Author Topic: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Zorrixor  4359 posts
Registered: Sep '04
42757_Prince Xizor
Date Posted: 8/17/08 1:08am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
For the comic's purposes Zayne could still "kill" him too, since for all we know he becomes Darth Sion and only later gets his entire body trashed... maybe Zayne's the one who karks him up. He just would get up again in classic "What happened to the body?!" villain style.

 

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Charlemagne19  26816 posts
Registered: Jul '00
6408_Jedi Outcast
Date Posted: 8/17/08 1:19am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
DarthRevan211 posted:
The Exile isn't just some "random" Jedi. If Sion was defeated by say, the Disciple, then yeah, I guess you could say that. But the Exile was a decorated Jedi General and a very important character in this era of Star Wars history.


It's still effectively ruining any chance for Zayne to be the one to finish the story.

 

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MasterKnack 
Registered: Jul '08
44044_Lord Hoth
Date Posted: 8/17/08 2:31am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Can't Zayne just be the one who ruins Lucien. Zayne is not about Revenge as much as he is about Justice. So if Lucien is exposed as a murderer, and Lucien runs away, maybe that would be enough for Zayne as long as Xamar clears his name. So in a way Zayne defeats Lucien. And really, does Yoda beat Palpatine in the end? no. Does Obi-wan defeat Anakin? No. I just don't think Zayne needs kill Lucien, maybe just cut off his arm just below the shoulder. dancing

And plus, in a way it would fit with how Sion works. You can slice em and you can dice em but he keeps on coming back for more! You think he's long gone, but nope he's pesky like that. raised_brow

 

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cbagmjg  431 posts
Registered: Jul '06
41233_Darth Nihilus
Date Posted: 8/17/08 9:00pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
At first it was "Zayne can't be anybody from the games", now it's "Lucien can't be anybody from the games". It's a good bet one of them will. And if the last fan mail section in issue #31 says anything, it's that more people, than not, want to see connections to the games. There might be a few anti-gamers out there who make it seem like we don't, but as long as it fits well with the story, then we'll see more connections to come. And I bet more Revan and Malak.

 

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Red-emption 
Registered: Aug '08
46269_Lucien Draay
Date Posted: 8/17/08 10:00pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Lucien's story was never about his hunt for Zayne Carrick. It's rather the story of his family and it's impact on the Galaxy. Lucien isn't just Zayne's arch enemy. He has a story of his own. He isn't there just for Zayne to ruin and destroy - at least not in the literal sense. Lucien's story more revolves around the neglect he feels from mommy (Krynda) which in turn ties into the whole Kreia/Sion relationship deal where Sion despises the Exile and Revan for the attention and praise they receive from Kreia. Even if Kreia is not Krynda, it still manages to work that Sion accepts that he was never quite as affiliate with the Force as he and his teachers would have liked when the Exile defeats him.

This is all just me playing devil's advocate however so take it as you will. Something to think about.

 

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MasterKnack 
Registered: Jul '08
44044_Lord Hoth
Date Posted: 8/18/08 9:29pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Good Point Red-emption. Getting more and more of Lucien's backstory kinda gives me the sense that he has a much larger role in the Galaxy then just canon-fodder for "The Gryph."

 

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Charlemagne19  26816 posts
Registered: Jul '00
6408_Jedi Outcast
Date Posted: 8/18/08 9:34pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 8/18/08 9:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
cbagmjg posted:
At first it was "Zayne can't be anybody from the games", now it's "Lucien can't be anybody from the games". It's a good bet one of them will. And if the last fan mail section in issue #31 says anything, it's that more people, than not, want to see connections to the games. There might be a few anti-gamers out there who make it seem like we don't, but as long as it fits well with the story, then we'll see more connections to come. And I bet more Revan and Malak.


I don't think that the main story arcs should be resolved in the games. The stories are separate from the games but related. Trying to turn Lucien into Darth Sion may strike people as interesting but it also undermines the character plot arc by fixing it in a point of time.

 

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MasterKnack 
Registered: Jul '08
44044_Lord Hoth
Date Posted: 8/19/08 1:14am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Point well taken. However, it just seems kind of like this era should have some sort of connective tissue with the games especially the second one considering the incompleteness of the story and it's hacked apart ending. I suppose I just wish for this era of star wars galaxy to have the completeness and the depth of the skywalker era. I wish to see what happened to the Sunriders, I want to see the origins of Kreia/Darth Traya. I wish to truly understand Revan and Malak's "fall." I want to see TSL clarified if not completely fixed so the ending makes a little more sense. I want to learn the fate of The Exile and Revan and Bastilla and Carth not just some fortune telling by some crazy blind sith witch. Obviously it won't all happen in the comic books but that is my dream. A big dream I know, but my hope none the less. So I hope to see such a major tie-in to the games.

 

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cbagmjg  431 posts
Registered: Jul '06
41233_Darth Nihilus
Date Posted: 8/19/08 6:36pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Charlemagne19 posted:
cbagmjg posted:
At first it was "Zayne can't be anybody from the games", now it's "Lucien can't be anybody from the games". It's a good bet one of them will. And if the last fan mail section in issue #31 says anything, it's that more people, than not, want to see connections to the games. There might be a few anti-gamers out there who make it seem like we don't, but as long as it fits well with the story, then we'll see more connections to come. And I bet more Revan and Malak.


