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Ackbar_Van_Gungan Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 11/6/08 8:58am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	You could have them all be tied into the reason for their fall. Maybe there could be one Sith that picks seven Jedi and causes them all to fall in different ways, turning them Dark. The Seven Deadly Sins are probably the seven paths to the dark side in Star Wars. -The Rebel Gungan -----signature----- My SFF blog: http://www.yetistomper.blogspot.com/ 1st Post= Golden Ewok™ No Prize! Unfortunate Sacred Slab of the Church of Waru -Curator of the Byss Orbiting Holographic History of Space Flight Museum
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/6/08 9:17am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Zorrixor posted: If the Dark Council in TOR is anything like that it'd be cool... although I expect the Council members won't get much individual attention and the focus all be on the Emperor. I think the opposite. If they'd wanted the Emperor to be the focus, they'd not have had him cede control of the Empire to the Dark Council whilst he did his own thing. I imagine the Sith Game will have a heavy focus on rising in the esteem of one or more specific Dark Councillors. The Emperor is being saved for an expansion. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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SithStarSlayer Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/6/08 10:00am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 11/6/08 10:01am (1 edits total) Edited By: SithStarSlayer
	Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted: A Star Wars version of Seven would be quite interesting. A council of 7 Sith Lords Sloth-Darth Acedia (Latin for Sloth, Would be a huge powerful but slow moving Sith) Wrath-Darth Maliss (From Malice, Anger based, similar to Sion or Greed-Darth Variss (Based on Avarice, Leader of the Seven Sith, Obsessed with power, Glutton-Darth Lutton (Nihilus-like, consumes force powers) Envy-Darth Invidia (Starscream-esque desire for everything else the Seven Sith have, backstabber, betrayer) Pride-Darth Vanitas (sisters with Asmoda, beautiful and deadly Lust-Darth Asmoda (sisters with Vanitas, seductive and deadly I don't think we would see a story like this but maybe for the next Katarn games -The Rebel Gungan Oh man, how I like this!! Though I would like to find a way to name a Sith: Darth Indominus. If only because nobody has even used the 'eye' for a first letter in a Sith name before. I always figured Lucas would throw out a Flash Gordon bone and name one of them: Lord Mercilus or Darth Ming. -----signature----- Lucas didn't ruin my childhood but he sure wrecked Vader's ^^Foolish men mistake transitory semblance 4 eternal fact^^ o[]\|\|]ooooooooo[0]\|\|[]{ Gal: 5:19-21 Philippians 2:9-11
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 11/6/08 10:37am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 11/6/08 10:42am (3 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
	Ulicus posted: Zorrixor posted: If the Dark Council in TOR is anything like that it'd be cool... although I expect the Council members won't get much individual attention and the focus all be on the Emperor. I think the opposite. If they'd wanted the Emperor to be the focus, they'd not have had him cede control of the Empire to the Dark Council whilst he did his own thing. I imagine the Sith Game will have a heavy focus on rising in the esteem of one or more specific Dark Councillors. The Emperor is being saved for an expansion. Maybe. I don't know. I just fear the majority of the Council may end up as relatively minor characters. I expect it will be more about the Dark Council as a unit, as opposed to each individual member having a great deal of back story--like the Sith Council in TotJ, they were all in the background, and we knew they were there, but it was only the main players who got a lot of attention. My expectation is for the (was it 12?) members of the Council to only start out with as much info in the game as Darth Nihilus and Sion did in KOTOR2, with most of their back stories being left to retcons by other sources in the future. Maybe the Jedi Council is a better example, as we often see Jedi Councils, but we rarely get all that much detail about each member. Sure, we'll have a bit of back story, but ratboy in Legacy is never going to be Obi-Wan Kenobi. I could be wrong and I look forward to being pleasantly surprised... but personally what I'm expecting is for the Emperor to turn out to be the bad guy for both Republic and Empire factions. Did I just say Sith players fighting to stop the Emperor? Indeed I did. I suggested this when we first had it confirmed it'd be a MMORPG and my suspicions have sky rocketed after one of the interviews with the developers where they talked about how not all good guys are all good, and not all bad guys are all bad. I'm expecting the Republic and Empire factions not to be automatically tied to light or dark, with the capacity for Dark Jedi characters on the Republic side, and noble Sith on the Empire side. I got a strong feeling from the interview as well that the Sith Empire players may end up discovering they are not as evil as the Emperor. I will not be surprised if we have the Republic, a Dark Jedi based Sith Empire, and a pure evil monstrous Massassi based True Sith Empire in the shadows where the Emperor has fled to. Whether the Emperor would be saved for an expansion or not I'm really unsure about. On one hand, it would perfectly fit the standard MMORPG mould, and so I fully expect it to be the case. On the other hand, BioWare are going on and on about the story, which makes me wonder if we'll get a complete storyline from the initial release, with the expansion giving us "KOTOR4" and an all new development. I dunno, "KOTOR3" being to defeat the Emperor; "KOTOR4" being the equivalent of the Dark Wars but with the Dark Council in place of the Triumvirate' "KOTOR5" something totally different, and so on.
