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Excellence
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JINO?
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Darthbane2007
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Excellence posted:
JINO?
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Jacen in Name Only.
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EwoksRTinyWookiees
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I thought Anakon was killed off because Lucas Ltd. thought its fans were so stupid we would mix up the two Anakins. Is there no truth to that? If so I say a pox on wookiepedia for spreading misinformation.
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fanboyskywalker
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My understanding of flow walking from Invincible is that it isn't time travelling. It's more like glancing into the past or future, and if you try and change things the universe course corrects itself anyway so you can't and that only people's memories of the events are then effected, but the events themselves don't change.
As far as Jacen's end... who is to say what happened during his five year hiatus before DN. Maybe the real Jacen Solo never came back...
Personally, I think he is dead, dead, dead. But it is a shame the powers that be won't give us Force Ghosts of Jacen and, more importantly, Anakin. It's like they don't want to because it would confirm their deaths and in Anakin's case they want to hold the ressurection card in their back pockets to keep the fans discussing it every time a new series comes out and in case sales get to low to possibly actually do it (bring him back). Which is lame because if anyone is determined enough to come back from the dead as a Force ghost it would be Anakin and possibly Jacen, with his powers and knowledge. It could also give us some closure and insight into his character if Luke and/or Jaina and/or Leia was talking to him after he passed on.
But it is getting to the point that a Anakin Force ghost would serve no purpose... like Obi-wan gave guidance to Luke post death as a Force Ghost. Anakin should have came back in LOTF as a Force Ghost, but now everyone is too old it seems to need him for any reason I can think of. So it would be just coming back to say hi or something. Shame...
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marmkid
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
There's no real 'reason' behind either JINO or Anakin's death. Shock value and almost sticking it to the fans, pretty much.
yes there is
the reason is they thought it would help the story, the same as in every other book ever written where someone has died
again, because you dont think it helped the story, doesnt mean everyone feels that way
i cant understand where this "sticking it to the fans" idea comes from and why anyone actually thinks its true
the publishers and authors are trying to write books that people want to read, not piss people off
maybe they didnt succeed with you, but they did succeed with a lot of other people
this is the same thing that happens in any series where a main charactor is killed
some people like it, some people dont
just because you dont, doesnt make the authors and everyone who like it idiots
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Vrook_Lamar
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Zorrixor posted:
Haven't you heard? Jacen Solo never became Darth Caedus. It was Jacen Skywalker! 
So at some time between the Young Jedi Knights series and the New Jedi Order, Jacen was replaced by Ben Reilly?
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Crox
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lincolnmon posted:
the universally more or less condemmed LOTF.
Err, what?
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DarthMonkey321
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Crox posted:
lincolnmon posted:
the universally more or less condemmed LOTF.
Err, what?
What what? LotF is indeed, more or less, universally condemned by the fans. You might have liked it, but most hardcore EU fans think it was crap. While I personally didn't hate it as a whole, I do hate what they did with Jacen and how pretty much everyone seemed completely out of character the entire series.
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marmkid
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DarthMonkey321 posted:
Crox posted:
lincolnmon posted:
the universally more or less condemmed LOTF.
Err, what?
What what? LotF is indeed, more or less, universally condemned by the fans. You might have liked it, but most hardcore EU fans think it was crap. While I personally didn't hate it as a whole, I do hate what they did with Jacen and how pretty much everyone seemed completely out of character the entire series.
i dont think you can say most hardcore fans thought it was crap
are you basing that solely on these boards?
if you look at the reviews, generally its not regarded as crap as far as i can tell
i dont know how you know who is a hardcore EU fan or not, but that is a huge generalization that cant be made
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DarthMonkey321
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marmkid posted:
DarthMonkey321 posted:
Crox posted:
[quote=lincolnmon]the universally more or less condemmed LOTF.
Err, what?
What what? LotF is indeed, more or less, universally condemned by the fans. You might have liked it, but most hardcore EU fans think it was crap. While I personally didn't hate it as a whole, I do hate what they did with Jacen and how pretty much everyone seemed completely out of character the entire series.
i dont think you can say most hardcore fans thought it was crap
are you basing that solely on these boards?
if you look at the reviews, generally its not regarded as crap as far as i can tell
i dont know how you know who is a hardcore EU fan or not, but that is a huge generalization that cant be made[/quote]
You're right, it was a bit of a generalization. It's mostly based on what I've heard from the fans that I know, along with what I've read on these and other boards. That equates to a mixture of casual and more hardcore EU fans (which I would define as people who have read a majority of the novels and comics, and who spend at least a few minutes a day thinking about the EU in some way. People who post daily on this board would fall into the "hardcore fans" category, I think.)
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AdmirableAckbar
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Excellence posted:
Lets look at the history. Isard returns after her death, and whether it was intended or not, Wessiri's reply to Horn end of Isard's Revenge can imply she still lived.
I've heard this said before, but either I completely missed something or am interpreting it completely differently, because last time I checked Isard's Revenge I got nothing. I'd check again but I don't have it with me...what's the actual quote?
Regardless, numerous other sources have stated she died.
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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marmkid posted:
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
There's no real 'reason' behind either JINO or Anakin's death. Shock value and almost sticking it to the fans, pretty much.
yes there is
the reason is they thought it would help the story, the same as in every other book ever written where someone has died
again, because you dont think it helped the story, doesnt mean everyone feels that way
i cant understand where this "sticking it to the fans" idea comes from and why anyone actually thinks its true
the publishers and authors are trying to write books that people want to read, not piss people off
maybe they didnt succeed with you, but they did succeed with a lot of other people
this is the same thing that happens in any series where a main charactor is killed
some people like it, some people dont
just because you dont, doesnt make the authors and everyone who like it idiots
It might've been thought to help the story, but it sure as hell didn't! Yes, kill off the next gen characters who can carry the saga forward. It was a bad decision.
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dizfactor
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6/24 6:45pm
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
It might've been thought to help the story, but it sure as hell didn't! Yes, kill off the next gen characters who can carry the saga forward. It was a bad decision.
The problem is that the next gen characters were not capable of carrying the saga forward, so if killing them off clears the decks for characters who can, than it was the right decision.
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dizfactor posted:
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
It might've been thought to help the story, but it sure as hell didn't! Yes, kill off the next gen characters who can carry the saga forward. It was a bad decision.
The problem is that the next gen characters were not capable of carrying the saga forward, so if killing them off clears the decks for characters who can, than it was the right decision.
Except they could carry it forward, Diz. They were just rewritten/killed off/sent to EU limbo for no damned good reason and replaced... until Del Rey killed off their replacements!
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sabarte
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dizfactor posted:
The problem is that the next gen characters were not capable of carrying the saga forward, so if killing them off clears the decks for characters who can, than it was the right decision.
If they weren't, that's a post-YJK execution problem. Nineteen books down the line, you can't blame Anderson.
And if it's a post-YJK execution problem, there's no sign the problem has been fixed.
But yeah. Not really an NJO fan, but after the NJO things were set up pretty well. Then Dark Nest came along, and brainwashed them all and sent them all to their rooms...er...Dagobah.
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