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Ackbar_Van_Gungan Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 6/26/08 5:33am Subject: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers) - Date Edited: 6/26/08 9:49am (4 edits total) Edited By: Master_Keralys
	All right TF.Ners, we have reached the halfway point of Vector with issue 6 yesterday. I would like to have a discussion about what everyone thinks about the series thus far. What would we rate the first 6 issues? Has it lived up to your expectations? Favorite parts? Least favorite parts? So far I would give Vector a 6 out of 10. Honestly, I expected more. I respect Vector for giving me Sith artifacts and alchemy (which I was a huge fan of in the old Kun/Sadow KOTOR comics but the tie in with the Rakghoul plague doesn't do much for me. I don't feel like I've gotten enough dirt on Karness Muur to really respect him as a Sith. I am also a bit confused about the talisman itself. Does it possess the wearer or do they have control over it? At times it seems like it does whatever it wants but at the same time Celeste Morne made it do her bidding as well. Thirdly, I feel like if you are going to do the plague you have to really sell it as a threat to the galaxy. I'm not sure it worked as well in the often humorous KOTOR as it did in Dark Times (the death of you know who in issue 6 was heartbreaking). Speaking of Celeste Morne, I would have rather had just the talisman pass through 4,000 years of history, not Lord Dreypa's magic oubilette. Either that or have Celeste be karking insane on the other side. All in all, Vector has been some one of a disappointment, especially when you think of the regular Dark Times and KOTOR storylines. I would much rather be 4 issues deeper into Zayne v. Covenant (best storyline in Star Wars right now). Hopefully, things will pick up in the back 6 issues. Vector 1-6: 6/10 -The Rebel Gungan Lock, unlock, title change... yeah. -----signature----- My SFF blog: http://www.yetistomper.blogspot.com/ 1st Post= Golden Ewok™ No Prize! Unfortunate Sacred Slab of the Church of Waru -Curator of the Byss Orbiting Holographic History of Space Flight Museum
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/26/08 9:50am Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	Hmm. While I'll try to respond in more detail later, suffice it to say that I really like Vector thus far. Interestingly, in KotOR while I was just okay with Vector, I'm loving the repercussions and consequences it's having: it launched Zayne in a very different trajectory than the one he was on going into it: much more bold, much more willing to take direct action against the Covenant, and with the tools to do it. Dark Times was really well-written, and made me very happy as well. More later. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Ackbar_Van_Gungan Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 6/26/08 10:07am Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	Master_Keralys posted: Lock, unlock, title change... yeah. Thanks. I also agree with your point that it definitely changed Zayne, something that I hadn't thought about before. The whole Sith artifact collecting/ Jedi shadow part of the Covenant has me intrigued. It definitely was a strong transitional piece. I guess that begs the question whether Vector is suppossed to be read as a stand alone story or not. Maybe I am reading it as a standalone story when I should be reading it as a commonality in between series. I care a lot more about Zayne, Bomo, the crew of the Uheleme and the characters that we've been following for a while than I do about Celeste Morne. Her struggle doesn't interest me for some reason. The death in Issue 6 was definitely the strongest moment of the series. That alone brought the series up a couple points in my book. As another note, I haven't been a huge fan of the artwork thus far especially in KOTOR. -The Rebel Gungan -----signature----- My SFF blog: http://www.yetistomper.blogspot.com/ 1st Post= Golden Ewok™ No Prize! Unfortunate Sacred Slab of the Church of Waru -Curator of the Byss Orbiting Holographic History of Space Flight Museum
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/26/08 11:28am Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	Interesting. I'd not really thought about it in those terms, but yes, I'm reading it as a part of the ongoing series that simply binds them together, rather than being a series all its own. As such, I think it works quite well. Vector by itself... hmm. I'm not sure. But then, I'm not entirely sure it's supposed to work on its own. It's not quite like Civil War in that regard, I don't think. It's not supposed to be self-contained: it's supposed to fit seamlessly (or as close to it as possible) with the existing setting, and simply be a point of continuity between them in a unique way. Which I rather like. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Jedimarine Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 6/26/08 11:37am Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	thoughts? Thank goodness this farce of a cross-promotion scheme is nearly over. bracing for the LEGACY section. -----signature----- So Devaronian females are suppose to have thick fur, eh? Has anyone seen one outside an essential guide? ... When even the creative teams refuse to make fuzzy Devaronians...it should be a clue, folks. Thus endeth the lesson.
