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rhonderoo
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Wait. He has the scar right after Geonosis? In this movie?
He got the scar from Asajj right before Obsession, and on that trip to Naboo is supposedly when she gets pregnant. In at least three sources: CW cartoon, Obsession, and...I'm forgetting the third. LOE?
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dp4m posted:
Anakin gets Knighted with the scar on that same trip.
Absolutely not. In previous continuity, there have been various blips in when Padme first saw the scar, but Anakin has never had the scar until after he was Knighted.
As it stood prior to the animated movie, Anakin got the scar in a duel with Ventress on Coruscant after the Battle of Rendili. Anakin was a knight during the Rendili mission and possibly for missions prior to that (though Plo Koon has presumably not seen him since his knighting ceremony).
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True. In every rendition, he's got long hair and recieved his title of Knight. I always put Jedi Trial, the end of CW1 and pre-LOE right there together, which means when Padme got pregnant (and first saw the scar in some kind of timeline), there wasn't much time left until ROTS and The End. Like 9 - 7 months.
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He does not have the scar in the Knighting ceremony itself. He doesn't have it during any of the scenes from the montage in Chapter 22 of the micro-series. He doesn't have it in DoR until the duel with Ventress.
He clearly has a number of missions and battles as a long-haired knight before the scarring. There's no reason to believe there isn't also a time-lapse between the scarring and his visit to Naboo where she first sees the scar. Finally, there's also no evidence that that visit is the one where she gets pregnant with Luke and Leia.
To say that his Knighting, the scarring, Padme first seeing the scar, and Padme getting pregnant all have to happen at the same time in order to work with existing canon is totally absurd.
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Right, he was Knighted (at least in one of the separate renditions - the only one we see) with no scar and short hair. The battles of Kamino and Jabiim, Obi-Wan's abduction and several other longer timeframes happen before his hair grows out between the end of AOTC and his knighting, or at least it looked that way. He's got long hair throughout a lot of the comics pre-scar, before he gets it in DoR. If I'm not mistaken, Obsession happens shortly after that issue of DoR, though and the timelapse gets shorter. Whether she gets pregnant at that time or not is irrelevant. What's relevant is that they're saying this is "right after Geonosis", and he has a scar. In the comics before, it looked like there was at least am 18-month/two-year timeframe between Geonosis and him getting the scar (which was after he was knighted).
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This may be a dumb question; what's to say he wasn't wounded in his fight with Dooku bad enough to get a scar on his face that heals and later gets cuts again by Ventress? I mean, if people really need this to fit, it's just a scar. It doesn't change the path Anakin takes in his life during the war.
Personally, I think him being a Knight throught he entire war makes his not getting Master status in RoTS all the more of a ball-kick, but that's me, and the scar thing...I mean, in the novels, people might not have commented on it and in the comics maybe he wears sythflesh or something to cover it at some point. I don't know. I mean...it's a scar. Maybe it's deeper when Padme sees it in RoTS.
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Eh, it's reaching, but it's not something that would make me not see the movie or not buy this book. It is one of those things that is real easy when you're talking about continuity, though. Like someone being in one room in a movie in a continuous scnene, and in the very next scene somewhere else.
I agree that it makes the council look even worse if he's been Knighted all this time.
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Yeah, I'd estimate that's at least 3-6 months of hair growth from an AOTC length to a Clone Wars length.
I guess my argument is that you shouldn't just be able to flip a switch and go "OK, now the character is like this." There needs to be some transition, especially given how much of a twit he was in AOTC. For better or worse, the existing Clone Wars stuff gave some of that transition. If it goes away, it's a much more jarring and silly segue.
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patchworkz7 posted:
This may be a dumb question; what's to say he wasn't wounded in his fight with Dooku bad enough to get a scar on his face that heals and later gets cuts again by Ventress? I mean, if people really need this to fit, it's just a scar. It doesn't change the path Anakin takes in his life during the war.
Personally, I think him being a Knight throught he entire war makes his not getting Master status in RoTS all the more of a ball-kick, but that's me, and the scar thing...I mean, in the novels, people might not have commented on it and in the comics maybe he wears sythflesh or something to cover it at some point. I don't know. I mean...it's a scar. Maybe it's deeper when Padme sees it in RoTS.
Which fight with Dooku, AOTC?
