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The End Of Jacen in the EU.... Not.
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marmkid
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Apr '01
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6/24 8:16pm
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
It might've been thought to help the story, but it sure as hell didn't! Yes, kill off the next gen characters who can carry the saga forward. It was a bad decision.
that is just your opinion
there are plenty of people, myself included, who dont have a problem with a whole 2 young main charactors killed
there are plenty of other charactors to carry on the torch
just because you dont think it helped the story doesnt mean that is the only opinion to have
you cant say that people who disagree with you are wrong
they just disagree with you
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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6/24 8:35pm
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marmkid posted:
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
It might've been thought to help the story, but it sure as hell didn't! Yes, kill off the next gen characters who can carry the saga forward. It was a bad decision.
that is just your opinion
there are plenty of people, myself included, who dont have a problem with a whole 2 young main charactors killed
there are plenty of other charactors to carry on the torch
just because you dont think it helped the story doesnt mean that is the only opinion to have
you cant say that people who disagree with you are wrong
they just disagree with you
They basically cut their own legs out from under them. That's pretty much a fact there. And any new characters that come along similarly get the shaft. It didn't help move the story along. I don't 'think' that. I 'know' that.
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marmkid
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6/25 11:25am
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
marmkid posted:
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
It might've been thought to help the story, but it sure as hell didn't! Yes, kill off the next gen characters who can carry the saga forward. It was a bad decision.
that is just your opinion
there are plenty of people, myself included, who dont have a problem with a whole 2 young main charactors killed
there are plenty of other charactors to carry on the torch
just because you dont think it helped the story doesnt mean that is the only opinion to have
you cant say that people who disagree with you are wrong
they just disagree with you
They basically cut their own legs out from under them. That's pretty much a fact there. And any new characters that come along similarly get the shaft. It didn't help move the story along. I don't 'think' that. I 'know' that.
look its all opinion here
you cant say for a fact that it didnt help move the story along any more than i can say that it did help move the story along
according to you, they cut their own legs out from under them
thats it
according to me, they didnt
and i have heard a ton of complaints about the books being all skywalker/solo only
yet now we get a huge outcry when a solo is killed
some people like it
some dont
we need to accept that and not think anyone who doesnt agree with us is just wrong and an idiot for thinking that way if we are going to have an actual conversation about things
and to be honest
having jacen, who was seen as a shining hero after the NJO fall to the darkside and eventually have to be killed by his own sister opens up a lot for the future of the jedi in terms of how you deal with your jedi (maybe not let someone who is barely a knight just go off on his own for 5 years?), or his daughter and her training?
there are plenty more too
i am not sure how you can "know" that any future charactors will get the shaft in this same way, considering their stories havent even been written yet
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SuperSaiyaMan12
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6/25 12:14pm
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marmkid posted:
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
marmkid posted:
[quote=RK_Striker_JK_5]
It might've been thought to help the story, but it sure as hell didn't! Yes, kill off the next gen characters who can carry the saga forward. It was a bad decision.
that is just your opinion
there are plenty of people, myself included, who dont have a problem with a whole 2 young main charactors killed
there are plenty of other charactors to carry on the torch
just because you dont think it helped the story doesnt mean that is the only opinion to have
you cant say that people who disagree with you are wrong
they just disagree with you
They basically cut their own legs out from under them. That's pretty much a fact there. And any new characters that come along similarly get the shaft. It didn't help move the story along. I don't 'think' that. I 'know' that.
look its all opinion here
you cant say for a fact that it didnt help move the story along any more than i can say that it did help move the story along
according to you, they cut their own legs out from under them
thats it
according to me, they didnt
and i have heard a ton of complaints about the books being all skywalker/solo only
yet now we get a huge outcry when a solo is killed
some people like it
some dont
we need to accept that and not think anyone who doesnt agree with us is just wrong and an idiot for thinking that way if we are going to have an actual conversation about things
and to be honest
having jacen, who was seen as a shining hero after the NJO fall to the darkside and eventually have to be killed by his own sister opens up a lot for the future of the jedi in terms of how you deal with your jedi (maybe not let someone who is barely a knight just go off on his own for 5 years?), or his daughter and her training?