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Vrook_Lamar Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 6/26/08 11:47am Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted: All in all, Vector has been some one of a disappointment, especially when you think of the regular Dark Times and KOTOR storylines. I would much rather be 4 issues deeper into Zayne v. Covenant (best storyline in Star Wars right now). Hopefully, things will pick up in the back 6 issues. The problem with this kind of reasoning is that you can't just skip Vector to get from Knights of Suffering to Vindication and for all we know Vector's 4 issue limit could have actually sped up the story. Even if they only put 1 issue between Vindication and KoS you'd at most be 3 issues further into Zayne v. Covenant. Anyway, Zayne needs to go on sidequests to build up his XP
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Ackbar_Van_Gungan Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 6/26/08 1:38pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	Vrook_Lamar posted: Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted: All in all, Vector has been some one of a disappointment, especially when you think of the regular Dark Times and KOTOR storylines. I would much rather be 4 issues deeper into Zayne v. Covenant (best storyline in Star Wars right now). Hopefully, things will pick up in the back 6 issues. The problem with this kind of reasoning is that you can't just skip Vector to get from Knights of Suffering to Vindication and for all we know Vector's 4 issue limit could have actually sped up the story. Even if they only put 1 issue between Vindication and KoS you'd at most be 3 issues further into Zayne v. Covenant. Anyway, Zayne needs to go on sidequests to build up his XP But the side quests are optional! If you level up too soon the game isn't any fun... -The Rebel Gungan -----signature----- My SFF blog: http://www.yetistomper.blogspot.com/ 1st Post= Golden Ewok™ No Prize! Unfortunate Sacred Slab of the Church of Waru -Curator of the Byss Orbiting Holographic History of Space Flight Museum
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 6/26/08 2:42pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	I love Vector so far. Its not perfect, but its fun to see the links between all four seperate series. Heck, I don't usually buy Dark Times as its a bit too dark for my taste (I know its high quality, I just don't usually read stories this depressing), but I picked it up for Vector. Too bad its going on break after Vector, but that's not Vector's fault, I think. Anyway, Vector was already woven into DT's story a bit, with how that box has been on the Uhumele for so long. Although if they changed their minds, something else could've been in the box. And in KotOr, they integrated the Rakghouls from the game into the comic and even explained them, and linking them to Sith magic. Although I think one Sith artifact is more than enough. Just one could already spell the end of civilization, as we get glimpses of that end in various Vector issues when either Celeste or even Vader can tel the Talisman is not good for even the wearer. I still see Celeste as a tragic character somewhat. While she was a Covenant agent, and despite how annoying Zayne and Gryph were, when she received the direct order to kill Zayne, she hesitated. And she kept enough control over herself to let Zayne seal her in the box, and then instead of a few weeks or months like she'd expected, she's stuck there for millenia, and worst of all, wakes up during a time when the Sith rule the galaxy. She could've simply died and been freed of Muur's power, but that would've meant letting Vader get Muur's Talisman which would simply make things worse so she condemned herself and Muur to being trapped on that planet for who knows how long (I'd say about 20 years, give or take, of course), but she's still willing to protect the galaxy from the Talisman. Though given Legacy's first cover, Celeste probably can't hold out forever against the evil power. And side-quests are fun! Though considering Zayne's nature, he's already had quite a few side-quests away from the Covenant main story. The Mandalorians, his time on a Republic ship (in its brig, to be more precise), then the exogarths, etc. Anyway, this is Zayne, its never as simple as simply head towards the big boss(es) and win. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Adam_Bosman Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 6/26/08 3:26pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	Master_Keralys posted: Interesting. I'd not really thought about it in those terms, but yes, I'm reading it as a part of the ongoing series that simply binds them together, rather than being a series all its own. As such, I think it works quite well. Vector by itself... hmm. I'm not sure. But then, I'm not entirely sure it's supposed to work on its own. It's not quite like Civil War in that regard, I don't think. It's not supposed to be self-contained: it's supposed to fit seamlessly (or as close to it as possible) with the existing setting, and simply be a point of continuity between them in a unique way. Which I rather like. - Keralys Well said. I did not care as much for the KotoR arc as Dark Times, however, I have been enjoying the story in general. I'm very interested to see how this carries through to Legacy...and this in itself prompts me to give it an 8.5 / 10 for now. In addition, I think I'm more excited (story wise) for the Vector conclusion than the upcoming Clone Wars stuff.
