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Dark_jedi224  117 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 12:39pm Subject: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Did I miss something?
When, and more importantly why, did Luke(I'm guessing it was Luke since he called him a knight)make him a Jedi? The kid's like 14 and can do a few fancy tricks but come on, not kight material. Technically he had only been and apprentice for like 2 weeks while they were hiding out on Endor, and his master was a tad indisposed (wining his ass off) at the time.

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Rouge77  7450 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 12:41pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Just good old nepotism. plain

 

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Darth-Ghost  5690 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 1:42pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
I agree. They are forcing the character to grow up too fast. I think one of the books said he was almost as tall as Luke now? And he's going to bars and being hit on by girls in their twenties? He just turned 14! And almost became a Sith apprentice, having been trained in the "Jedi" ways by Jacen Solo! I hope they're doing this for a reason, to address this later, but I doubt it.

 

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Corax78  117 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 1:51pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Seriously his height at 14 bothers you? I was 6'2" at 14. Taller than all my classmates and all but one teacher in my school. I was well taller than my own mother and the same height as my dad. But oh no that's impossible Ben almost as tall as Luke? Come on Ben is considered a Jedi Knight b/c he survived Jacen's Sith training while becoming the moral compass for the entire New Jedi Order. Yeah he deservres to be knighted, but if you think it's nepotism pretend Saba knighted him wink

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 1:56pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight? - Date Edited: 7/6/08 1:57pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
Darth-Ghost posted:
I agree. They are forcing the character to grow up too fast.

Agreed. Ben being a knight is utterly ridiculous. So is his fourteen-year-old self being written as an young man of eighteen or so.

Darth-Ghost posted:

I think one of the books said he was almost as tall as Luke now?

I don't see why this is a complaint, however, since Luke is only 1.72 metres. I was probably that tall, or taller, when I was 14. (I'm an even 6'0'' now)

Mara's obviously just got some tall men on her side of the family. wink

 

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Darth-Ghost  5690 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 2:03pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight? - Date Edited: 7/6/08 2:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
Corax78 posted:
Seriously his height at 14 bothers you? I was 6'2" at 14. Taller than all my classmates and all but one teacher in my school. I was well taller than my own mother and the same height as my dad. But oh no that's impossible Ben almost as tall as Luke? Come on Ben is considered a Jedi Knight b/c he survived Jacen's Sith training while becoming the moral compass for the entire New Jedi Order. Yeah he deservres to be knighted, but if you think it's nepotism pretend Saba knighted him wink


It's not just his height, that's just one other thing that ticked me off if read my whole post, like they're trying to make you forget he's only 14 and not 21. I'm not sure if Jacen and Jaina had even begun their official Jedi training yet. Obi-wan being a padawan at 25 was average. Anakin feeling disappointed he wasn't a Knight yet at 20 was thought to be bad.

Being a Jedi Knight isn't about power levels, it's much more than that. Yes he came back to the light, and yes him knocking sense into Luke and redeeming Tahiri were great, but that's not enough. Reading INVINCIBLE, he was taking himself way too seriously, and still didn't seem to get some stuff, like Jaina remarking how Ben wasn't thinking like a Jedi when he ran away from them. The kid was trained on how to be a Jedi for most of his life by Jacen Solo, who clearly didn't know it himself or had lost sight of it by the time Ben's training began. He was definitely on the right path by the time LOTF ended, but he wasn't there yet.


BTW, maybe I should let you all know that I'm 5 feet 4 inches, 19 years old, and the tallest person in my family and out of my friends. wink

 

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Manisphere  2879 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 2:28pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Hmm...I found it pretty odd as well but I took referring to Ben as a Jedi the same way Corran Horn was a referred to as a Jedi by Luke after a few weeks on Yavin IV or how Leia was referred to as a Jedi years before she actually took on any serious training. But yeah, 14 is silly. Plain and simple. I would have liked him to make Jedi in a novel down the road for something that has nothing to do with Jacen, Tahiri or any of the Caedus debacle. For some story that is his own.

 

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Zorrixor  4299 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 2:42pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight? - Date Edited: 7/6/08 2:42pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
I agree with feeling he was too young to be knighted. I understood the logic, that he had overcome struggles some Jedi Knights never face in their entire lives, but I just can't get over the fact Anakin Skywalker was one of the youngest Knights of the Order... and he was a good six or seven years older.

Now, it could be seen as just the difference between the old order and the new, since the Solo kids got it in the late teens, but then I look at Leia, who was not a Jedi Knight until late in her life, and how even after all she had accomplished she still needed to complete formal training under Saba. If it wasn't for Leia having needed formal training I'd buy it. That was the one thing that just made me feel totally weirded out by Ben's promotion.

I can understand why they did it, since with so many characters dead after LOTF they want to be able to make Ben a leading character. Fine, makes sense, no complaints there. But I recall reading MF is set a few years after, is that correct or merely a rumour? If true, then it makes Ben's promotion feel unnecessary. If MF is immediately after the events of Invincible, then fine, but if its two or three years later then I don't feel they needed to rush it, could just have had it happen in MF itself instead.

 

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ChildOfWinds  6253 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 7:44pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Manisphere :
Hmm...I found it pretty odd as well but I took referring to Ben as a Jedi the same way Corran Horn was a referred to as a Jedi by Luke after a few weeks on Yavin IV or how Leia was referred to as a Jedi years before she actually took on any serious training.

Yes, that's the way I took it too. Better to call him a Jedi than a GAG member anyway. wink I'm sure Ben's not an official Jedi. The Solo twins were called Jedi knights in the Young Jedi Knights books even though they were really Jedi apprentices. They were 14 and 15 during the years those books took place, I believe. However, they weren't officially knighted until Destiny's Way, I think. Yet they were listed in the Dramatis Personnae as Jedi Knights already in Onslaught. I don't see this as all that different from Ben. I'm sure he's not yet considered to be a fully trained Jedi, just as Jaina and Jacen weren't, but were sometimes referred to as Jedi in the YJK books.

