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lincolnmon
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6/23 7:30pm
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The End Of Jacen in the EU.... Not.
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hey guys, I am new here. Just finished reading the universally more or less condemmed LOTF. Well, I did not find it as bad as you guys.
Besides, I am a fan of Jacen. I actually followed the entire series because of him.
Anyway, I think Jacen might have died in Invincible, but a few things happen in the series that makes me think that he could still be around.
One was the meeting Luminya had with supposedly a "Cadeous" from the future. I forgot book what.
The other was Jacen's ability of time walking.
And with the books jumping here and there, who knows what Jacen could have set in the future?
"Jacen corrupts some future apprentice"
"Jacen clones himself"
"Jacen acutally brings himself into reality in the future"
Hmm. a bit far fetched, but we should remember Jacen is the one with all the uber-powers. Just that he has not used them yet.
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princess_of_naboo
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6/23 7:32pm
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lincolnmon posted:
"Jacen clones himself"
Oh God, please no.
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TD33
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I think that Jacen might've tried something like that if it wasn't for the fact that he was so overconfident in everything he did. He didn't think he could lose so he probally didn't use flow walking to set something like that up.
on a side note is it ever said how far into the past or future Jacen could go?
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lincolnmon
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I don't think so.
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TD33
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Don't get me wrong i would be excited if jacen had actually set something up to make sure his sith legacy would be continued in the event of his death. i just think he was too busy fighting a war to do stuff like that and he was a little too sure of himself which added to him not thinking about this kind of stuff.
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Robimus
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Wouldn't the fans love that. Jacen returns from the dead and Anakin doesn't.  If that were to happen I would then really believe the authors were mocking the fandom.
Still, I wouldn't mind a Jacen Solo Force ghost to appear somewhere........
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Carnage04
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No! Please please please stay dead. You can bring him back in the form of a force ghost or new novels set prior to LoTF but no weird time travel, no more cloning, mostly just no ridiculous way to squirm out of the fact that they killed him off.
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DarthMonkey321
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I'd only want to see that if they somehow brought back a pre-LotF Jacen who wasn't such a bastard. It could be like LotF never happened... kind of.
I really do wish that if they had to make Jacen go dark, that he could have at least been made into a great villain, like his grandfather was. Then I WOULD like to see him somehow return from the dead. Instead, they took a decent hero who could have EVENTUALLY been the next Luke Skywalker (if it wasn't for all the crap they did to him in NJO) and they turned him into a somewhat lame villain who didn't even deserve the title of "Darth", IMO.
On second thought, leave him dead. Any kind of resurrection would only bring on bad memories of what could have been and what we got instead. Let's move on...
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Zorrixor
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Haven't you heard? Jacen Solo never became Darth Caedus. It was Jacen Skywalker! 
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Rouge77
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I would like to see Anakin and Jacen to return, by whatever means. Even Force Ghosts would be ok, but I don't think we have any chance whatsoever to see them even as Force Ghosts. (Anakin's "Force Ghosts" in Traitor weren't really him, but tricks by Vergere and the monster.) After all, they have a wrong last name, which was the reason they were killed in the first place.
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QuentinGeorge
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That wasn't the reason and I know you know that.
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Excellence
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Blows dust off . . .
Lets look at the history. Isard returns after her death, and whether it was intended or not, Wessiri's reply to Horn end of Isard's Revenge can imply she still lived.
Zahn can't let his Thrawnie go, so throws in a completely useless offhand that perhaps gathering a few groups of people in SQ was the work of a mastermind. His blue one. Setup for a third return.
Palpatine came back, which was realistic and even expected. But then he came back again, which was annoying.
Katarn returned with a mere reload file, and now you want to ditto Jacen.
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Rouge77
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What reason? We haven't been given any real reasons why Anakin and Jacen had to die. DR wanted to kill one of the Solo kids in NJO from the beginning, but we have never been given a real reason for this. Just explanations how the death would have a role in their overall plan - like some other character couldn't have more realistically taken the role.
In their original plan Luke was to die in VP, Jacen would be the new leader of the Jedi and a hero in the mould of Luke until he too would be killed which would show that the old Jedi ways don't work and Anakin would have show a new way blah blah etc. Realistically there was character who would have better fit this role of an interim leader: Kyp Durron.