'cause, if so, definite no-go as he didn't have it at the end of the film... which is higher than anything else. 
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I'm just going by the hype right before ROTS (Anakin's scar) and Lucas saying he was going to leave it up to EU to explain it when asked in an interview. Then we get the tidy story in a comic and everything's gold. I guess I just don't see the need to purposely get away from it, when like you say, Patch...it's just a scar. Why have it in the movie?
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patchworkz7 posted:
This may be a dumb question; what's to say he wasn't wounded in his fight with Dooku bad enough to get a scar on his face that heals and later gets cuts again by Ventress?
I am officially opposed to any of the "he changed to the ROTS status quo and then changed back and then changed back again" explanations (e.g. "He was promoted to knight then became a padawan and then was knighted again!"). That's further than we should go to preserve continuity. I'd rather have an outright retcon than a really, really stupid continuity fix.
rhonderoo posted:
Right, he was Knighted (at least in one of the separate renditions - the only one we see) with no scar and short hair. The battles of Kamino and Jabiim, Obi-Wan's abduction and several other longer timeframes happen before his hair grows out between the end of AOTC and his knighting, or at least it looked that way. He's got long hair throughout a lot of the comics pre-scar, before he gets it in DoR. If I'm not mistaken, Obsession happens shortly after that issue of DoR, though and the timelapse gets shorter. Whether she gets pregnant at that time or not is irrelevant. What's relevant is that they're saying this is "right after Geonosis", and he has a scar. In the comics before, it looked like there was at least am 18-month/two-year timeframe between Geonosis and him getting the scar (which was after he was knighted).
Right, I was just arguing against the idea that all four things (knighting, scar, Padme seeing the scar, and Padme getting pregnant) needing to happen all at once, and against any chronology that puts the scar before the knighting.
The more I think about it, the more I think that the Anakin/Ventress duel will either not end up being the source of the scar, or it will be detached from DoR, which isn't as hard as one might think. It kind of comes out of nowhere as it is, and only involves the two duelists directly, and has no direct impact on the rest of the story. The bare bones of it is: Anakin is on Coruscant, he gets a message from Padme via Handmaiden, Ventress attacks him, he beats seven shades of **** out of her but she scars him. That could really happen at just about any point in the chronology after Ventress first becomes active and starts running into people.
The rest of DoR is less free-floating. It has to come later in the chronology, because Quin's whole fall to the dark side arc has to happen before that. It seems like the easiest fix to say that the Anakin/Asajj duel happens very early in the war, the rest of DoR happens at the current timeline placement, and just pretend Anakin has a scar and that Plo Koon doesn't congratulate him on his promotion.
Jabiim is trickier.
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rhonderoo posted:
I'm just going by the hype right before ROTS (Anakin's scar) and Lucas saying he was going to leave it up to EU to explain it when asked in an interview. Then we get the tidy story in a comic and everything's gold. I guess I just don't see the need to purposely get away from it, when like you say, Patch...it's just a scar. Why have it in the movie?
Bacta heals it later, or he has it fixed as he's a vain person. It's probable.
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dp4m posted:
patchworkz7 posted:
This may be a dumb question; what's to say he wasn't wounded in his fight with Dooku bad enough to get a scar on his face that heals and later gets cuts again by Ventress? I mean, if people really need this to fit, it's just a scar. It doesn't change the path Anakin takes in his life during the war.
Personally, I think him being a Knight throught he entire war makes his not getting Master status in RoTS all the more of a ball-kick, but that's me, and the scar thing...I mean, in the novels, people might not have commented on it and in the comics maybe he wears sythflesh or something to cover it at some point. I don't know. I mean...it's a scar. Maybe it's deeper when Padme sees it in RoTS.
Which fight with Dooku, AOTC?
'cause, if so, definite no-go as he didn't have it at the end of the film... which is higher than anything else.
Uhhh...well, that was a nice idea while it lasted. I had forgotten the ending of AoTC has the wedding and shows Anakin clearly sans scar.
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There's always the Dooku clone fight...
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oh, ugh, that. It really works much better if it's not a clone. Guy's already fought a Force-illusion Maul and I think he runs into a Force-illusion Vader later....
I'm actually kind of worried we're going to get "New Droid Army II: Electric Boogaloo" with the Jedi Alliance game, since the final fight is apparently with Dooku....
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