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Volderon  279 posts
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Date Posted: 7/13/08 1:27pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight? - Date Edited: 7/13/08 1:29pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Volderon
CadderlySoaring posted:
As said, the terms "Jedi Knight", "Jedi Apprentice" and errr...."Trainee?" are very...very loose under Luke's regime.

Perhaps the Vong Invasion officially stopped such protocols due to the chaos that ensued but ever since Luke sent a bunch of non-official "Knights" on a deadly mission, it can be said that the Jedi levels are loosely followed.

But there's nothing wrong with that, I think. Luke was doing everything on a wing and a prayer earlier on without guidance. Neither Yoda nor Obi Wan never told them about the ways of the Old Republic Jedi Order...and perhaps they had their reasons.

Since it ultimately failed.


And because that order failed, I beleive in Legacy they should leave the decisions to Luke's NJO instead of listening to those old Clone Wars Jedi about "doing nothing and waiting." In case they hadn't noticed, they're in the future now, it's a different galaxy.

I just hope they don't screw with Ben Skywalker's character, if they have in a future book that Ben goes to the dark side or some garbage like that, it's gonna suck. I'd even like it if he weren't a jedi at all, I think that would make for some sweet stories.

 

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CadderlySoaring  121 posts
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Date Posted: 7/13/08 5:24pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
I think you are correct, Voldy.

I think the closest Ben will ever get to the Dark Side is what we have seen in the LOTF series. If anything, after all the fan complaints, I'm willing to bet that Ben Skywalker will always be a shining beacon of light to continue the Skywalker Legacy from this point forward.

Of course, I could be wrong. I'm just stating my opinion and backing you up with your fears stated above.

But from recent quotes of Sue over at the V-Cap threads, Del Rey and LFL seem to be listening from the complaints of LOTF. They're targeting "escapism" now with the upcoming novel of Jame Luceno's MF novel.

Fate of the Jedi (Number 1) has a ringing tone by author Aaron Allston but I bet it has Ben as a true light side Jedi looking to keep the trend towards the light while all of the Jedi deal with the repercussions of post-Caedus.

 

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rumsmuggler  18347 posts
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Date Posted: 7/13/08 8:57pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
JaySkywalker01 posted:
Nishka posted:
Anakin though went to the praxium at 11 though


He'd still be considered "too old to begin the training" by OJO standards. I wonder why Anakin got to go earlier? ah well....


Possibly because he was the strongest of the three and maybe he wanted to go since the academy had students his age there as well.

 

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JaySkywalker01  1197 posts
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Date Posted: 7/14/08 10:07am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
rumsmuggler posted:
JaySkywalker01 posted:
Nishka posted:
Anakin though went to the praxium at 11 though


He'd still be considered "too old to begin the training" by OJO standards. I wonder why Anakin got to go earlier? ah well....


Possibly because he was the strongest of the three and maybe he wanted to go since the academy had students his age there as well.


He caught a glimpse of this blonde girl from Tatooine one day and that was it!

While the twins attended the academy at age 14, Anakin would send them holo messages from home. Hadn't he already been to the academy and shouldn't the time the twins spent there overlapped with his? Oh well, that's completely off-topic isn't it?

 

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rumsmuggler  18347 posts
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Date Posted: 7/14/08 10:36am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight? - Date Edited: 7/14/08 10:40am (2 edits total) Edited By: rumsmuggler
He caught a glimpse of this blonde girl from Tatooine one day and that was it!

Yep, pretty much..

As for the overlap, it really isn't an issue. He went to the academy a few months after Jacen and Jaina did. His siblings, Tahiri, the rest of the YJK crew, and his uncle was there, so he was in good hands and in good company as well.


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anakin_Solo#Search_for_the_Golden_Globe


As far as Ben, i'd love to see him as a Jedi private detective and/or as a covert ops/special forces type Jedi. He already has the training for it, so he might as well use it from time to time.

 

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fanboyskywalker  1270 posts
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Date Posted: 7/14/08 11:35am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Ben should NEVER EVEN go to the dark side. We just went through that with Jacen. Ben should be like Luke in the OT or Obi-Wan in the PT. A beacon for the light side. Like Anakin Solo would have been.

