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DarthAdamentum  659 posts
Registered: Jan '08
45269_Airborne Clone Trooper
Date Posted: 8/25/08 10:21am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Best finale would have been of Caedus killing Luke then Jaina killing Jacen.

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
Registered: Jul '05
41990_Duron Qel-Droma
Date Posted: 8/25/08 11:10am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Not for the finale. Caedus should have killed Luke in Sacrifice (or rather, Luke should have allowed himself to die Obi-Wan style to allow the rest of the Skywalker-Solo clan to escape) and then Jaina should have maimed Jacen in the finale.

And then Ben Skywalker (annoying though he is) could have taken him out/redeemed him five years later.

(Though Caedus killing Luke would only work if he was always presented as nigh invincible villain as opposed to what we got)

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
Registered: Jul '00
6408_Jedi Outcast
Date Posted: 8/25/08 11:14am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Ulicus posted:
Not for the finale. Caedus should have killed Luke in Sacrifice (or rather, Luke should have allowed himself to die Obi-Wan style to allow the rest of the Skywalker-Solo clan to escape) and then Jaina should have maimed Jacen in the finale.

And then Ben Skywalker (annoying though he is) could have taken him out/redeemed him five years later.

(Though Caedus killing Luke would only work if he was always presented as nigh invincible villain as opposed to what we got)


So, in exchange for Jacen getting to be a villain and getting off scott free, we lose Mara *AND* Luke?

 
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Ulicus  7359 posts
Registered: Jul '05
41990_Duron Qel-Droma
Date Posted: 8/25/08 11:19am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside) - Date Edited: 8/25/08 11:21am (2 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
Charlemagne19 posted:

So, in exchange for Jacen getting to be a villain and getting off scott free, we lose Mara *AND* Luke?

No, just Luke.

I wasn't advocating more than one character death in Sacrifice.

(How is being maimed and then taken out getting off scott free? That'd be Caedus dead. I mean, even in the redemption scenario, it's not scott free, just a little more milk and cookies.)

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
Registered: Jul '00
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Date Posted: 8/25/08 11:44am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Ulicus posted:
Charlemagne19 posted:

So, in exchange for Jacen getting to be a villain and getting off scott free, we lose Mara *AND* Luke?

No, just Luke.

I wasn't advocating more than one character death in Sacrifice.

(How is being maimed and then taken out getting off scott free? That'd be Caedus dead. I mean, even in the redemption scenario, it's not scott free, just a little more milk and cookies.)


Does he serve prison time for murdering the Galactic Messiah?

 
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Ulicus  7359 posts
Registered: Jul '05
41990_Duron Qel-Droma
Date Posted: 8/25/08 11:50am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Charlemagne19 posted:

Does he serve prison time for murdering the Galactic Messiah?

I'd say yes, assuming he survives.

If he doesn't, it'd be via the intervention of Luke's spirit. tongue

 

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FireJade  1677 posts
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 8/29/08 3:09pm Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
SuperWatto posted:
That does sound like a good story idea, a veritable EU celebration, but then you run into two new problems:
1. They can never go back in the timeline again and splice yet another new Darksider in Luke's prime
2. They can never again revive a forgotten Darksider!


Or they could just make *random character that has disappeared* go to the Dark Side. (Callista, anyone? With all that Jedi knowledge - ooh, scary!)

 

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TheLightSide  377 posts
Registered: Apr '05
13706_Jedi Masters
Date Posted: 9/22/08 8:11am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
I think that it is hard to have a fallen Solo to be viewed as a Sith Lord. They have to make him almost Anakin Skywalker-like. Anakin becomes a Sith because he wants to save his wife's life. Jacen becomes a Sith because he wants to make his daughter Allana's life easier and free from strife.

With Jacen Solo one cannot simply have Palpatine. Everybody is waiting for the next Palpatine in these novels, and it is simply not going to happen. The closest that we have come is a combination of Nom Anor/Shmirra/Onimi. Total ruthless individuals trying to enslave and kill. The Vong will destroy Barabel, Yevethan, whatever it takes.

