cloneCommando1138 posted:Vrook_Lamar posted:cloneCommando1138 posted:Also, one of the jedi in the end looked a lot like jolee bindo... Whose known to have not left Kasyyk for years. Unless you're trying to say that EVERY black Jedi must be related. It's not just that he's black, he has the same exact style/color facial hair.
Vrook_Lamar posted:cloneCommando1138 posted:Also, one of the jedi in the end looked a lot like jolee bindo... Whose known to have not left Kasyyk for years. Unless you're trying to say that EVERY black Jedi must be related.
cloneCommando1138 posted:Also, one of the jedi in the end looked a lot like jolee bindo...
Rouge77 posted: I think people are approaching this character from the wrong direction: Lucien's new Jedi group seems to have several, different kind of homages to different characters in KOTOR and other SW. Can't this particular character just be accepted as a deliberate homage to Jolee Bindo - who looks like Jolee because he is intended to look like Jolee - and that this all that there is to this character?
Vrook_Lamar posted:cloneCommando1138 posted:Also, one of the jedi in the end looked a lot like jolee bindo... Unless you're trying to say that EVERY black Jedi must be related.
Vrook_Lamar posted: On the other hand, Vrook does seem like he was basically invented to be completly unlikable.
Jedi Ben posted:Finally, the arc with Zayne and the Covenant in both its progression and resolution is very much an emphatic rejection of absolutist thinking, of either-or mentalities - that, if you but calmly contemplate things properly, such harsh and wrong 'remedies' will not be required. The rejection of simplistic, either-or thinking is a lesson well worth learning...should you not have already learnt it in life.
cbagmjg posted:I mean didn't Revan, like Vader, become the Dark Lord out of necessity to combat a greater evil?
Vrook_Lamar posted:Sentry_21 posted: the primary reason why the Jedi Council chose not to go to war is because Vandar had a vision which foretold the Jedi Civil War -- a vision which the council misinterprets as a warning against battling the Mandalorians. Since the Jedi Civil War is a direct outgrowth of the Mandalorian war, I'm not sure how valid the distinction between "a warning against battling the Mandalorians" and "a foretelling of the Jedi Civil War" is.
Sentry_21 posted: the primary reason why the Jedi Council chose not to go to war is because Vandar had a vision which foretold the Jedi Civil War -- a vision which the council misinterprets as a warning against battling the Mandalorians.
"In a premonition he also foresees the destruction set to befall the galaxy in the Jedi Civil War. Sadly, the warnings of this prophecy are all for naught when the jedi Council misinterprets it as a warning against engaging Mandalore the Ultimate in battle. The resulting series of events leads to the Sith's resurrection and the death of Master Tokare."
Charlemagne19 posted: About the same as the Justice League is pure good and the Legion of Doom are evil. Or G.I. Joe is pure good and Cobra is Pure evil.
Xicer posted:I'll scan one up: ^ and Jolee for comparison.
JohnJacksonMiller posted:Jedi Ben posted:Finally, the arc with Zayne and the Covenant in both its progression and resolution is very much an emphatic rejection of absolutist thinking, of either-or mentalities - that, if you but calmly contemplate things properly, such harsh and wrong 'remedies' will not be required. The rejection of simplistic, either-or thinking is a lesson well worth learning...should you not have already learnt it in life. Someone give this man $20. One of the reasons that I like the discussions I've seen here is that people watch for nuance. People are complicated and their reasons and motives are, too -- and I think most creators try to aim for that, so that things that seem clear-cut at a glance often have a shadow of something else when you look harder at it. (Oh, OK. Most of the time. The Moomo Brothers are deeply unsubtle -- but they don't know that they are, so they're in a bizarre state of grace.) I won't say which of the debates here are founded and unfounded from my POV, because that's why we tell the stories. It's left the building, it's in your court. But with the exception of some of the theories that would make Oliver Stone dizzy, I would observe most of the debates here tend to have their foundation, on both sides, on some large or small thing we tried to say ("Lucien sought a better way"/"Lucien thinks he's above the law" or even, at the risk of bringing it up again, "the Jedi are not classist"/"maybe not intentionally, but they are in Haazen's eyes"). Not saying what relative weight those views have -- just that we can see where people would see it that way. I'm glad we were able to stimulate these kind of discussions here -- it's so much more fun than what's-that-guy's-name-in-the-background-on-page-X. (Though that can be fun sometimes, too -- if I know the answers!)
Havac posted:They look nothing alike, other than the fact that they're both black, bald, and have goatees. Look, folks, Jolee Bindo!
Charlemagne19 posted:Vrook_Lamar posted: On the other hand, Vrook does seem like he was basically invented to be completly unlikable. Ironically, that's part of why I always liked him.