Robimus posted:In fairness to Troy Denning I think he envisioned Jacen's fall beginning in the NJO, and by Dark Nest Jacen was well on the path to the darkside. It was more than the LOTF series in play.
Rouge77 posted:Robimus posted:In fairness to Troy Denning I think he envisioned Jacen's fall beginning in the NJO, and by Dark Nest Jacen was well on the path to the darkside. It was more than the LOTF series in play. I don't think fairness needs to be involved in this, because that view of Jacen is not based on anything in NJO itself. LotF trying desperately claim so was just another mistake.
Way_of_the_Vornskr posted:I think we all know what's really going to happen...right after MF Jacen is going to snap out of a force vision of a possible future - right before he leaves to go on his five year trip to who-knows-where and decides he should stay and settle down with Tenal Ka. It worked out well on Dallas...I think...
Whizkid posted: Jacen is what I like to call an authoritarian pacifist. He is someone who thinks that if only he had total control over the people he could end war. He had grown tremendously in the 10 years prior to LotF. Why is it hard to believe ANOTHER brewing war wouldn't be the snapping point?
Way_of_the_Vornskr posted: I think we all know what's really going to happen...right after MF Jacen is going to snap out of a force vision of a possible future - right before he leaves to go on his five year trip to who-knows-where and decides he should stay and settle down with Tenal Ka. It worked out well on Dallas...I think...
Volderon posted:Way_of_the_Vornskr posted:I think we all know what's really going to happen...right after MF Jacen is going to snap out of a force vision of a possible future - right before he leaves to go on his five year trip to who-knows-where and decides he should stay and settle down with Tenal Ka. It worked out well on Dallas...I think... That is the greatest idea I have ever heard. If DelRey actually did this, I would thank them for the rest of my life and start reading post-ROTJ books again.
Volderon posted:Charlemagne19 posted:Whizkid posted:Again, he was not just looking at the Corellian problem. His whole life was conflict, be it when he was young and the Galactic Civil War was still raging, when he was a teen and the YV invaded, as a prisoner of a insane force user, etc. He, like many real life leaders, believed he could end war through one last war. He is a completely realistic character. And given his upbringing and his teachings, I find it unbelievable. Also, that this war would be the snapping one. It wasn't anything anyone did to Jacen or his upbringing or war. Jacen's worst enemy is Jacen. He keeps doing mental backflips in his mind thinking about ways to do things and ends up putting two and two together and getting eighty-five. He consiously goes over to the dark side like an idiot and thinking he won't be tempted by hate fear and anger...look how that turned out at Fondor. Yes, Caedus was a dissapointing villain because he never really killed anyone really powerful. Sure he kills Mara Jade Skywalker but she's 20 years or so older than he is and he only poisons her with a dart like a coward. Then he snaps Isolder's neck when the prince can't even defend himself. Then he gets suckered into Luke's mind games. Then he starts crying about wanting to kill Luke, when in Betrayal he prevented that from happening by killing Nelani. In my opinion, he was more witty and powerful as a Jedi. BrownHornet: Your theory is good, but most fans on here only read because of Luke, Han and Leia. And as for the next generation you speak of, it died in Star By Star.
Charlemagne19 posted:Whizkid posted:Again, he was not just looking at the Corellian problem. His whole life was conflict, be it when he was young and the Galactic Civil War was still raging, when he was a teen and the YV invaded, as a prisoner of a insane force user, etc. He, like many real life leaders, believed he could end war through one last war. He is a completely realistic character. And given his upbringing and his teachings, I find it unbelievable. Also, that this war would be the snapping one.
Whizkid posted:Again, he was not just looking at the Corellian problem. His whole life was conflict, be it when he was young and the Galactic Civil War was still raging, when he was a teen and the YV invaded, as a prisoner of a insane force user, etc. He, like many real life leaders, believed he could end war through one last war. He is a completely realistic character.
darthcaedus1138 posted:They had known that Jacen got his training from Lumiya, whose training came from Vader. They had no thoughts as to Sith being on Korriban, and the existence of Jacen further preoccupied their attention. Darth Krayt said this too, so I'm not pulling this outta thin air.
Rouge77 posted:darthcaedus1138 posted:They had known that Jacen got his training from Lumiya, whose training came from Vader. They had no thoughts as to Sith being on Korriban, and the existence of Jacen further preoccupied their attention. Darth Krayt said this too, so I'm not pulling this outta thin air. I know, but his claim doesn't hold much water. Jacen died in 41 ABY, Darth Krayt got the Sith-Imperial War going on in 127 ABY. Surely the Jedi weren't occupied with Jacen for 86 years after his death?
darthcaedus1138 posted:But they didn't find out about the Sith until then. So mission accomplished. Plus, Darth Krayt actually mentioned him about 70 years after the fact. That's pretty big for him.