But instead DR insisted that one of the Solo boys had to die. Why? No answer.
Same with Jacen now. They insist that he had to die in Invincible, but give no OU reasons why. What we have gotten is just lame excuses that Troy Denning wrote him as unredeemable and that he had to die because of that. Like the decision to kill him wouldn't have preceded the writing of the manuscript. So, there's no reason given why Jacen had to die.
And what comes to the Force Ghosts, it does seem that a character must have the last name of Skywalker to appear as a real Force Ghost - and not as a trick by Vergere - in DR's novels and DH's current comics now.
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Darthbane2007
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Don''t you guys se the obvious?! Jacen Solo was cloned and will return as Jaacen Solo.
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marmkid
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6/24 6:23am
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Rouge77 posted:
What reason? We haven't been given any real reasons why Anakin and Jacen had to die. DR wanted to kill one of the Solo kids in NJO from the beginning, but we have never been given a real reason for this. Just explanations how the death would have a role in their overall plan - like some other character couldn't have more realistically taken the role.
In their original plan Luke was to die in VP, Jacen would be the new leader of the Jedi and a hero in the mould of Luke until he too would be killed which would show that the old Jedi ways don't work and Anakin would have show a new way blah blah etc. Realistically there was character who would have better fit this role of an interim leader: Kyp Durron.
But instead DR insisted that one of the Solo boys had to die. Why? No answer.
Same with Jacen now. They insist that he had to die in Invincible, but give no OU reasons why. What we have gotten is just lame excuses that Troy Denning wrote him as unredeemable and that he had to die because of that. Like the decision to kill him wouldn't have preceded the writing of the manuscript. So, there's no reason given why Jacen had to die.
And what comes to the Force Ghosts, it does seem that a character must have the last name of Skywalker to appear as a real Force Ghost - and not as a trick by Vergere - in DR's novels and DH's current comics now.
what kind of reason do the authors or DR owe us?
they are telling a story, they felt these charactors should die, end of story
Jacen was a sith lord who turned evil
not everyone in the universe can be redeemed, and there is no reason why they should be
if he was redeemed, he would have had to pay for Mara's death and everyone else's
it would have made too much of a mess of things
Vader was redeemed, but had to die otherwise he essentially would not have paid for his crimes
i find Jacen to be similar
just because YOU dont like that he died, doesnt mean you hold the universal opinion and DR should send you an apology note
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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marmkid posted:
Rouge77 posted:
What reason? We haven't been given any real reasons why Anakin and Jacen had to die. DR wanted to kill one of the Solo kids in NJO from the beginning, but we have never been given a real reason for this. Just explanations how the death would have a role in their overall plan - like some other character couldn't have more realistically taken the role.
In their original plan Luke was to die in VP, Jacen would be the new leader of the Jedi and a hero in the mould of Luke until he too would be killed which would show that the old Jedi ways don't work and Anakin would have show a new way blah blah etc. Realistically there was character who would have better fit this role of an interim leader: Kyp Durron.
But instead DR insisted that one of the Solo boys had to die. Why? No answer.
Same with Jacen now. They insist that he had to die in Invincible, but give no OU reasons why. What we have gotten is just lame excuses that Troy Denning wrote him as unredeemable and that he had to die because of that. Like the decision to kill him wouldn't have preceded the writing of the manuscript. So, there's no reason given why Jacen had to die.
And what comes to the Force Ghosts, it does seem that a character must have the last name of Skywalker to appear as a real Force Ghost - and not as a trick by Vergere - in DR's novels and DH's current comics now.
what kind of reason do the authors or DR owe us?
they are telling a story, they felt these charactors should die, end of story
Jacen was a sith lord who turned evil
not everyone in the universe can be redeemed, and there is no reason why they should be
if he was redeemed, he would have had to pay for Mara's death and everyone else's
it would have made too much of a mess of things
Vader was redeemed, but had to die otherwise he essentially would not have paid for his crimes
i find Jacen to be similar
just because YOU dont like that he died, doesnt mean you hold the universal opinion and DR should send you an apology note
There's no real 'reason' behind either JINO or Anakin's death. Shock value and almost sticking it to the fans, pretty much.
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