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marmkid
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Apr '01
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7/8 11:53am
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GS335 posted:
Obi Wan did not face the trials either and he was Knighted a Jedi.
Obi Wan and Anakin were both Knighted Jedi, because they both did extraordinary things (Obi Wan defeating a sith lord, the first Jedi to do that in a 1000 years, and Anakin's heroism in the Clone Wars).
There are exceptions made when Padawans (or trainees) do extraordinary things.
i guess the question is whether or not Ben has done extraordinary things
personally, i would say that he isnt ready to be a knight yet
but its not exactly clear cut
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ChildOfWinds
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marmkid
i guess the question is whether or not Ben has done extraordinary things
personally, i would say that he isnt ready to be a knight yet
but its not exactly clear cut
I still think Ben needs some Jedi training, and I hope Luke will finish that training.
That said though, he does know at least a couple of Force skills that many others don't. Jacen taught him how to "hide" in the Force and Ben even taught his father how to do it. (Then Luke expanded on that skill by hiding from all but ONE.) Perhaps Jacen taught Ben other things.
We also know that Ben, along with Luke, healed his mother of her Vong illness on the day he was born. Even Cilghal had been unable to help Luke heal Mara. That was why we all knew from the beginning that Ben was going to be powerful.
And, at the age of 14, Ben Skywalker has already redeemed a Sith apprentice. I would say that's pretty impressive.
I think Ben still has a long way to go, but the signs are there that he may someday be a very good Jedi, one that will make his father proud. I just hope Ben continues to develop well.
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Nishka
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Date Posted:
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Seha was the young girl who led Kyle Katarn, Valin Horn, Thann Mithric and Kolir Hu'lya in their attempt to subdue Darth Caedus. She led the group through the underbelly of Coruscant and then attached the "beacon" to Caedus' cape and then saved Kyle Katarn. She also betrayed the order in earlier books by working for Jacen in earlier novels.
I agree that the signs of Ben show him to be on his way to becoming a very accomplished jedi knight in his own right. I guess my only gripe as other people have stated before in previous posts is the writer's unwilling to commit to A: a standard defintion of when one becomes a knight and B: developing the back story of new characters in their study of becoming a Jedi.
All this would have really required was a few scenes spread out through the novels of Ben learning from his elders. Ala the way Jacen learned from Luke during Vector Prime or Anakin learning from Mara in Dark tide 1.
The last time we saw Ben in my recollection of any sort of training was from Jacen during betrayal
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marmkid
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Nishka posted:
Seha was the young girl who led Kyle Katarn, Valin Horn, Thann Mithric and Kolir Hu'lya in their attempt to subdue Darth Caedus. She led the group through the underbelly of Coruscant and then attached the "beacon" to Caedus' cape and then saved Kyle Katarn. She also betrayed the order in earlier books by working for Jacen in earlier novels.
I agree that the signs of Ben show him to be on his way to becoming a very accomplished jedi knight in his own right. I guess my only gripe as other people have stated before in previous posts is the writer's unwilling to commit to A: a standard defintion of when one becomes a knight and B: developing the back story of new characters in their study of becoming a Jedi.
All this would have really required was a few scenes spread out through the novels of Ben learning from his elders. Ala the way Jacen learned from Luke during Vector Prime or Anakin learning from Mara in Dark tide 1.
The last time we saw Ben in my recollection of any sort of training was from Jacen during betrayal
ok now i remember her
i didnt see that as a mission so much in the regular sense for jedi knights
i saw that as more of she had special knowledge to get close to Caedus
it wouldnt have mattered if she were a jedi or not to pick her for that role
i agree completely with your gripes
it seemed like that is what they were trying to do at the beginning of the NJO
but that all shouldnt be abandoned completely when a war starts
are we to think all these padawans are just sitting at the academy waiting for their masters to return to resume their training?
i think it should be set up like, you are in group training at the academy until you are ready for a master and advanced one on one training
once you are, you should be able to accompany your master on missions
then you do this until you are ready for the trials, whatever they are
i think Ben got some training with Luke, but if i remember, it wasnt much at all
you are right, his only real training is with a sith lord
not exactly perfect jedi education
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morrison85
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It sounded like he received Academy training , but since he has been at the GAG he wasn't comfortable with it anymore.
