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Who was right about the force??
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Dark_jedi224
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6/25 7:29am
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Who was right about the force??
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Who got it right?
the ancient jedi?
the original dark jedi after the hundred year's darkness?
the old republic jedi?
the potentium?
the NJO w/ Luke?
or the sith?
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DarthBoba
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NJO with Luke.
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Me.
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Manisphere
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I would have said Luke if this was right before the NJO. But their Potentium like views didn't seem right and Luke knew it.
Every age mentioned showcases Jedi ignorance on some level. In a perfect galaxy The Old Republic would be right. But they were very wrong. That one is glaring. Sith=total self deception and horror for the galaxy so that's out.
I guess the ancient Jedi were closest. I'm talking pre-Sith. My reasoning? Things were simpler. Lots of time to cultivate forgotten Force techniques. The simpler the Universe, the better the Jedi look. Also, the Jedi tradition began with the first Jedi and little has changed since.
In the end no one got it completely right. Ganner Rhysode "got" it in my eyes at his last stand. Odan-Urr had it right for a thousand years. Any given Jedi might "get" it but a whole order always has its flaws and dogmas.
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Jedimarine
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Revan and the Exile.
But only when I go lightside. 
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SuperWatto
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Han Solo.
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UltimateMandalore
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Whichever one took the most action. Something similar to Cade's plan with Krayt. They are not afraid to assassinate one man, even if he has committed mass murder, in order to save billions more. The Jedi of all eras could have saved trillions all together if they had just taken action. This makes the Jedi weak.
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rumsmuggler
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That is a cool viewpoint.
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Dark_jedi224
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Manisphere posted:
I would have said Luke if this was right before the NJO. But their Potentium like views didn't seem right and Luke knew it.
Every age mentioned showcases Jedi ignorance on some level. In a perfect galaxy The Old Republic would be right. But they were very wrong. That one is glaring. Sith=total self deception and horror for the galaxy so that's out.
I guess the ancient Jedi were closest. I'm talking pre-Sith. My reasoning? Things were simpler. Lots of time to cultivate forgotten Force techniques. The simpler the Universe, the better the Jedi look. Also, the Jedi tradition began with the first Jedi and little has changed since.
In the end no one got it completely right. Ganner Rhysode "got" it in my eyes at his last stand. Odan-Urr had it right for a thousand years. Any given Jedi might "get" it but a whole order always has its flaws and dogmas.
I guess i'd go with Manisphere. The old jedi explored many relms of the LIGHT side of the force, while the later version in the old republic felt more complacent with their knowledge.
Plus, after the Sith were formed, the jedi became hypicritical. they would do everything to stop a sith but when it came to other "bad" people or situations they could have stopped, they were suddenly oblivious to them.
P.S.The Potentium is rubbish. If there were no sides to the force then the dark side wouldn't be seductive or use something totally diffent to fuel it (emotions). And obviously the sith wouldn't look so badass when compared to the jedi,duh.
(What books does Luke address the ways of the force as viewed by the NJO? I've only read about NJO on wookieepedia and other websites not the actual books so which ones specifically?) Much thanks...
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burrie
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No one and everyone.
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vong333
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The man himself......George Lucas, since he created the universe and set the parameters as to what a sith and a jedi can do...especially in the movies................
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Jedi_Master_Luc
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None of the above. If they had, then all the drama creating disasters, injustices and all around sideways stuff wouldn't have happened because the Jedi would have been on the ball to begin with.
None of them have even come close to "getting it right" in my humble opinion. The OJO were far too complacent and willing to wait and see. The later OJO were "blinded" by the dark side.
Wasn't it Master Thon who talked about defeating the dark by blinding it with the light? Why couldn't the prequel Jedi do that?
Luke's NJO started out pretty decently, but as their relationship became more heavily and inextricably intertwined with the ill-fated New Republic, and later with the GFFA, and as Del Rey took over the license, the NJO went the way of the OJO. Ineffective and complacent. They ALMOST got back on track toward the end of the NJO series, but went back to whiny do-nothings in a perfect image of their OJO counterparts before DN was complete.
And finally, Krayt's One Sith's emergence 130yrs down the road shows that the Jedi still aren't on the ball enough to learn from past mistakes. Whenever the Sith show up, they always come from Korriban or Ziost. I won't go so far as to say let's Death Star those two planets, but why didn't they just Death Star those two planets? A number of other worlds have Sithly ties, but none like the two mentioned. If nothing else, a permanant Jedi pressence should have been established on both worlds after their Sith history was revealed to ensure that future attempts to reform the Sith would be met with the business (or negotiating) end of a lightsaber. Or three.
Until SW goes from Space Fantasy to Sci-Fi, this is always going to happen. Science, even science fiction, is meaningless in a world of "magic".
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Dark_jedi224
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well said master luc
but the jedi are far to fearful of the seductiveness of the dark side to station any jedi on ziost or korriban for a sustained length of time. even in numbers.
the best way to stop the resurgence of the sith is to have multiple jedi complexes around the galaxy not just coruscant and a few sentimental forest moons with fancy roman numerals
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Kaje
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burrie posted:
No one and everyone.
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Manisphere
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About Korriban and Ziost:
Jedi_Master_Luc posted:
I won't go so far as to say let's Death Star those two planets, but why didn't they just Death Star those two planets?
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I like that one. What a salient if not destructive point.
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fanboyskywalker
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"They are not afraid to assassinate one man, even if he has committed mass murder, in order to save billions more. "
Wasn't that Jacen Solo's reasoning in LOTF?
As far as putting a Jedi presence on Ziost and Korriban, aren't they steeped with the dark side? That would be like Yoda locking Luke in the cave on Dagobah... a real head-trip.
I don't think Luke and the NJO know anything about Ziost and Korriban being a hive of Sith activity again... the planets have been quiet for a long, long time. I don't expect the books to bed over backwards to accomidate that in one of the computer games a character fought a few Sith on Korriban... that's when it starts to get complicated and I don't like my plots hindered by any of the computer games, which were never meant to be canon, IMO.
Anyway, maybe Luke will investigate in the next book series. If anything suspicious turns up, he needs to take his NJO and go hunting.
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