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MistrX
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Jun '06
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6/24 4:42pm
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RE: Fan-frigging-tastic
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I don't understand why Lumiya couldn't reach full Sithhood herself. It's happened in the past, hasn't it? Why bring Verger in, too? It seems unnecessary.
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Dawud786
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6/24 5:02pm
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Oddly, I'm liking this whole "Jacen Skywalker" thing... The man that came back from the Yuuzhan Vong truly wasn't Jacen Solo... Vong test tube baby that spliced the genes of Luke Skywalker with Jacen Solo, thus Jacen Skywalker. Explains why the kid could even be a shadow of a match for his "uncle."
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darth_Boba
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6/24 5:18pm
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Pish. Jacen Skywalker is just Mara's other kid, named after his uncle.
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Grey1
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6/25 2:15am
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Ulicus posted:
HedecGa posted:
And, who is Jacen Skywalker's mother? Hm...the conspiracies abound.
Lumiya, by Luke. Jacen Skywalker wasn't born genetically or even physically identical to Jacen Solo... but he was shaped that way. 
It's like that kid that was made to look like Anakin Solo, isn't it? What happened to that bugger, by the way?
Still, we should throw a clone of Leia in, just for the fun of it. So - Leeia, Leiia or Leiaa?
SuperWatto posted:
With the decidedly mucky business that is LotF, I wonder why y'all still care.
I know that there were people who were very vocal about using the small cracks in canon to create their own point of view, and that's fine - up to a point. Because even if it's not written (= set in stone for canon purists), it's still there. You still know that this is what they wanted.
LOTF never ever promised a twist to the exposition Lumiya gave in the first book. We wanted it so that the story would become more interesting, but it just wasn't there. Allston promised to show Vergere's true background - and he did, in about one paragraph. Vergere had a totally illogical stint with the Sith and Jacen suddenly knows more about her "rogue Jedi" personality than readers of her Old Republic novel appearances do. Lumiya really doesn't want to hurt Luke, because she found religion. That's all folks.
And yeah, it was done both to boil everything down to strict Jedi/Sith duality again, because that's what SW is about. (As demonstrated by the novels that really got the EU running - The Thrawn trilogy. Oh, wait...) And to ultimately discredit Vergere, who Stover might have written a bit too controversial for parts of the audience (I don't think anyone would have made the Sith case out of any of the other books she appeared in).
Oh, by the way, Vader wasn't only less than Anakin could have been and less than the Emperor, he was also a totally useless waste of a Sith because he was a cyborg. I just thought you should know...
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RiggsWolfe
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6/25 6:49am
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Grey1 posted:
And yeah, it was done both to boil everything down to strict Jedi/Sith duality again, because that's what SW is about. (As demonstrated by the novels that really got the EU running - The Thrawn trilogy. Oh, wait...) And to ultimately discredit Vergere, who Stover might have written a bit too controversial for parts of the audience (I don't think anyone would have made the Sith case out of any of the other books she appeared in).
While I had issues with LOTF (notably that it adds to the suffering of the big 3 in major ways, can't these people have a decent life, please?) this was the part I loved. Traitor was well written but it wasn't Star Wars and it nearly destroyed my enjoyment of NJO because of how it tried to change the force. I didn't read the DNT because of my fears about where the authors were going with the force and only picked up LOTF because I heard Jacen was going to fall. My thoughts were "finally, maybe all this potentium stuff will be shown to be the darkside garbage it is."
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_ViE_AcheRoN_
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6/25 8:20am
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Grey1 posted:
Oh, by the way, Vader wasn't only less than Anakin could have been and less than the Emperor, he was also a totally useless waste of a Sith because he was a cyborg. I just thought you should know...
Yeah, seeing that Lumiya tries to get away with claiming this and that the clone Emperor wasn't really Palpatine, I don't get why we're supposed to take her as a canon mouthpiece for everything else she says, especially when it's equally contradictory to preexisting canon. 
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_ViE_AcheRoN_
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6/25 8:25am
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RiggsWolfe posted:
Traitor was well written but it wasn't Star Wars and it nearly destroyed my enjoyment of NJO because of how it tried to change the force. I didn't read the DNT because of my fears about where the authors were going with the force and only picked up LOTF because I heard Jacen was going to fall. My thoughts were "finally, maybe all this potentium stuff will be shown to be the darkside garbage it is."
Considering that the POTJ source book came out and flat out said that the Potentium was wrong and corruptive the same year that Traitor came out, I wasn't too worried about it. Making Vergere a Sith was just overkill.
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Ulicus
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6/25 8:33am
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_ViE_AcheRoN_ posted:
RiggsWolfe posted:
Traitor was well written but it wasn't Star Wars and it nearly destroyed my enjoyment of NJO because of how it tried to change the force. I didn't read the DNT because of my fears about where the authors were going with the force and only picked up LOTF because I heard Jacen was going to fall. My thoughts were "finally, maybe all this potentium stuff will be shown to be the darkside garbage it is."