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Nishka
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morrison85 posted:
It sounded like he received Academy training , but since he has been at the GAG he wasn't comfortable with it anymore.
I think you right he did but didn't take any of the tests (Tempest) which I guess is part of the process to become an apprentice during the sparring scene with Luke. Luke goes on and on about how Ben is being taught properly and that he needs to take on a master. Then nearly four books later Ben is being treated like a Knight. Just more glaring holes from author to author.
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Manisphere posted:
Volderon posted:
Honestly, Ben does not seem like a Jedi is the right path for him...I don't know how to explain it, but everytime I read about him, something in my mind says "I don't think this Jedi thing is going to work out for him."
That actually makes sense. Lots actually. I do wish they'd use Corran Horn once in a while. The Jedi Master was once a non Force using one man Corsec and Rogue Squadron phenomenon. He and Ben would get on quite nicely. I would think as Master and apprentice as well.
You know, that's actually a great idea. And Ben's detective bent would play right in to time with Corran. I'd love to see Ben at least spend time with him, if not become his apprentice.
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Darth-Ghost
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I think if Ben does stay in the police/spy/detective Jedi role, then a good enemy for future series could be the rebirth of the Black Sun criminal organization, which we know has come back by the time of the Legacy comics. I think bringing the underworld back to Star Wars, and keeping the Jedi-Sith conflict to the background for the time in between LOTF and Legacy, could be good and interesting. I love the Sith, but they can't be everywhere in all time periods.
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Earthknight
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^I'd buy those books. Ben the noir like crime fighter like Dick Tracy. Fighting and arresting criminals. That would be some awesome reading  .
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dizfactor
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Corran Horn with Ben Skywalker as his apprentice, investigating Black Sun? I'm so there. That is the best idea I've heard for Ben's post-LOTF future.
One thing I do like about Ben's GAG past is that it really makes him his mother's son as well as his father's. Sure, he's a Skywalker with all the potential yada yada yada, but he was also the naive follower/personal assassin of a fascist Sith Lord, just like Mom.
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marmkid
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dizfactor posted:
Corran Horn with Ben Skywalker as his apprentice, investigating Black Sun? I'm so there. That is the best idea I've heard for Ben's post-LOTF future.
One thing I do like about Ben's GAG past is that it really makes him his mother's son as well as his father's. Sure, he's a Skywalker with all the potential yada yada yada, but he was also the naive follower/personal assassin of a fascist Sith Lord, just like Mom.
i would buy that series in a second too
its about time we saw corran with an apprentice
for as annoying as he can be, i do like his charactor
that is an interesting parallel with Mara, ben's got a little dirt on him now, just like mom
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sgtelias31
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Well since Allston is writing the next book after MF, it's a possibility the Corran and Ben would have screen time together.
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UltimateMandalore
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sgtelias31 posted:
Well since Allston is writing the next book after MF, it's a possibility the Corran and Ben would have screen time together.
He is? You mean Fate of the Jedi? We don't know what time it is set in yet. Won't Ben be about 18 in MF? Isn't it about 3-4 years after LOTF?
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CadderlySoaring
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According to Sue, MF is 2 years after LotF so Ben will be 17, I believe.
As you say, we're still not sure whether Aaron's FotJ:Book 1 will be post-LOTF but it's a good bet it will be. It's not an X-Wing novel (which sometimes focused on the past) and Aaron is someone caught up with the current timeline.
Until we get an official press release/announcement, Aaron, Sue and Del Rey will stay mum on what timeframe it is exactly though.
I'm guessing it's post-LOTF and likely a year after MF (or during the same time frame).
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JaySkywalker01
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CadderlySoaring posted:
According to Sue, MF is 2 years after LotF so Ben will be 17, I believe.
As you say, we're still not sure whether Aaron's FotJ:Book 1 will be post-LOTF but it's a good bet it will be. It's not an X-Wing novel (which sometimes focused on the past) and Aaron is someone caught up with the current timeline.
Until we get an official press release/announcement, Aaron, Sue and Del Rey will stay mum on what timeframe it is exactly though.
I'm guessing it's post-LOTF and likely a year after MF (or during the same time frame).
If he is 17, then he must SURELY be a Jedi Master by MF 
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