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Jeff_Ferguson Registered: May '06	Date Posted: 6/26/08 4:19pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	I'm more excited for anything to do with Legacy than I am the upcoming Clone Wars stuff. I know that 2008 is a big year in terms of Clone Wars and The Force Unleashed, but to me, Legacy will remain the flagship of SW. I've definitely enjoyed Vector so far. I think I liked the KOTOR bit more than most, as I felt that it fit into and advanced the overarching plot quite well. Zayne's resolve to take down the covenant deepened, he confirmed that Krynda was important, we learned more about the Mandalorian Wars and the lengths that the Mandos are going to to recruit soldiers, and now, in the wake of Exalted, we've realized that the covenant's hoarding of Sith artifacts is important, which Zayne learned about from Celeste. To me, the KOTOR bit felt like a natural part of the overarching storyline rather than a random sidequest, as well as a good foundation for Vector as a standalone story. And that's exactly what Vector was supposed to accomplish --- to work as a standalone for new readers, and to fit as seamlessly as possible into the four series' stories. New readers were introduced to the hilarity of Zayne and Gryph's bickering and Zayne's no-killing awesomeness, while we, as old readers, saw those traits reaffirmed. When Zayne said to Cassus Fett "You're people", it did wonders to reinforce what makes him such a great person. The two recent Dark Times issues were fantastic --- two of the best of the series so far. They left me eagerly anticipating both Rebellion #15 and Dark Times #13, even if the latter is a year away. I find myself greatly looking forward to the next six issues of Vector, and crazy theories are abounding in my head as to what will happen in Legacy. -----signature----- "We are Imperial Knights. We do our duty by the Emperor and by the Force—no matter the cost." --- Sigel Dare "In the name of the true Emperor, Roan Fel, we come bearing greetings to our Jedi cousins." --- Marasiah Fel
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DragonMaster_85 Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 7/11/08 12:38pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	I just finished the Dark Times part yesterday, and was really disappointed. Nothing seemed to happen, except for a bit of Sith-to-Sith dynamic. The KOTOR part was ok, and I liked how it seemed to kick off more Jedi/Sith stuff for the title. I'm not looking forward to Rebellion, but the Legacy part looks good. In general, I honestly find Celeste & Muur to be very mediocre. Karness Muur, while I like the plague, seems to be just another made-to-order Sith wizard. Celeste was cool in KOTOR, but seems to be getting boring. I hope, at least, these two will have a bit of further development in the future.
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Amon_Amarth Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 7/11/08 5:07pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	I like Vector thus far. More than I expected after the first issue. I was a little disappointed, because nothing really importanbt happened at first and the art wasn't really good. But the things have improved. And as the series progressed, I've even grown fond of Celeste's character, after initial hostility. And I really like how Vector has impact on all series. It surely changed the course of KOTOR and had an impact on it's characters and it's the same thing with Dark Times where yet another Uhumele crew member dies, and what a horrible death it is. All that has also dealt a blow to captain Heren as well. I still prefer the actual main stories and the KOTOR characters and the Uhumele cre, but Celeste's story is also quite inetersting All in all, I think Vector is well written and has even been improving. Quite an intereting project, to say at least. Has it lived up to your expectations? I'm sorry to say it did not. I do enjoy reading it, but from what I've been reading about it before it came out and from everything it has been discussed in here, I was expecting something much better and much more epic. Favorite parts? - The last issue of KOTOR, when Zayne puts Celeste in Oubliette and says he'll be right back. That was very sad and tragic, knowing Celeste's fate from the announced cover of the DT #11. Mandalorian nuclear bombardment of Jeblee was shocking, and introduction to Oubliette in #3 was quite intriguing. Vader opening the crate in #5 was a great scene too. Least favorite parts? - The First issue of KOTOR. I have the feeling that nothing much happened. The second one was nothing special either. My least favourite thing about the whole series is KOTOR art. Not worth of the story, imo. -----signature----- Jedi Guardian - Acolytes of Revan Dr. Sheldon Cooper FTW! 'Caenorhabditis elegans' is much better than Darth Plagueis at cheating death. "Don't **** with the Jedi Master, son!" Mark Hamill, CE
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Darth_Hydra Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 7/11/08 5:49pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	How'd I rate the first half? So far I'd rate the first half probably around 7/10. I didn't care for the Rakghoul Plague but the Muur Talisman has been interesting. Favorite part Gryph and Zayne's Holo-message in Dark Time[/b] Least Favorite Part The artwork during KOTOR. Zayne's chin looked like it was sharp enough to kill someone. -----signature----- ANAKIN SOLO WON'T RETURN!
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JaySkywalker01 Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 7/11/08 6:15pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	This series makes me want to know more about Karness Murr himself. When did he live, what did he do and all that jazz? -----signature----- Jay: "Ben Franklin said, speak softly and carry a big stick!" Carnage: Uhm, Ben Franklin was more like "Speak Loud, Get Wasted, and use his "Stick" on French Women." Oh yeah....
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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 7/11/08 6:20pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 7/11/08 6:27pm Subject: RE: Vector: Halfway Home - Impressions, Reviews, Thoughts (Spoilers)
	JaySkywalker01 posted: This series makes me want to know more about Karness Murr himself. When did he live, what did he do and all that jazz? Which then makes me want to know more about The Hundred Years of Darkness, XoXann, and Darth Andeddu if he was one of the original Dark Jedi. Basically anything and everything that happened during this period. As for Vector? I'm quite enjoying it. It is neither more nor less than I hoped for so far. I don't feel any real misstep in the long arc outside of the questionable KoTOR art but that's a dead horse that needs no further beating. -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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