I don't think that the main story arcs should be resolved in the games. The stories are separate from the games but related. Trying to turn Lucien into Darth Sion may strike people as interesting but it also undermines the character plot arc by fixing it in a point of time.



He's just 1 character, so it's hard to see how it would be undermined. What if this series was about setting up the future Sith(Revan and Malak & The Triumvirate) just as much as it's about Zayne's vindication. Let's not forget that we already knew what happened to just about every main character in the prequels, so how would this be any different? It would also be far more suprising to a lot of people, something which Anakin becoming Darth Vader wasn't.

 

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Red-emption 
Registered: Aug '08
46269_Lucien Draay
Date Posted: 8/19/08 6:44pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Charlemagne19 posted:
cbagmjg posted:
At first it was "Zayne can't be anybody from the games", now it's "Lucien can't be anybody from the games". It's a good bet one of them will. And if the last fan mail section in issue #31 says anything, it's that more people, than not, want to see connections to the games. There might be a few anti-gamers out there who make it seem like we don't, but as long as it fits well with the story, then we'll see more connections to come. And I bet more Revan and Malak.


I don't think that the main story arcs should be resolved in the games. The stories are separate from the games but related. Trying to turn Lucien into Darth Sion may strike people as interesting but it also undermines the character plot arc by fixing it in a point of time.


It's not undermining Lucien if he was intended to be Sion in the first place (as in when the series and his character was first drafted) it's just going all according to plan. It's not characters, that have been established in the comics, are just pulled out and JJM says "Okay, we'll make this guy so-and-so." And we don't even know if that path will be taken. Alek and the Revanchist were obviously intended to be Revan and Malak since they first appeared. I don't think that's any secret. If Lucien is Sion, it will probably be the same way. But for all we know, Lucien will just be Lucien. Either way works very well.

 

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cbagmjg  431 posts
Registered: Jul '06
41233_Darth Nihilus
Date Posted: 8/19/08 6:57pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 8/19/08 6:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: cbagmjg
Red-emption posted:
Charlemagne19 posted:
cbagmjg posted:
At first it was "Zayne can't be anybody from the games", now it's "Lucien can't be anybody from the games". It's a good bet one of them will. And if the last fan mail section in issue #31 says anything, it's that more people, than not, want to see connections to the games. There might be a few anti-gamers out there who make it seem like we don't, but as long as it fits well with the story, then we'll see more connections to come. And I bet more Revan and Malak.


I don't think that the main story arcs should be resolved in the games. The stories are separate from the games but related. Trying to turn Lucien into Darth Sion may strike people as interesting but it also undermines the character plot arc by fixing it in a point of time.


It's not undermining Lucien if he was intended to be Sion in the first place (as in when the series and his character was first drafted) it's just going all according to plan. It's not characters, that have been established in the comics, are just pulled out and JJM says "Okay, we'll make this guy so-and-so." And we don't even know if that path will be taken. Alek and the Revanchist were obviously intended to be Revan and Malak since they first appeared. I don't think that's any secret. If Lucien is Sion, it will probably be the same way. But for all we know, Lucien will just be Lucien. Either way works very well.


I don't mind either way myself, but to say he can't or won't be Sion is ludicrous. And it's far from undermining. In fact, it's a great backstory. It would give Sion the kind of depth he needs. It would be stupid to make Haazen Sion, which I'm done going over those details.

 

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Charlemagne19  26816 posts
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6408_Jedi Outcast
Date Posted: 8/19/08 7:47pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
cbagmjg posted:

I don't mind either way myself, but to say he can't or won't be Sion is ludicrous. And it's far from undermining. In fact, it's a great backstory. It would give Sion the kind of depth he needs. It would be stupid to make Haazen Sion, which I'm done going over those details.


Well theoretically ANYONE could be Sion whose male, human, and force sensitive at this point.

Zayne could be Sion.

But the point was that it would be dramatically unsatisfying.

 

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MasterKnack 
Registered: Jul '08
44044_Lord Hoth
Date Posted: 8/20/08 8:25pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Charlemagne19 posted:
cbagmjg posted:

I don't mind either way myself, but to say he can't or won't be Sion is ludicrous. And it's far from undermining. In fact, it's a great backstory. It would give Sion the kind of depth he needs. It would be stupid to make Haazen Sion, which I'm done going over those details.


Well theoretically ANYONE could be Sion whose male, human, and force sensitive at this point.

Zayne could be Sion.

But the point was that it would be dramatically unsatisfying.



That's a bit of an over-simplification. Not just anyone could be Darth Sion. Darth Sion is a big steaming wad of hate and darkness. There has to be a reason for it. What wouldn't make sense, is that some random Force-Sensitive Human Male just decided, that because he was a was bored, he would become a Sith lord bent on destroying all Jedi everywhere. His hatred of the Jedi has to come from something, not just cause that's a Sith's nature. Anakin didn't become Vader because he felt like it, he fell because of arrogance and a "lust for power." The question is what caused the person who became Sion to fall. Of what we know right now, Lucien seems to be the best candidate.

 

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Manisphere  2930 posts
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44127_Darth Krayt
Date Posted: 10/29/08 9:07am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
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CaptainJackBauer24  68 posts
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39909_Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 10/29/08 9:35am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
The kriffing third page won't load. silly

 

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