Author Topic: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
darthcaedus1138  1889 posts
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Date Posted: 8/23/08 5:31pm Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Yeah that's true. He's got Cade on the mind.

 

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Havac  14311 posts
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Date Posted: 8/23/08 7:27pm Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Rouge77 posted:
Yet he was utterly unnecessary as the Jedi wouldn't have gone to Korriban anyway, and in fact logically a resurgence of the Sith in the form of poor Jacen should have made the Jedi wary of more Sith emerging and thus perhaps sending them to check that the Sith had not returned to Korriban. But sadly realizing this was beyond the intellectual capacities of the Jedi.

Not exactly. Jacen becoming a Sith drew Lumiya out and thereby wrapped up the last dangling Sith that Luke knew about. He then had less reason to fear a Sith resurgence than before because the loose end had been tied up. If he's been worried about Sith emerging since the fall of the Empire and the scattering of its darksiders, and it finally happens, it's easier to relax and say, "Well, glad we got that over with." Now, if Jacen had been trained by someone Luke didn't know about, a totally out of the blue Sith, then he'd have more reason to wonder what else was out there. It's the difference between surprise and resolution. Luke got resolution, not a surprise, so there's no reason to think a totally different surprise is coming.

 

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Grey1  1722 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 4:18am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Havac posted:
If he's been worried about Sith emerging since the fall of the Empire and the scattering of its darksiders, and it finally happens, it's easier to relax and say, "Well, glad we got that over with." Now, if Jacen had been trained by someone Luke didn't know about, a totally out of the blue Sith, then he'd have more reason to wonder what else was out there.
It didn't seem like Luke was fully aware of the fact that Lumiya might return "any day now" for thirty years. Unfortunately, the Jedi are only allowed to react in the stories that are being told. As soon as someone acts and finds out about something that needs to be changed, he's becoming a Sith.

And while we're at reviving old comic book threats, how many dark siders are still on the run from various obscure RPG ressources, or little known short stories or comics or something like that? And how many Jedi didn't we see in Order 66 so that might come back as the newest Sith reincarnate?

It's become quite unbelievable that the evil guys can hold a "known secret base" for decades. Let's not go near that place where evil started so many times, because then no new evil will start there. And if I close my eyes, I'm invisible.

I also don't understand why they don't just invent additional planets. I just realize that LOTF really did best by inventing Vectivus' moon as an alternative HQ for Evil Inc. If only it had been of more use.

 

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darthcaedus1138  1889 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 6:29am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Heh heh, Darth Caedus the Meaningless

 

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SuperSaiyaMan12  2595 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 8:37am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
darthcaedus1138 posted:
Caedus was the BEST Sith.....here's the kicker....Lightning rod ever.

His purpose was to keep the One Sith hidden. Draw the Jedi's attention away from what they might have seen on Korriban to a skulking Jacen going "Hey looks at me, I'm totally oblivious to the monster I'm becoming, come and kill me."

It worked perfectly.

So you're saying he was better than Darth Revan? Malak? Exar Kun? Vader? Palpatine? Really?

 

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Volderon  279 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 8:49am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside) - Date Edited: 8/24/08 8:50am (1 edits total) Edited By: Volderon
I have trouble believing Luke Skywalker would be totally blind to the rise of the Sith despite Jacen being a lightning rod. He is the most powerful Jedi and the person that the force speaks to the most in his visions. There should be a regular Korriban trip (as well as to other planets that were once ruled by the Sith) by the Jedi to see what's going on.

 

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darthcaedus1138  1889 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 9:51am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
SuperSaiyaMan12 posted:
darthcaedus1138 posted:
Caedus was the BEST Sith.....here's the kicker....Lightning rod ever.

His purpose was to keep the One Sith hidden. Draw the Jedi's attention away from what they might have seen on Korriban to a skulking Jacen going "Hey looks at me, I'm totally oblivious to the monster I'm becoming, come and kill me."

It worked perfectly.

So you're saying he was better than Darth Revan? Malak? Exar Kun? Vader? Palpatine? Really?


I'm not saying that at all. He's the best Sith Lightning Rod, in the meaning of a lightning rod being used as a tool, Caedus wasn't thinking to himself, I'm gonna do all this so the One Sith can prosper, he didn't even know about them.

