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Volderon
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Jul '07
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7/7 7:37am
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Well he's a Skywalker and we all know that they're the only ones who are strong enough in the force to actually be a good Jedi. Might as well rename the Jedi Order into Skywalker Order. So he might as well be a Knight. Seriously there must be other young Knights that are very strong in the force who aren't a Skywalker in this New Jedi Order.
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Sirius_Scott
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7/7 7:39am
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Pretty much. I was thinking the same thing. The Solos were referred to as Knights as early as Dark Tide (if memory serves correctly).
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True, but that would take a small creative streak on DelRey's part. Jeeze man! They're a publisher, not God!
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marmkid
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i think Ben being refered to as a knight isnt terrible
i would like to see some more training for him though, he got sith training, and basically thats it
i agree he is further along than he normally would, just based on his unique experiences
but we cant level jump that far
as long as he goes on missions with a master, like Anakin and Obi Won in ROTS, i dont have a problem with them refering to him as a knight
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Nishka
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7/7 10:49am
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Volderon posted:
Well he's a Skywalker and we all know that they're the only ones who are strong enough in the force to actually be a good Jedi. Might as well rename the Jedi Order into Skywalker Order. So he might as well be a Knight. Seriously there must be other young Knights that are very strong in the force who aren't a Skywalker in this New Jedi Order.
I for one would love to read more about Valin Horn and Kolir Hu'lya my only problem with Ben being a considered a Jedi is that he was not shown that he was just that unique. Other than hiding oneself in the force. His abilities seem kinda of ordinary. At least not on the level of his grandfather, father, or cousins.
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Trip
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Jek_Windu posted:
You mean full Knights until Del Rey decided to retcon it so they could have a tearful Knight-the-shellshocked-survivors scene?
Probably not, since they weren't and Del Rey didn't.
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Dark_jedi224
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Since he was basically being a B**** until like 9, it is pretty remarkable how good he is. but still, Jacen trained him only up til Betrayl then was too busy doing his best High Chancellor Adam Sutler(V for Vendetta) imitation and black-baggin Corellians, so na he needs to spend a few years at the academy, maybe spit some game at the one girl who put the tracker on Jacen(and what the hell happened to her? she was in one book and then got everyone almost killed, then disappeared) then he'll be good. Maybe bring Jaina's cocky ass down a few levels.
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CoppiceThorne
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7/7 12:32pm
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There are always exceptions to rules, age-wise. I (personally) think he's emotionally mature enough and enduring enough to handle any responsibility that was to come his way now. I also think his kindness towards and belief in Tahiri -- at a crucial time where he likely changed her destiny, and maybe nobody else would have bothered -- demonstrated his worthiness to become a Knight. And he's more mature at 14 than I was by a long shot. So on you go Ben, I'll be cheering along the sidelines. 
Additionally...my observation of him is that he feels like a true Jedi. A kind, just person, who wants to do what is right. Like his father before him, he can see the good in people. I think his empathy can go a long way. I get the impression that he may not just condemn someone who has fallen to the dark side, I can see him having an enquiring mind -- wanting to know what makes someone tick. Always a good thing. I reckon he's going to get a lot of things right in future. He has the gift of far-sight.
Edit: And at least to me, he doesn't seem very selfish, nor self-absorbed like someone could be at that age. He also seems to easily befriend people. Ben's the sort of person (at least I think so) that one would like to have around -- bringing joy to any situation. He looks out for others = that's what it means to be a Jedi.
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Nishka
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CoppiceThorne posted:
There are always exceptions to rules, age-wise. I (personally) think he's emotionally mature enough and enduring enough to handle any responsibility that was to come his way now. I also think his kindness towards and belief in Tahiri -- at a crucial time where he likely changed her destiny, and maybe nobody else would have bothered -- demonstrated his worthiness to become a Knight. And he's more mature at 14 than I was by a long shot. So on you go Ben, I'll be cheering along the sidelines.
Additionally...my observation of him is that he feels like a true Jedi. A kind, just person, who wants to do what is right. Like his father before him, he can see the good in people. I think his empathy can go a long way. I get the impression that he may not just condemn someone who has fallen to the dark side, I can see him having an enquiring mind -- wanting to know what makes someone tick. Always a good thing. I reckon he's going to get a lot of things right in future. He has the gift of far-sight.
Edit: And at least to me, he doesn't seem very selfish, nor self-absorbed like someone could be at that age. He also seems to easily befriend people. Ben's the sort of person (at least I think so) that one would like to have around -- bringing joy to any situation. He looks out for others = that's what it means to be a Jedi.
I agree with everything you have stated but he's not just a jedi he's a skywalker. And up to this point he seems to ordinary to be a knight let alone a skywalker in my opinion.