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 11/6/08 3:29pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Maybe the Emperor is planning on using a galactic scale Thought Bomb to trap the essences of everyone (bar himself) strong with the Force, then use that power to turn himself into a living God the likes of which Jerec and other Valley of the Jedi seekers could have only dreamt. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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SlackJawedJedi Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 11/6/08 5:17pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted: Darth Lutton Plunder? -----signature----- Everyone's in favour of saving Hitler's brain... but when you put it in the body of a great white shark, ooo, suddenly you've gone too far! Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany, ambitious and misunderstood! Oh... your...God!
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/6/08 5:30pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	But yes, I think Haazen is probably more powerful than he was as a Padawan, even without his lightsaber. I point out that Lucien is truly a kickass Jedi Master. And he was TAUGHT by Haazen. There's no evidence he learned from anyone else either.
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 11/6/08 5:33pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 11/6/08 5:43pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
	Ulicus posted: Maybe the Emperor is planning on using a galactic scale Thought Bomb to trap the essences of everyone (bar himself) strong with the Force, then use that power to turn himself into a living God the likes of which Jerec and other Valley of the Jedi seekers could have only dreamt. That's actually the kind of plot I could see happening. They need this dude to be worse than any of the Sith in KOTOR or KOTOR2, and being an MMORPG its going to be epic, so that is possible. I'd actually enjoy something like that. I'd rather the guy be doing something twisted not just planning a second invasion, but this time just with the True Sith as opposed to just the converted Dark Jedi Sith. "I used the Dark Jedi Sith to soften the Galaxy up for the True Sith" is too simple.
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 11/10/08 3:03pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	On Diamond's tentative list for November 17th -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 11/10/08 10:51pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	4 KOTOR TPBs, I've not seen Lucien do anything Jedi Masterful... Still like him though. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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MercenaryAce Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 11/11/08 8:19am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Indeed I did. I suggested this when we first had it confirmed it'd be a MMORPG and my suspicions have sky rocketed after one of the interviews with the developers where they talked about how not all good guys are all good, and not all bad guys are all bad. I'm expecting the Republic and Empire factions not to be automatically tied to light or dark, with the capacity for Dark Jedi characters on the Republic side, and noble Sith on the Empire side. I got a strong feeling from the interview as well that the Sith Empire players may end up discovering they are not as evil as the Emperor. I will not be surprised if we have the Republic, a Dark Jedi based Sith Empire, and a pure evil monstrous Massassi based True Sith Empire in the shadows where the Emperor has fled to. Funny, my impression was that the playable Sith Empire are the Truth Sith, and I could have sworn I heard that the Sith species were going to be a playable race. Besides, the "ultimate enemy every side has to fight" is kind of based around the idea of saving content: have one dungeon everyone can visit instead of making a dungeon for each faction. However, the TOR makers don't seem interested in saving effort on content. Every class is going to have its own storyline, not just every faction. They promise "not a single repeated quest". That kind of takes the way the motivation to make a third, eviler than thou faction. Course, I hope it all be jedi vs republic, that would get old. Based on the game's description as a cold war, I imagine the quests will be about manipulating or aiding neutral factions to get an edge over the enemy. -----signature----- "I am no man...I am a space station!" Another star wars ships, droids and troops site: http://armiesofstarwars.com/ It does have info found nowhere Move all sig, for great justice
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/11/08 8:20am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Make that the 19th; the week of the 17th, but actual ship date is 19th, Manisphere. -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 11/11/08 9:10am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 11/11/08 9:15am (3 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