Volderon posted:
I have trouble believing Luke Skywalker would be totally blind to the rise of the Sith despite Jacen being a lightning rod. He is the most powerful Jedi and the person that the force speaks to the most in his visions. There should be a regular Korriban trip (as well as to other planets that were once ruled by the Sith) by the Jedi to see what's going on.


Kinda like Yoda on Dagobah, by the Dark Side cave, he used it to mask his presence. Both Ziost and Korriban have those attributes, only for the whole planet

 

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Havac  14311 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 12:05pm Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Grey1 posted:
Havac posted:
If he's been worried about Sith emerging since the fall of the Empire and the scattering of its darksiders, and it finally happens, it's easier to relax and say, "Well, glad we got that over with." Now, if Jacen had been trained by someone Luke didn't know about, a totally out of the blue Sith, then he'd have more reason to wonder what else was out there.
It didn't seem like Luke was fully aware of the fact that Lumiya might return "any day now" for thirty years. Unfortunately, the Jedi are only allowed to react in the stories that are being told. As soon as someone acts and finds out about something that needs to be changed, he's becoming a Sith.

Well, Luke certainly had the knowledge she had been out there and, being unaccounted for, could be still. As she never showed up for thirty-five years, it was easy to assume that she had been killed in the Imperial infighting, or on Byss. I'm not saying Luke was constantly worried that she was out there and had her as a number one priority. But she was a nagging loose end who, even though he probably assumed she had to be dead if she hadn't done anything in so many years, could possibly still be out there. Now she's not anymore, and that loose end is resolved.

Though, honestly, I'd like to see the Jedi more proactive about this sort of thing. I'd love to see a story where Luke gives Corran, Kyle, and half a dozen Jedi Knights a list of unaccounted-for darksiders and assigns them to track them down and find out what became of them.

 

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SuperWatto  5932 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 12:33pm Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
That does sound like a good story idea, a veritable EU celebration, but then you run into two new problems:
1. They can never go back in the timeline again and splice yet another new Darksider in Luke's prime
2. They can never again revive a forgotten Darksider!

 

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Havac  14311 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 1:06pm Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Well, you can. It's just how you do it. When you've got people like Tremayne hanging around who are dangerous but not especially galaxy-spanning in terms of threat, it's not that hard to insert an incident where they're taken down during the Bantam era or even the DR era, so long as they're not menacing the galaxy with superweapons or something. We get new threats from Jedi Knight games all the time, and we get darksiders retconned in all the time -- Kyle killed Jeng Droga in a battle on Yavin now. Tremayne helped out Hethrir. Roganda Ismaren was killed by her insane cyborged son.

I do agree that resurrecting any of them as a major threat would be painfully cliche, though.

 

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SuperWatto  5932 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 1:40pm Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
If Luke ever sits down and drafts up a threat assessment... That takes away all possibities for authors to add threats in the timeline before that moment. Right?

 

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J_K_DART  5885 posts
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Date Posted: 8/24/08 6:01pm Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Not at all; firstly, there's always the availability of non-FS threats; and secondly, any threat that winds up dead isn't going to wind up on the threat list. You don't even need to kill the threat in the book; it's an easy retcon that by the time of the mission Luke's aware they are/ believes that they are dead.

 

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Rouge77  7464 posts
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Date Posted: 8/25/08 3:06am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Also, by the time Luke would sent his Jedi to search for old known darksiders, like the inquisitors that were unaccounted for, they could have well trained more darksiders that could appear as threats after their old masters would have been brought to justice one way or another.

 

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Volderon  279 posts
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Date Posted: 8/25/08 9:48am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
If Luke Skywalker had visions of a man that doesn't exist a.k.a. Jacen Solo, why can't the force give him visions of the Sith on Korriban? Seems kind of silly to me.

 

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marmkid  2464 posts
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Date Posted: 8/25/08 9:53am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Volderon posted:
If Luke Skywalker had visions of a man that doesn't exist a.k.a. Jacen Solo, why can't the force give him visions of the Sith on Korriban? Seems kind of silly to me.


I guess because Jacen was family and so close to him, that is why Luke was able to pick up that up in his visions

I think the Sith on Korriban were actively trying to remain hidden, so they were using dark side powers constantly to stay hidden
Jacen didnt know what he was doing in the beginning, didnt know he was slipping, so he had no reason to hide anything about himself



that is a good point though
at some point, Luke or someone should feel something happening in the force about the Sith on Korriban
unless we are to assume it is like with Palpatine in the PT, where he can just mask himself that well, that he can not be noticed by the jedi

 

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