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Ackbar_Van_Gungan Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 11/20/08 8:23am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	The planet in question is ambiguous, the only descriptor being "Someplace else" or "Somewhere else" or something similar. We will see if Lucien's Vineyard ever reappears. But I honestly wouldn't mind if it doesn't. Make my theory of a metaphysical Jedi heaven and the Sith hell all the more plausible. Also, JJM are any of those 3 jedi we see prominently at Lucien's Vineyard Jedi we have seen before? -The Rebel Gungan -----signature----- My SFF blog: http://www.yetistomper.blogspot.com/ 1st Post= Golden Ewok™ No Prize! Unfortunate Sacred Slab of the Church of Waru -Curator of the Byss Orbiting Holographic History of Space Flight Museum
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TNPredsFan Title: FF Chapter Rep Memphis, TN Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 11/20/08 8:24am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	DarthStymi posted: Anyone know if he will continue with the series now that the "main" story is complete? Brian's not drawing at least the next 3 issues. Bong Dazo is drawing #36 & #37, and Dean Zachary is drawing #38. Brian drew the cover for #38, though. I like Brian's work as well and would like to see him continue, but I'm excited about Dean's opportunity with the series. I love the sketches that he has posted on his website of Zayne and Jarael. -----signature----- "I hate it when people I hate make sense." - Jarael, KotOR Webmaster for: http://www.memphisfanforce.com/ http://www.linworkman.com/ http://www.midsouthcartoonists.com/
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DarthStymi Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 11/20/08 8:34am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 11/20/08 8:40am (2 edits total) Edited By: DarthStymi
	Yeah, I saw Ching would not be around for those issues. If I am remembering correctly, I think my last impression of Bong's work was that is was too cartoon-ish for KoTOR (hope I'm not confusing his work with somebody else's). I will have to check out Dean's website though. Thanks! Anyone have any insider scoop if Ching will return? -----signature----- "...the first condition of the hero's journey is recociliation with the grave."-Joseph Campbell Mando'ad draar digu.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/20/08 9:31am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	My biggest issue is that Zayne doesn't get to be a Jedi Knight. While I know that he's a Jedi Knight in everything BUT name and will continue to act like a Jedi Knight, the fact is that the last thing we need in the EU is a nother Jolee Bendu. I was hoping to see a genuine Jedi Knight we could root for. sigh So disappointing.
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Ackbar_Van_Gungan Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 11/20/08 10:04am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Charlemagne19 posted: My biggest issue is that Zayne doesn't get to be a Jedi Knight. While I know that he's a Jedi Knight in everything BUT name and will continue to act like a Jedi Knight, the fact is that the last thing we need in the EU is a nother Jolee Bendu. I was hoping to see a genuine Jedi Knight we could root for. sigh So disappointing. What is he missing out by not being an official Jedi Knight, C19? He's aquitted by the order, the bounty is gone, he was offered Knighthood (I think). The only thing he is giving up is whatever ties the Jedi order has to the Republic and any financial benefits that are tied to that. You can still be a saint without being a priest... If anything, it's perfectly within Zayne's character. He wasn't fitting into the ideal Jedi mold since the very beginning. He was a victim of lofty ideals at the expense of individual identity. He is most likely angry with the order for betraying and not believing him, covering up his heroic actions when he almost single handedly took down Haazen and the covenant, etc. There is no reason why he should want to turn his back on his friends, the only people who stuck with him through the hardest time of his life, only to join the hypocrites that let the crisis/crimes happen in the first place. It's good characterization. Zayne joining the order would have cliche. He agrees with the Jedi ideals, he just doesn't want to get caught up in order politics at the expense of the Zayne's of the universe. I just don't see what you are critizing. Decisions within previous characterization? This isn't LOTF, Charles. Were you expecting Gryph to be named COS? -The Rebel Gungan -----signature----- My SFF blog: http://www.yetistomper.blogspot.com/ 1st Post= Golden Ewok™ No Prize! Unfortunate Sacred Slab of the Church of Waru -Curator of the Byss Orbiting Holographic History of Space Flight Museum