 

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Xiphos  107 posts
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Date Posted: 7/14/08 9:42pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
I think Ben had a chance to go to the dark side and might have, had he not seen Jacen interogate Ailyn and heard him kill her. Ben held Jacen in that category where some kids do with heros. You know, they wanna be just like there hero. Had it stayed like that, Ben would've been easy to manipulate and he could've fallen to the dark side.

 

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marmkid  2464 posts
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Date Posted: 7/15/08 6:23am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Xiphos posted:
I think Ben had a chance to go to the dark side and might have, had he not seen Jacen interogate Ailyn and heard him kill her. Ben held Jacen in that category where some kids do with heros. You know, they wanna be just like there hero. Had it stayed like that, Ben would've been easy to manipulate and he could've fallen to the dark side.



i agree with that
ben was at his early stages of his force awareness and education, so he would have been able to be twisted without even realizing it

since he survived and came through that without falling dark, i think he shouldnt really ever be tempted much again

 

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Nishka  200 posts
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Date Posted: 7/15/08 8:25am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
It would be nice if in the next novel after Legacy of the force. Ben is a bit older and is the main star. I think it would help a lot for us to just see an author completly describe what Ben is capable of. If he is the future of the Jedi, just run with it.

 

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CadderlySoaring  121 posts
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Date Posted: 7/15/08 8:33am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Well, Nishka, the next novel is technically MF and while the summary says it has Luke pondering what to do, Sue and the summary has said it's basically an adventure with Han, Leia and Allana...two years after LOTF.

But...There's already a new book (of a possibly series) called Fate of the Jedi 1 by Aaron Allston planned for next March.

The name of that novel (possible series) implies it could very well center on Ben, Luke, Jaina and the Jedi Order.

 

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JaySkywalker01  1197 posts
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Date Posted: 7/15/08 8:37am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
Nishka posted:
It would be nice if in the next novel after Legacy of the force. Ben is a bit older and is the main star. I think it would help a lot for us to just see an author completly describe what Ben is capable of. If he is the future of the Jedi, just run with it.


No more jumping around! We already had to miss basically the entirety of the Solo children's 20s. I always thought that would be their finest hour but NOO they just skipped it. At least Ben being a young Jedi Knight at this point allows us to keep to a certain point in the timeline without having to jump ahead.I don't want to hear that 80 is the new 20 this time or something like that...The more we jump around the closer we get to Legacy.

I don't want stories about Ben having to find Hospice care or an assisted living on Coruscant for his senile father....

Oh and there's been mention of how Leia was knighted two or three times. I personally never saw things that way. I might have to go read it again, but in the Correlian trilogy, Luke gave Leia a lightsaber he made and told her she had as much right to carry it as anyone else, because she acted as a Jedi in her own way, as the chief of state. In my mind, that's like giving someone an honorary diploma from a University. Doesn't mean they actually GRADUATED. When Leia approaches Saba for training, she decides to actually take the classes and earn her own diploma, I.e. construct a lightsaber. Even though Luke called her a Jedi, she hadn't earned it through training, just through her actions. Sort of like how Kyle Katarn told Rosh Penin he was a Jedi in the DS ending of JA. Rosh hadn't completed his training, but he had acted as a Jedi.

I'm sure Luke sees exactly the same thing in his son, therefore he refers to him as such without having actually completed the training. An "Honorary" Jedi, if you will....

 

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Nishka  200 posts
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Date Posted: 7/15/08 9:39am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
JaySkywalker01 posted:
Nishka posted:
It would be nice if in the next novel after Legacy of the force. Ben is a bit older and is the main star. I think it would help a lot for us to just see an author completly describe what Ben is capable of. If he is the future of the Jedi, just run with it.


No more jumping around! We already had to miss basically the entirety of the Solo children's 20s. I always thought that would be their finest hour but NOO they just skipped it. At least Ben being a young Jedi Knight at this point allows us to keep to a certain point in the timeline without having to jump ahead.I don't want to hear that 80 is the new 20 this time or something like that...The more we jump around the closer we get to Legacy.

