked Cade. I remember some asking to have his babies but that isn't the same thing. While whether or not we like Cade may very well not matter to the author's vision it can certainly matter to our enjoyment of the story.

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Vrook_Lamar posted:

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I don't literally want Cade to lose an arm or repeat any scene from the movies. What Cade needs is a scene that has the same effect. Cade seeing his father killed has effectively the same role and situation as Luke seeing Obi Wan die but it was rehashed with some skill and I haven't seen anyone point it out yet.

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Manisphere posted:

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I just don't see Cade whelping or crying in any regard.

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Vrook_Lamar posted:

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Perhaps you should reread Wolf Sazen's dialogue in Ghosts. So far it's been the main clue that Ostrander actually knows what he's doing with Cade's chacter. Or reread when he ressurects Wolf Sazen in Broken. Cade is in many ways more of a temper tantrum prone brat than Luke was. The only differance is that Cade got a 7 year flash forward.

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Whizkid posted:

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Still can't comprehend the awesomeness 5 hours later!

The only downside is I'm more confused than ever about Vergere.

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