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HedecGa Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 11/20/08 10:29am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Wow, this was pretty amazing. What a fantastic finale. You know, truly whenever I think about JJM, I think about his comedy. He writes great comedy (and if you're not reading his Sword & Sarcasm strip, you should) but it's issues like this one that really remind me how he can write some powerful drama, as well. I thought the end was very poignant and Lucien was a stand-out character this issue. I've never really given much thought to him before, he was just that crazy guy chasing Zayne, but I found himself really investing in him--and that's just in one issue! So, you know, pretty crazy turnaround. Now, a couple things: Am I supposed to know what that planet is at the end? I'm still left wondering if Lucien's monologue at the end is supposed to be a nod to us saying, "Oh, you only thought I was going to be Sion, but in fact, Dear Reader, I'm choosing a different life for myself" or if it was supposed to be this sad irony that he thinks he's risen above that "Sion part" of himself, only to succumb to it later. Both are effective...but I'm not sure which one is the intent here. -----signature----- "The Coming Evil, Book One: The Strange Man" available NOW at http://www.thecomingevil.blogspot.com Author of the Dusty Duck databank entry - The 71st "Greatest Thing About Star Wars...Ever!" - SW Insider 100 Co-author of the Silya Shessaun databank
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/20/08 10:34am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	I just don't see what you are critizing. Decisions within previous characterization? This isn't LOTF, Charles. Were you expecting Gryph to be named COS? Because the Jedi Order NEEDS him.
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Jedi Merkurian Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 11/20/08 10:47am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	It's exactly because they need him -and don't have Masters & Knights like him- that the Jedi Order ends up like it does during the events of the two KotOR games. -----signature----- Striking down can result in common side effects including fear, anger, aggresion, nausea, dry mouth, hatred, suffering, headaches, IBS, & in some extreme cases has been linked to lava burns Please consult your doctor before striking anyone down
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/20/08 10:56am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Jedi Merkurian posted: It's exactly because they need him -and don't have Masters & Knights like him- that the Jedi Order ends up like it does during the events of the two KotOR games. Yes, which is why I'm disappointed.
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goraq Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 11/20/08 11:10am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	I am happy Zayne decided to be a wanderer,instead of being a usual jedi. -----signature----- ,,Power is tearing human minds apart and putting them back together in new shapes of your own choosing. ,,
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TNPredsFan Title: FF Chapter Rep Memphis, TN Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 11/20/08 11:16am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Charlemagne19 posted: I just don't see what you are critizing. Decisions within previous characterization? This isn't LOTF, Charles. Were you expecting Gryph to be named COS? Because the Jedi Order NEEDS him. But the Order doesn't DESERVE him. Why should he show any loyalty to an order that failed him? -----signature----- "I hate it when people I hate make sense." - Jarael, KotOR Webmaster for: http://www.memphisfanforce.com/ http://www.linworkman.com/ http://www.midsouthcartoonists.com/
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DarthStymi Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 11/20/08 11:29am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	I'm for Zayne going his own way as well. Not only b/c they didn't help him when he needed help (not to mention hunting him down and trying to kill him), but because his decision feels, to me at least, more in line with how his character has developed. -----signature----- "...the first condition of the hero's journey is recociliation with the grave."-Joseph Campbell Mando'ad draar digu.
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/20/08 11:51am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Even more fundamentally than that - he's still a Jedi, just not a Knight. And Zayne would never have made a good Knight; he's absolutely right on that count. It's not in his character. That's what makes him the character we love. The fact that the Order isn't one that has a place for someone like him - which it doesn't - says plenty about the order. That Zayne rightly chooses not to be a Knight in an order where his conscience says he doesn't fit... that says that Zayne is indeed the man of character that we've found him to be. I'd be borderline appalled if he just up and joined the order. It wouldn't fit with his character, because it would not be an action of character. -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/20/08 11:54am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	I don't like the idea of the Jedi Order being this hopelessly flawed and need to be destroyed group. They're still heroes at heart. It's Malak whose group are thoroughly evil and will be consumed by their own hatred.
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DarthStymi Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 11/20/08 11:59am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Master_Keralys posted: he's still a Jedi, just not a Knight. Nice. Well said. -----signature----- "...the first condition of the hero's journey is recociliation with the grave."-Joseph Campbell Mando'ad draar digu.
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