Considering that the POTJ source book came out and flat out said that the Potentium was wrong and corruptive the same year that Traitor came out, I wasn't too worried about it. Making Vergere a Sith was just overkill.
Vergere doesn't teach the Potentium. 
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Trip
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6/25 8:30pm
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RiggsWolfe posted:
While I had issues with LOTF (notably that it adds to the suffering of the big 3 in major ways, can't these people have a decent life, please?) this was the part I loved. Traitor was well written but it wasn't Star Wars and it nearly destroyed my enjoyment of NJO because of how it tried to change the force. I didn't read the DNT because of my fears about where the authors were going with the force and only picked up LOTF because I heard Jacen was going to fall. My thoughts were "finally, maybe all this potentium stuff will be shown to be the darkside garbage it is."
Er... the NJO didn't "try to change the force," and Vergere's teachings have zip to do with the Potentium.
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Grey1
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6/26 12:42pm
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Trip posted:
RiggsWolfe posted:
While I had issues with LOTF (notably that it adds to the suffering of the big 3 in major ways, can't these people have a decent life, please?) this was the part I loved. Traitor was well written but it wasn't Star Wars and it nearly destroyed my enjoyment of NJO because of how it tried to change the force. I didn't read the DNT because of my fears about where the authors were going with the force and only picked up LOTF because I heard Jacen was going to fall. My thoughts were "finally, maybe all this potentium stuff will be shown to be the darkside garbage it is."
Er... the NJO didn't "try to change the force," and Vergere's teachings have zip to do with the Potentium.
I never understood that connection either. To me it seemed like it came out of "Vergere promotes non-Jedi-non-Sith stuff, Sekot promotes non-Jedi-non-Sith-stuff, they are mentioned in the same books... it's all the same!"
Based on Rogue Planet and Cloak of Deception, Vergere hadn't enough time to get to know and embrace either the Potentium or the Sith. It's only later on when she's in the trunk of some Vong ship that she's got enough time on her hands to start thinking about everything the Jedi never truly answered. And even then she doesn't throw all old-Jedi-stuff overboard, as evidenced by her stance on Jedi dynasties.
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Arawn_Fenn
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6/26 2:45pm
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_ViE_AcheRoN_ posted:
the POTJ source book came out and flat out said that the Potentium was wrong and corruptive the same year that Traitor came out
Interesting.
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I just love this article: wrong in so many ways 
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6/26 10:00pm
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Trip posted:
RiggsWolfe posted:
While I had issues with LOTF (notably that it adds to the suffering of the big 3 in major ways, can't these people have a decent life, please?) this was the part I loved. Traitor was well written but it wasn't Star Wars and it nearly destroyed my enjoyment of NJO because of how it tried to change the force. I didn't read the DNT because of my fears about where the authors were going with the force and only picked up LOTF because I heard Jacen was going to fall. My thoughts were "finally, maybe all this potentium stuff will be shown to be the darkside garbage it is."
Er... the NJO didn't "try to change the force," and Vergere's teachings have zip to do with the Potentium.
To me, the new perspectives on the Force in the NJO felt like a validation of all the havoc that was wreaked on the existing EU universe. I was like, "Wow, it sucks that they've destroyed all these EU places and characters that I'd become accustomed to, but it makes sense since they're going in a different sort of direction. I can't wait to see what they do with it!"
When it turned out that all they were going to do was say, "Nope, it was all just the same ol' Dark Side" and drone on and on about Boba Fett clones, I gave up on reading the EU.
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Grey1
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted:
To me, the new perspectives on the Force in the NJO felt like a validation of all the havoc that was wreaked on the existing EU universe. I was like, "Wow, it sucks that they've destroyed all these EU places and characters that I'd become accustomed to, but it makes sense since they're going in a different sort of direction. I can't wait to see what they do with it!"
When it turned out that all they were going to do was say, "Nope, it was all just the same ol' Dark Side" and drone on and on about Boba Fett clones, I gave up on reading the EU.
Now that you're saying it... I never thought about that factor, but it's like a hobbit coming back from his gigantic journey (whether Bilbo or Frodo or Sam) and continuing his old life without any change.
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Grey1 posted:
Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted:
To me, the new perspectives on the Force in the NJO felt like a validation of all the havoc that was wreaked on the existing EU universe. I was like, "Wow, it sucks that they've destroyed all these EU places and characters that I'd become accustomed to, but it makes sense since they're going in a different sort of direction. I can't wait to see what they do with it!"
When it turned out that all they were going to do was say, "Nope, it was all just the same ol' Dark Side" and drone on and on about Boba Fett clones, I gave up on reading the EU.
Now that you're saying it... I never thought about that factor, but it's like a hobbit coming back from his gigantic journey (whether Bilbo or Frodo or Sam) and continuing his old life without any change.
Don't really see the connection. The new way was wrong, and they went through growing pains and found that out.
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