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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 11/21/08 2:37pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	If Haazen is dead and Lucien is off doing his own thing, how can the name Sion still be used? It was Haazen who thought of the moniker so if the two people (outside of Zayne) who even heard the name are out of the game, how could it possibly come up again? -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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DarthAdamentum Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 11/21/08 3:23pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Manisphere posted: If Haazen is dead and Lucien is off doing his own thing, how can the name Sion still be used? It was Haazen who thought of the moniker so if the two people (outside of Zayne) who even heard the name are out of the game, how could it possibly come up again? it also left me clueless... -----signature----- And in their hearts, they never forgot the Jedi. The hatred for the Jedi Order burns in their veins like fire, and echoes in their teachings.
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 11/21/08 4:13pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Manisphere posted: If Haazen is dead and Lucien is off doing his own thing, how can the name Sion still be used? It was Haazen who thought of the moniker so if the two people (outside of Zayne) who even heard the name are out of the game, how could it possibly come up again? Haazen may have made it up, or he may have pulled it from the gauntlet or whatever. At any rate, it's quite possible for someone to come up with it independently. If Haazen can make it up, so can someone else. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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DanikKreldin Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 11/21/08 5:01pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	The title of Sion doesn't necessarily have to come from a person's mind. In RotS, Palpatine seems to be conferring with the Dark Side itself when he names his apprentice Darth Vader - his voice changes so deeply, and it's as if the name just appeared naturally - "henceforth you shall be known as Darth Vader." Just seemed to me like it was the Dark Side itself speaking through Palpatine. So perhaps the name Sion will pop up again because the dark side wills it so.
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/21/08 5:08pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Xicer posted: That information is from the CG, I don't think the game ever said much about Sion's origins. All the game told us was that he learnt the ways of pain at the Trayus Academy. That kinda got trampled on, though. pout -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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Xicer Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 11/21/08 5:15pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Did the end of this comic look very similar to the end of the JvS comic to anyone else? It also strangely reminded me of Paul from the end of Dune Messiah and in Children of Dune. It just gave me that kinda feeling. -----signature----- "Just before your arrival, Moneo and I were discussing Infinity." "Poor Moneo." --Leto II and Malky, "God Emperor of Dune"
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/21/08 5:16pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Xicer posted: Did the end of this comic look very similar to the end of the JvS comic to anyone else? Yeah, I got serious Davorit vibes. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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Strika23 Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 11/21/08 5:35pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Im surprised nobody mentioned the jolee look a like on the last page? :P
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Xicer Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 11/21/08 5:59pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Actually it was mentioned several times in the thread. Anyway I don't think the planet we see is Mustafar, apparently Mustafar doesn't have any moons. Sullust is definitely an interesting possibility. I don't think there are many other volcanic planets out there that we know of. -----signature----- "Just before your arrival, Moneo and I were discussing Infinity." "Poor Moneo." --Leto II and Malky, "God Emperor of Dune"
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/21/08 6:25pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Sullust makes the most sense to me. I wouldn't be surprised if JJM quietly made that suggestion in the future or in a short story or some such. I rather liked Lucien's end and fate. Very fitting. As posted above, this is atonement, not redemption. He's having to work at it and earn it, and he got a start already. He lost his eyes for killing Haazen, and he lost everything he had once had - everyone dear to him, his fame and prestige, etc. It's not Jolee Bindo! -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/21/08 6:31pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Master_Keralys posted: Sullust makes the most sense to me. I wouldn't be surprised if JJM quietly made that suggestion in the future or in a short story or some such. I rather liked Lucien's end and fate. Very fitting. As posted above, this is atonement, not redemption. He's having to work at it and earn it, and he got a start already. He lost his eyes for killing Haazen, and he lost everything he had once had - everyone dear to him, his fame and prestige, etc. It's not Jolee Bindo! What's interesting actually is DID LUCIEN LEARN ANYTHING AT ALL? I doubt JJM had this in mind, but honestly, it's entirely possible that. A. Lucien regrets nothing of what he did. B. He'd do it again. C. He's still making the exact same mistakes as before.
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/21/08 6:38pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	I'm not actively disagreeing, but you're going to have to explain that a bit, Charles; I'm not following you here. I think the quotes at the end say it quite well. He embraces his father's views: a man who looked out for the millions he once employed after he became a Jedi - but who found a way. A different view from his mother's. And most of all, this: "If we cannot change what others will do in the future -- we can change what we do. We can choose a different role." He chose a different role. He chose not to keep on the same path he had been before. How do you read it differently? More, why do you want to? -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Quiet_Mandalorian Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 11/21/08 8:19pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Master_Keralys posted: I rather liked Lucien's end and fate. Very fitting. As posted above, this is atonement, not redemption. He's having to work at it and earn it, and he got a start already. He lost his eyes for killing Haazen, and he lost everything he had once had - everyone dear to him, his fame and prestige, etc. I would argue that he lost his eyes in killing Hazen, ner vod. -----signature----- Fey'la was right! Bring Asyr Sei'lar to justice!
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/22/08 3:31am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	I think the quotes at the end say it quite well. He embraces his father's views: a man who looked out for the millions he once employed after he became a Jedi - but who found a way. A different view from his mother's. Lucien admits though that, he didn't know his father at all. Frankly, he's just operating about what people TOLD him Barrisson Draay was. There's also the fact that the Draay Trust he lauds is the ultimate example of Barrison's hypocrisy. And most of all, this: "If we cannot change what others will do in the future -- we can change what we do. We can choose a different role." Forming a secret covenant without supervision from the rest of the Jedi. Lucien isn't facing up to his crimes and is keeping his position as a Jedi leader. I think it's interesting to note that he never apologized to Zayne is all.
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/22/08 7:31am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 11/22/08 7:32am (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Keralys
	QM - fair enough. Charles, how in the world can you get the notion that the Draay trust = ultimate hypocrisy? Why shouldn't it be there for non-Jedi Draays? And why does joining the Jedi mean Barrison automatically had to do everything possible to ruin the lives of others? He left the money behind - completely. He made sure - the implication of this last issue and all that we know about the Draay Trust is - that all of his old employees where still employed by the Draay Trust. Sure, he wasn't there to run it, but he didn't cause unemployment for millions so that he'd feel better about it. That Haazen was able to abuse it doesn't really mean much of anything as far as Barrison is concerned; it's after he's dead. As to Lucien apologizing to Zayne, well, they seemed to be pretty thoroughly on the same page by the time they went in to get Haazen, and he was listening to Zayne already. Lucien's new role isn't a "secret covenant without supervision from the rest of the Jedi" in anything like the same sense, though. Yes, it's technically secret, and it's not supervised. If those weren't true, it wouldn't be a refuge place and a help for times when the Jedi order is destroyed. If it's not secret - and frankly, if the High Council knows, it's not a secret - then it could be destroyed in any purge of the Order. You can, I suppose, argue that Lucien should go to trial for everything. Even if I disagree with it, it's fair. He certainly can't go to a public trial; the Jedi order has covered it all up. He also can't be held accountable in a way that anyone but the high council knows, because of that. And frankly, they'd probably sentence him to do something like he is: working quietly behindi the scenes to make reparations for the rest of his life. Even if he wasn't put in a leadership role, he'd rise to it; that's who he is. -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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