there are plenty more too
i am not sure how you can "know" that any future charactors will get the shaft in this same way, considering their stories havent even been written yet
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He hasn't insulted your opinion like you keep claiming, Marm
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marmkid
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6/25 12:38pm
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i dont think he insulted my opinion at all, and i am not insulted
but his opinion is not a fact and i dont think he should be claiming it as fact
everyone can feel however they want to about the books and stories. just be prepared that everyone might not agree with you is all i am saying
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marmkid
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i also think this will actually help those charactors become more prominent and maybe finally leave EU limbo
now that Anakin and Jacen arent around to be the focus of everything, we can get back to there being more than a handful of jedi
so really, in that regard, it opens up a lot of page time for a host of new or forgotten characters, since Ben is still a bit too young to be the main guy
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DRush76
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6/26 9:44am
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what kind of reason do the authors or DR owe us?
they are telling a story, they felt these charactors should die, end of story
Jacen was a sith lord who turned evil
not everyone in the universe can be redeemed, and there is no reason why they should be
if he was redeemed, he would have had to pay for Mara's death and everyone else's
it would have made too much of a mess of things
Vader was redeemed, but had to die otherwise he essentially would not have paid for his crimes
Why does redemption always have to end in death? Sounds like an advocacy for an "eye for an eye" mentality. Why not have that person redeem him or herself living with the consequences and memories of their actions?
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marmkid
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6/26 10:17am
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DRush76 posted:
Why does redemption always have to end in death? Sounds like an advocacy for an "eye for an eye" mentality. Why not have that person redeem him or herself living with the consequences and memories of their actions?
i agree, redemption does not always have to end in death
and i think you can almost make the argument that jacen redeemed himself with his last act
i am not saying that Jacen had to die
i am just saying that him dying didnt ruin his charactor forever and hasnt ruined the EU
i do think that if he was redeemed, there would definitely have to be another book showing how he is coping with what he did, and what is the consequence of his actions
and honestly, that would have been very interesting to read about
but he couldnt just stop fighting Jaina, and say, now i want to save my daughter, so i'm good again, and have that really be it
much more would be needed from him
my vader comment was basically for someone at the end of his life, with almost a lifetime of crimes
i dont think that one act to save his son would essentially be enough for him to be completely redeemed
if he would have lived, it would have required a lot more story
the galaxy is about much more than just Luke and Anakin at that point
so essentially, he gave his life to save his son, and in the process, he saved himself
if he didnt have to give his life to save Luke, i think there might have been more required of him for everything he did
not saying it HAD to be his death, but for the story to end there, i think it had to be his death
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Jmacq1
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6/26 10:31am
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I think we should ban any character that anyone likes and enjoys reading about from dying. It's the only way to be sure.
Therefore, no named character ever dies in Star Wars ever again. That's about how it should be, right? Right?
No, of course not. Characters people like are going to die, there's no way around it when you're dealing with a fandom that has at least one person that fixates on virtually any character that's given a name. That has to give a name and backstory to every random alien that's shown in the Mos Eisley Cantina or Jabba's Palace, that has to have Boba Fett crawl out of the Sarlacc (two or three times before it sticks) rather than meeting a well-deserved (and intended) ignoble end.
The bottom line, some people are going to be dissatisfied, no matter what's written. There is no "perfect" Star Wars book except that which exists in each individual's head. If the sales remain good, then Del Rey is doing their job...which is making money, not pleasing individual fans. Yeah, they should try, but if the books keep selling as well as they do, then clearly they're either pleasing someone or Star Wars fans are the biggest herd of sheep in the galaxy.
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6/26 10:50am
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Darth Caedus will be back! How? During Jacen's "adventures" in discovering the Force, he stumbles on Darth Plagueis' ability to cheat death. That's how they will do it!!!! 
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