Jacen does not come close. At the end of Book 8 he is willing to destroy parts of Fondor, but that is really about it.

Mara has to come and find him for there to be a big battle. He spends Books 5-7 trying to hold onto Allana.

Really, the problem with Legacy of the Force is that Books 1-4 take too long to develop Jacen into a Sith Lord. By the time he is functioning like a Sith Lord in Book 8, he dies a few weeks later in Book 9.

Who really would have plodded through Books 1 & 2 with the start of the dust up in the Corellian System, if we would have known that Jacen would be killed in an incinerator room by his sister trying to burn his potential father-in-law's body, 7 books later?

Not me.

But, they do have a couple hundred dollars of my money over the last 2 years as each book has come out.

 
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HolidaySpecial 
Registered: Jan '03
6473_Clone Emperor
Date Posted: 9/22/08 9:14am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
Truthfully, and I must be in a minority here, I really enjoyed Legacy of the Force.

Here's the way I view it, and why I view Jacen (and, by extension, Lumiya) as a great villain. The Galactic Alliance and the Jedi by 40 ABY are a post-Empire, post-Sith society. They've taken every measure and made every plan for a Dark Side wielding dictator to rise up. Even with those contingencies in place, Jacen still manages to infiltrate the military and government, totally, within six months. He does this through sheer force of will.

Of course he's overthrown almost immediately. The only way he got so far was by developing his Battle Meditation ability, which was amping up his charisma and swaying his troops to stay loyal. I think the "shroud of the Dark Side," especially the way Stover described it in the ROTS novelization, was an extension of Palpatine's battle meditation. He willed everyone to stay loyal (Thrawn talks about this, referring to the Battle of Endor, in Heir to the Empire), and by Dark Empire Palpatine was attempting to will the entire galaxy to fall under the dark side shroud. Jacen was attempting to will Order on the entire galaxy, but the GA and Jedi were much more prepared than the Old Republic and Jedi were for Palpatine.

Jedi have a constant inner battle, and it makes sense to me that Luke would be indecisive at times. He's getting the same visions as Jacen. In fact, I loved the contrast between Jacen and Luke in Invincible. Jacen, in Betrayal, sees infinite possibilities of a galaxy in turmoil and acts selfishly while justifying it as acting for the galaxy's own good. Luke receives similar visions and takes a step back, calmly and carefully acting in order to resist the dark side.

 

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marmkid  2401 posts
Registered: Apr '01
Date Posted: 9/22/08 10:09am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
TheLightSide posted:
I think that it is hard to have a fallen Solo to be viewed as a Sith Lord. They have to make him almost Anakin Skywalker-like. Anakin becomes a Sith because he wants to save his wife's life. Jacen becomes a Sith because he wants to make his daughter Allana's life easier and free from strife.

With Jacen Solo one cannot simply have Palpatine. Everybody is waiting for the next Palpatine in these novels, and it is simply not going to happen. The closest that we have come is a combination of Nom Anor/Shmirra/Onimi. Total ruthless individuals trying to enslave and kill. The Vong will destroy Barabel, Yevethan, whatever it takes.


i dont know if they were trying to make him the next Palpatine

i always thought it was to be much more of a thinking man's Sith, who didnt exactly relish the dark/evil aspects of what he was doing
Palpatine seemed to revel in the dark side
Caedus didnt seem to have that love of the dark side, which i think was the point

he was using it as a means to an end



i dont think this actually played out well at all, and they of course had to throw some evil insane Caedus stuff
i think the original intent from the beginning of the series seemed to indicate them trying some new kind of Sith

 
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Scarran  108 posts
Registered: Jun '05
42251_Zayne Carrick
Date Posted: 9/22/08 10:50am Subject: RE: Disappointed with Caedus (spoilers inside)
You mean the same way the Force gave the Jedi visions of Bane and his successors surviving after Kaan and his followers were destroyed?

 
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