Author Topic: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Grey1  1709 posts
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Date Posted: 11/2/08 11:42am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Loclown posted:
"Zayne this is hard to accept."

"Tell me about it..."

"How can I even contemplate such a thing? Your Master Lucien is the Scion of an important Family--Both in the Republic and in the Jedi Order."
KOTOR Campaign Guide - UNrelease IT! silly

Maybe Lucien will timetravel back into the orignal Kun war... I think I might even like that better than not having all these little details pay off.

 

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DarthAdamentum  659 posts
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Date Posted: 11/2/08 1:46pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Oissan posted:
DarthAdamentum posted:
is zayne carrick darth revan then? very interesting indeed... as some has posted in here... hmmmmmm


No, he isn't, that's just a weird theory wink
The chance of that happening is about the same as Lucien being Kreia.


ahahahahhahahaha! point taken! wink Im just stoked, thats all!

 

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Shadojoker  1095 posts
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Date Posted: 11/3/08 7:34am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Dawud786 posted:
Here's why Lucien isn't Darth Sion... the KOTOR Campaign Guide says Sion was a Sith Marauder in the Great Sith War. He's a left-over from Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma's Sith.


because chances are its Haazen that ends up being Darth Scion...

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DarthAdamentum  659 posts
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Date Posted: 11/3/08 7:36am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Shadojoker posted:
Dawud786 posted:
Here's why Lucien isn't Darth Sion... the KOTOR Campaign Guide says Sion was a Sith Marauder in the Great Sith War. He's a left-over from Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma's Sith.


because chances are its Haazen that ends up being Darth Scion...

Shadojoker


we shall see....

 

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Zorrixor  4299 posts
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Date Posted: 11/3/08 8:22am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 11/3/08 8:30am (2 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
Maybe Lucien kills Haazen but is then possessed by his spirit such that all the hints come together so that both end up Darth Sion; he'd be both the scion of the Draay family and a Sith Marauder, like how the Lich King is both Arthas and Ner'zhul! silly

Then after the Mass Shadow Generator Bomb and Malachor they split in two, Lucien disappearing with the body as Darth Sion, Haazen's spirit locked inside his amulet/armor and becoming Darth Nihilus. It'd be a bit like Kingdom Hearts... Haazen the Heartless, Lucien the Nobody. Nihilus becoming the doppelganger everyone once thought he was, just Sion's, not the Exile's. tongue


N.B. No, I am not being serious.

Or am I? tongue

 

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Indigo45879  57 posts
Registered: Oct '08
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Date Posted: 11/3/08 10:03pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Zorrixor posted:
Maybe Lucien kills Haazen but is then possessed by his spirit such that all the hints come together so that both end up Darth Sion; he'd be both the scion of the Draay family and a Sith Marauder, like how the Lich King is both Arthas and Ner'zhul! silly

Then after the Mass Shadow Generator Bomb and Malachor they split in two, Lucien disappearing with the body as Darth Sion, Haazen's spirit locked inside his amulet/armor and becoming Darth Nihilus. It'd be a bit like Kingdom Hearts... Haazen the Heartless, Lucien the Nobody. Nihilus becoming the doppelganger everyone once thought he was, just Sion's, not the Exile's. tongue


N.B. No, I am not being serious.

Or am I? tongue


um, that was a bit of a mouthful, but it's not as if dark side users couldnt do it. Despite the fact i still think haazen is a failure whose only power comes from all those sith artifacts

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
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Date Posted: 11/3/08 10:27pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Indigo45879 posted:


um, that was a bit of a mouthful, but it's not as if dark side users couldnt do it. Despite the fact i still think haazen is a failure whose only power comes from all those sith artifacts


The Sith would call a man who increases his power with stolen relics to be a huge success.

You assume the Sith find cheating to be wrong.

 

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SithStarSlayer  8619 posts
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Date Posted: 11/4/08 11:02am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Exactly.

Good is point of view...
after all.

In Sith School, cheating is always rewarded with an "A++" and two extra lolipops.

 

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Zorrixor  4299 posts
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Date Posted: 11/4/08 11:18am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
The dark side is essentially the cheaters way of using the Force anyway. If they wanted to put the effort in, they'd be Jedi... but they opted for the quick and easy path. Nothing says quick and easy like the Amulet of Kressh the Younger.

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 11/4/08 11:32am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Charlemagne19 posted:
The Sith would call a man who increases his power with stolen relics to be a huge success.

You assume the Sith find cheating to be wrong.

A success, yes, but not as impressive as one who does it without.

Exar Kun is an awesome and very powerful Sith. He's not as impressive as Darth Sidious, however, since a great deal of his power stems from Sith amulets and the like.

 

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Zorrixor  4299 posts
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Date Posted: 11/4/08 2:00pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
I do have to agree... albeit reluctantly.

I never was able to like Exar Kun the same way a lot of people do, simply because it felt like he was having to rely on the amulet all the time. It was a nice addition to the Sith mythos, but it always felt a bit cheap.

Oddly, I don't feel the same way with Haazen. I think because it was very clear that Haazen was a failure without the Sith trinkets, it made his character seem more like a survivor. He was a loser, but he beat the odds and came out on top. Whereas Exar Kun was portrayed as powerful before he even got the amulet, so the amulet just seemed a bit cheap.

Guess it just depends on how its written into the character's story. Muur, again, I don't feel is cheap, though that's because his amulet is rather a lot more than just a Death Ray like Sadow/Kun's was.

 

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Havac  14246 posts
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Date Posted: 11/4/08 2:01pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Yeah, someone like Krayt might admire Kun for his power, regardless of how he got it, or Ruin might admire Naga Sadow's cleverness in crafting amulets to increase his power . . . but Palpatine's just going to laugh and go, "I could kick your ass, and I don't even need your toys. If I were insecure enough to feel the need to make my own trinkets, then you'd really see something, kid."

I think the Sith are always going to respect success and power . . . but they're not exactly the praise-lavishing type. If you're using a crutch and they're not, they're going to know the difference, and they're not going to feel inferior.

 

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Loclown  111 posts
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Date Posted: 11/4/08 2:38pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Has there been discussion on this board that the vision of the Future Sith, is really about Malek? He wears Zayne's red suit from that day.

 

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Vrook_Lamar  977 posts
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Date Posted: 11/4/08 2:59pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
Loclown posted:
Has there been discussion on this board that the vision of the Future Sith, is really about Malek? He wears Zayne's red suit from that day.


There was, but it happened a long long time ago when Flashpoint had and the Essential Guide to the Force had been released.

We don't have any new information about it apart from Marn's likely incorrect theory.

 

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cbagmjg  431 posts
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Date Posted: 11/4/08 3:49pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
I've never liked the thought of Sion needing trinkets to become powerful. He just seems like a Jedi killing machine, which would go against needing Jedi and Sith for his army. And Haazen wasn't a Sith marauder, nor a Jedi during the Sith War. Even when he turned on Barrison he dismissed the theory of being a Sith, but something more. He is what I figure to be built for the series and none of the game Sith, which makes sense because I figure JJM wants to create his own antagonist and not a pre-existing one.

And Nihilus cares nothing for the Sith; or its teachings; or the Jedi. Not to mention he loses a lot during the Mandalorian Wars, so it's easy to predict Lucien as the future Nihilus, so we'll see.

 

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