	MercenaryAce posted: Funny, my impression was that the playable Sith Empire are the Truth Sith, and I could have sworn I heard that the Sith species were going to be a playable race. I believe in one of the developer interviews they hinted that there may be Sith (species) in the game. They've said nothing about playable races at present, though. They've said very little about playable races/classes/genders/anything at present beyond "There's two factions". MercenaryAce posted: Besides, the "ultimate enemy every side has to fight" is kind of based around the idea of saving content: have one dungeon everyone can visit instead of making a dungeon for each faction. However, the TOR makers don't seem interested in saving effort on content. Every class is going to have its own storyline, not just every faction. They promise "not a single repeated quest". That kind of takes the way the motivation to make a third, eviler than thou faction. I'm dubious about those claims, tbh. So much of what's been said so far is so obviously marketing hype that it's not funny. Like I said in another thread, "endless adventures" is a fallacy because no MMORPG has ever, or will ever, accomplish that. At the end of the day, a video game is a video game. It'll be scripted, it just may be somewhat open. There is never any "endless" to it other than "endless credit card bills to play the replay the same thing again". Until someone invents a computer that is self aware and can develop its own game world, the word "endless" is something of a misnomer. Similarly... BioWare are talking big right now about class specific stuff but I just simply don't see them being able to pull that off long term. Launch? Sure. They can invest as much time and effort as they like to have a lot of pathways and options for launch. Long term though? MMORPG players like their money to be spent on stuff that benefits them. Blizzard have learned the long way that it wasn't a successful strategy for them to do one big class patch every couple of months, as it meant the class who had to wait two years got fed up of paying for a game that was helping other players. Unless BioWare have an insanely big ongoing development team, I can't really see them keeping up different new content for every class and every faction. That's pretty much the practical reality of why MMORPGs end up just being about one central bad guy. It would be entirely in keeping with past Star Wars and KOTOR video games as well. In the dark side path of KOTOR1 you still killed Malak. In the dark side path of KOTOR2 you still killed Traya. Sure, your motivation may have been "I WANT TO BE THE NEW DARK LORD! HAHAHA!" but you still ultimately ended up invading the big bad Sith's fortress and killing them. They just don't seem to be doing much to establish a "final boss" character for the Sith faction at present. We're seeing lots and lots of hints at this big bad Sith Emperor, but there's no talk of an equivalent final boss for the bad guys--if that was the plan, I'd have expected to see a lot of talk about the "Jedi Grand Master" thrown into all the Great War back story, etc. Instead, we're getting a lot of talk about how the Sith Emperor has "disappeared" and left the Dark Council in charge, with nobody knowing where he's gone. Currently that sounds like a fairly standard plot for "He's left and gone insane and is now an enemy of his own empire". I fully expect there to be a Grand Master and Council who you can run in and zerg if you feel like it... but if the Jedi Council and Grand Master were major characters who would represent an equivalent "threat" to the Sith Empire as the Sith Emperor is to the Republic, then I'd have expected to see more two-way plot snippets on the TOR site.
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Ren_Stazi Registered: Mar '08	Date Posted: 11/12/08 9:42pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4) - Date Edited: 11/12/08 9:43pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Ren_Stazi
	Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted: Sloth-Darth Acedia (Latin for Sloth, Would be a huge powerful but slow moving Sith) Wrath-Darth Maliss (From Malice, Anger based, similar to Sion or Greed-Darth Variss (Based on Avarice, Leader of the Seven Sith, Obsessed with power, Glutton-Darth Lutton (Nihilus-like, consumes force powers) Envy-Darth Invidia (Starscream-esque desire for everything else the Seven Sith have, backstabber, betrayer) Pride-Darth Vanitas (sisters with Asmoda, beautiful and deadly Lust-Darth Asmoda (sisters with Vanitas, seductive and deadly Darth Acedia: Hutt Darth Maliss: Male Wookie Darth Variss: Male Neimoidian Darth Lutton: Male Human Darth Invidia: Female Bothan Darth Vanitas: Female Zeltron Darth Asmoda: Female Zeltron
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Winged_Jedi Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 11/13/08 11:24am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #35, "Vindication" Part 4 (of 4)
	Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted: A Star Wars version of Seven would be quite interesting. A council of 7 Sith Lords Sloth-Darth Acedia (Latin for Sloth, Would be a huge powerful but slow moving Sith) Wrath-Darth Maliss (From Malice, Anger based, similar to Sion or Greed-Darth Variss (Based on Avarice, Leader of the Seven Sith, Obsessed with power, Glutton-Darth Lutton (Nihilus-like, consumes force powers) Envy-Darth Invidia (Starscream-esque desire for everything else the Seven Sith have, backstabber, betrayer) Pride-Darth Vanitas (sisters with Asmoda, beautiful and deadly Lust-Darth Asmoda (sisters with Vanitas, seductive and deadly I don't think we would see a story like this but maybe for the next Katarn games -The Rebel Gungan Our Mod in the RPF, Imperial_Hammer, actually wrote an essay on an idea very similar to this... -----signature----- "Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit, because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure." -Tacitus
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