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I'm not sure if Jacen and Jaina had even begun their official Jedi training yet.

Yes, they were at the Jedi Academy at least by age 14, and Anakin was there with at age 11, I think.



 

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Corax78  117 posts
Registered: Jun '08
Date Posted: 7/6/08 9:00pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Darth-Ghost posted:
Corax78 posted:
Seriously his height at 14 bothers you? I was 6'2" at 14. Taller than all my classmates and all but one teacher in my school. I was well taller than my own mother and the same height as my dad. But oh no that's impossible Ben almost as tall as Luke? Come on Ben is considered a Jedi Knight b/c he survived Jacen's Sith training while becoming the moral compass for the entire New Jedi Order. Yeah he deservres to be knighted, but if you think it's nepotism pretend Saba knighted him wink


It's not just his height, that's just one other thing that ticked me off if read my whole post, like they're trying to make you forget he's only 14 and not 21. I'm not sure if Jacen and Jaina had even begun their official Jedi training yet. Obi-wan being a padawan at 25 was average. Anakin feeling disappointed he wasn't a Knight yet at 20 was thought to be bad.

Being a Jedi Knight isn't about power levels, it's much more than that. Yes he came back to the light, and yes him knocking sense into Luke and redeeming Tahiri were great, but that's not enough. Reading INVINCIBLE, he was taking himself way too seriously, and still didn't seem to get some stuff, like Jaina remarking how Ben wasn't thinking like a Jedi when he ran away from them. The kid was trained on how to be a Jedi for most of his life by Jacen Solo, who clearly didn't know it himself or had lost sight of it by the time Ben's training began. He was definitely on the right path by the time LOTF ended, but he wasn't there yet.


BTW, maybe I should let you all know that I'm 5 feet 4 inches, 19 years old, and the tallest person in my family and out of my friends. wink



See the whole height issue doesn't bother me; but I see where you are coming from with actually making him grow up. But if you want to get technical didn't Ben only get 5 years of training? But if you look at it Luke only trained for 4 years before he was a Jedi Knight.

 

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Darthbane2007  1373 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 9:32pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Corax78 posted:
Darth-Ghost posted:
Corax78 posted:
Seriously his height at 14 bothers you? I was 6'2" at 14. Taller than all my classmates and all but one teacher in my school. I was well taller than my own mother and the same height as my dad. But oh no that's impossible Ben almost as tall as Luke? Come on Ben is considered a Jedi Knight b/c he survived Jacen's Sith training while becoming the moral compass for the entire New Jedi Order. Yeah he deservres to be knighted, but if you think it's nepotism pretend Saba knighted him wink


It's not just his height, that's just one other thing that ticked me off if read my whole post, like they're trying to make you forget he's only 14 and not 21. I'm not sure if Jacen and Jaina had even begun their official Jedi training yet. Obi-wan being a padawan at 25 was average. Anakin feeling disappointed he wasn't a Knight yet at 20 was thought to be bad.

Being a Jedi Knight isn't about power levels, it's much more than that. Yes he came back to the light, and yes him knocking sense into Luke and redeeming Tahiri were great, but that's not enough. Reading INVINCIBLE, he was taking himself way too seriously, and still didn't seem to get some stuff, like Jaina remarking how Ben wasn't thinking like a Jedi when he ran away from them. The kid was trained on how to be a Jedi for most of his life by Jacen Solo, who clearly didn't know it himself or had lost sight of it by the time Ben's training began. He was definitely on the right path by the time LOTF ended, but he wasn't there yet.


BTW, maybe I should let you all know that I'm 5 feet 4 inches, 19 years old, and the tallest person in my family and out of my friends. wink



See the whole height issue doesn't bother me; but I see where you are coming from with actually making him grow up. But if you want to get technical didn't Ben only get 5 years of training? But if you look at it Luke only trained for 4 years before he was a Jedi Knight.


But of course Luke was the only Jedi left who had a chance against Vader and Palpatine.

 

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JaySkywalker01  1197 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 9:32pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
THe YJK books were what brought me into Star Wars EU and I'll always love them. Jacen, Jaina and Co. were all 14 when the series started. They acted nothing like Ben and their force powers were barely at adept level. Luke forbid them from even touching lightsabers for awhile.

They were, however, asked to construct lightsabers when they were 14. So was Ben. Obviously, Ben is more mature and far more skilled than the initiate twins were at this point. I imagine his title of Jedi Knight relates to the hierarchy of the NJO. They all have nicknames (Wampas, etc) untill they construct their lightsabers. Then, according to DNT, they don't have a nickname. All that's left to call them is a Jedi. Maybe that was all that Luke was doing.

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Trip  2356 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 10:50pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Well, see, in the Skywalker Order, people get knighted when Luke can't be bothered to deal with them any more. For the twins it came at age nineteen (it didn't come sooner mostly because he'd forgotten about the whole thing); for his son, he's older and has less patience (read: none), so he knights the kid at fourteen.

 

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QuentinGeorge  4759 posts
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Date Posted: 7/6/08 11:09pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Luke will knight his grandchild as soon as he's out of nappies.

 

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jedimaster203  989 posts
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Date Posted: 7/7/08 6:26am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Maybe Ben is a knight in the sense that Jacen, Jaina and Anakin were post YJK :P

 

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Jek_Windu  2164 posts
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Date Posted: 7/7/08 7:08am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
You mean full Knights until Del Rey decided to retcon it so they could have a tearful Knight-the-shellshocked-survivors scene?

 

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