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JaySkywalker01
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Nishka posted:
CoppiceThorne posted:
There are always exceptions to rules, age-wise. I (personally) think he's emotionally mature enough and enduring enough to handle any responsibility that was to come his way now. I also think his kindness towards and belief in Tahiri -- at a crucial time where he likely changed her destiny, and maybe nobody else would have bothered -- demonstrated his worthiness to become a Knight. And he's more mature at 14 than I was by a long shot. So on you go Ben, I'll be cheering along the sidelines.
Additionally...my observation of him is that he feels like a true Jedi. A kind, just person, who wants to do what is right. Like his father before him, he can see the good in people. I think his empathy can go a long way. I get the impression that he may not just condemn someone who has fallen to the dark side, I can see him having an enquiring mind -- wanting to know what makes someone tick. Always a good thing. I reckon he's going to get a lot of things right in future. He has the gift of far-sight.
Edit: And at least to me, he doesn't seem very selfish, nor self-absorbed like someone could be at that age. He also seems to easily befriend people. Ben's the sort of person (at least I think so) that one would like to have around -- bringing joy to any situation. He looks out for others = that's what it means to be a Jedi.
I agree with everything you have stated but he's not just a jedi he's a skywalker. And up to this point he seems to ordinary to be a knight let alone a skywalker in my opinion.
Too ordinary to be a Skywalker? I'm not sure what you mean by that. One might say the same of Bantha Rawk (Nat Skywalker) He's your average family man enjoying his life and attempting to live in peace. Skywalker is a name you're born with; not one you earn. Just because I'm related to someone famous or amazing doesn't mean I am required to go and make myself the same as them.
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Nishka
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Nishka posted:
[quote=CoppiceThorne]I agree with everything you have stated but he's not just a jedi he's a skywalker. And up to this point he seems to ordinary to be a knight let alone a skywalker in my opinion.
Too ordinary to be a Skywalker? I'm not sure what you mean by that. One might say the same of Bantha Rawk (Nat Skywalker) He's your average family man enjoying his life and attempting to live in peace. Skywalker is a name you're born with; not one you earn. Just because I'm related to someone famous or amazing doesn't mean I am required to go and make myself the same as them.
Maybe I can explain better. The Skywalker clan is immensely powerful, and from all members that we have seen have a unique relationship when it comes to the force. Plus you are adding into the mix Mara Jade's bloodline. The authors have teased us with what he is capable of (Dark Nest, hiding ones self from the force, Caedus interest in him) but I don't think we have scene his true potential.
I agree just because he is born into a family doesn't mean he has to live up to his parents or more specifically his father but to be considered a Jedi Knight at 14 seems a bit of a stretch to me. He needs more training and time to still grow.
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CoppiceThorne
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I guess that Ben is just being good old Ben -- being true to who he is (whatever that means to him, and whatever that entails, which is often unexplainable, but one understands the feeling when one consciously tries to keep it close). He's still got a lot of life to live. Each new circumstance, like an opportunity, will bring more depth to his spirit and his outlook. By the time he is in his twenties, he'll shine all the brighter. And by the time he's 40-50 -- a powerhouse. One may have a lot of energy when one is young, but I like to think perhaps we grow more interesting and powerful as we grow old. The thing I see with him becoming a Knight is: that just like with Tahiri, the first step is to place trust in someone. The Masters have to do this. Sure, the person you place your trust in could break it or not be up to the task, but if the pros are better than the cons then one can only give the person a chance. Even unlikely candidates can prove to be extremely deserving of such a decision -- but it may not be proved so overnight. One grows into one's role. So Ben has been given a chance, it'll be fun to find out what he does, and how he goes with it. He's a pretty safe option -- the Masters could have done far worse. I mean...anyone could turn out to be a Sith. Even your friendly greengrocer.
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Volderon
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Honestly, Ben does not seem like a Jedi is the right path for him...I don't know how to explain it, but everytime I read about him, something in my mind says "I don't think this Jedi thing is going to work out for him."
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CoppiceThorne
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That's an interesting perspective. You might be onto something there.
His non-Jedi experiences, such as with GAG (and others) have given him other ways of looking at things. The more varied the experiences the better. Always good for a Jedi (and yet for anything else as well). Whatever role in life he ultimately chooses, he'll bring something different to the table. Everybody does.
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Volderon posted:
Honestly, Ben does not seem like a Jedi is the right path for him...I don't know how to explain it, but everytime I read about him, something in my mind says "I don't think this Jedi thing is going to work out for him."
That actually makes sense. Lots actually. I do wish they'd use Corran Horn once in a while. The Jedi Master was once a non Force using one man Corsec and Rogue Squadron phenomenon. He and Ben would get on quite nicely. I would think as Master and apprentice as well.
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Ice1605
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He is young, yes, perhaps too young. But, sort of like how Luke went from a moisture farmer to a Jedi Knight in about 4 years, Ben had to grow up quickly to survive, with Jacen's influence and all. Luke had to, and did, acquire a lot of power in a short amount of time, with a minimum of training. Ability to adjust to various situations is a trait that Ben shares with his father, IMHO.
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