I don't want stories about Ben having to find Hospice care or an assisted living on Coruscant for his senile father....

Oh and there's been mention of how Leia was knighted two or three times. I personally never saw things that way. I might have to go read it again, but in the Correlian trilogy, Luke gave Leia a lightsaber he made and told her she had as much right to carry it as anyone else, because she acted as a Jedi in her own way, as the chief of state. In my mind, that's like giving someone an honorary diploma from a University. Doesn't mean they actually GRADUATED. When Leia approaches Saba for training, she decides to actually take the classes and earn her own diploma, I.e. construct a lightsaber. Even though Luke called her a Jedi, she hadn't earned it through training, just through her actions. Sort of like how Kyle Katarn told Rosh Penin he was a Jedi in the DS ending of JA. Rosh hadn't completed his training, but he had acted as a Jedi.

I'm sure Luke sees exactly the same thing in his son, therefore he refers to him as such without having actually completed the training. An "Honorary" Jedi, if you will....


I was just thinking more along the line of Ben being like 17 or 18 not 15 in the book. Not much of a jump. As for leia to me she didn't become a jedi knight until finishing her training with Saba and joining the order

 

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rumsmuggler  18347 posts
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Date Posted: 7/15/08 11:21am Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
JaySkywalker01 posted:

Oh and there's been mention of how Leia was knighted two or three times. I personally never saw things that way. I might have to go read it again, but in the Correlian trilogy, Luke gave Leia a lightsaber he made and told her she had as much right to carry it as anyone else, because she acted as a Jedi in her own way, as the chief of state. In my mind, that's like giving someone an honorary diploma from a University. Doesn't mean they actually GRADUATED. When Leia approaches Saba for training, she decides to actually take the classes and earn her own diploma, I.e. construct a lightsaber. Even though Luke called her a Jedi, she hadn't earned it through training, just through her actions. Sort of like how Kyle Katarn told Rosh Penin he was a Jedi in the DS ending of JA. Rosh hadn't completed his training, but he had acted as a Jedi.

I'm sure Luke sees exactly the same thing in his son, therefore he refers to him as such without having actually completed the training. An "Honorary" Jedi, if you will....


As far as Leia goes, she was a Knight or at least an upper level apprentice in Dark Empire. Then over the years she bounced back and forth, which was pretty annoying to me, but she was Head of State and her path as Jedi was put on the back burner. You are right about Leia getting her act together and officially joining the family business when she asked Saba to train her and be a full on and legit Jedi Knight. That moment made me a happy reader.

 

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Nishka  200 posts
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Date Posted: 7/15/08 9:29pm Subject: RE: Ben Skywalker: Jedi Knight?
rumsmuggler posted:
JaySkywalker01 posted:

Oh and there's been mention of how Leia was knighted two or three times. I personally never saw things that way. I might have to go read it again, but in the Correlian trilogy, Luke gave Leia a lightsaber he made and told her she had as much right to carry it as anyone else, because she acted as a Jedi in her own way, as the chief of state. In my mind, that's like giving someone an honorary diploma from a University. Doesn't mean they actually GRADUATED. When Leia approaches Saba for training, she decides to actually take the classes and earn her own diploma, I.e. construct a lightsaber. Even though Luke called her a Jedi, she hadn't earned it through training, just through her actions. Sort of like how Kyle Katarn told Rosh Penin he was a Jedi in the DS ending of JA. Rosh hadn't completed his training, but he had acted as a Jedi.

I'm sure Luke sees exactly the same thing in his son, therefore he refers to him as such without having actually completed the training. An "Honorary" Jedi, if you will....


As far as Leia goes, she was a Knight or at least an upper level apprentice in Dark Empire. Then over the years she bounced back and forth, which was pretty annoying to me, but she was Head of State and her path as Jedi was put on the back burner. You are right about Leia getting her act together and officially joining the family business when she asked Saba to train her and be a full on and legit Jedi Knight. That moment made me a happy reader.


Me too was a very long time in coming for Leia. I guess the distinction is Ben being called a Jedi or a Jedi Knight. As for him being a Jedi I do agree with that but him being a Knight I just have an issue with.

 

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