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Coota0 Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 9/21/08 8:28am Subject: Couple of Hoth Questions
	Where there any TiEs planetside at Hoth? Why snowspeeders instead of X-Wings,wouldn't the X-Wings be more capabale?
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 9/21/08 8:31am Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	Coota0 posted: Where there any TiEs planetside at Hoth? Why snowspeeders instead of X-Wings,wouldn't the X-Wings be more capabale? IIRC, the limited number of Rebel starfighters made it imperative that all available ships were used to escort any evacuating transports. Not a great answer, but as I recall that is the most often used argument. As for TIE fighters, depending on how you view the canocity of the Rogue Squadron video games, there were groups of TIE Fighters and X-wings that battled in the skys above Hoth covering the last few transports that had been left behind for the evac of Rebel ground forces. --Adm. Nick -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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DarthAdamentum Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 9/21/08 9:43am Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	Coota0 posted: Where there any TiEs planetside at Hoth? Why snowspeeders instead of X-Wings,wouldn't the X-Wings be more capabale? thats easy. snowspeeders were used for short range fight while X-Wings are more of space/aerial battle. -----signature----- And in their hearts, they never forgot the Jedi. The hatred for the Jedi Order burns in their veins like fire, and echoes in their teachings.
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 9/21/08 12:10pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	It sure woulda been fun for the transports when they ran into Executor and the rest of Vader's fleet while the X-wings were screwing around on the surface. The ground battle was a diversion to let the fleet escape. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Coota0 Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 9/21/08 12:24pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	Why not use the dozen or so fighters that were sitting on the surface waiting for the Snowspeeder pilots? If there were seperate pilots flying the speeders I would understand, but they were using the same pilots to cover the speeders as would be flying out the last of the fighters and escorting the final transports out.
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 9/21/08 12:52pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	hmmm...you get shot down in your snowspeeder and manage to survive, you can still get offworld in your starfighter...you get shot down in your x-wing and live, you're waiting for the Imperials to offer you a ride offworld..:p -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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DocRevan Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 9/21/08 12:55pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	Do X-wings have tow cables? I think not. -----signature----- Wraith 8 Proud apprentice of Jedi_Sha
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Leto II Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 9/21/08 1:02pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	Not according to Marvel Annual #3... -----signature----- "If there's one thing I hate, it's losing. If there's TWO things I hate, it's losing and getting cancer." - Kenny Powers
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leia7 Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 9/21/08 1:40pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	Here are my couple of questions. Wouldn't the guns on the AT-ATs or whatever they are called be easier to target than bringinig down the entire thing? And if those were disabled by the speeders, then the Empire couldn't disable the shield, wouldn't the Hoth battle have lasted a lot longer? I'm not a military theorist or strategist (the farthest from it), but since I read about Clausewitz's "Center of Gravity", I've never been able to watch that battle scene without seeing the guns on the walkers/shield generator be the center of gravity, and the rebel alliance's military strategists a little slow for not realizing that.
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 9/21/08 2:50pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	2-meter long guns under a gigantic, hulking head, or a 23-meter-tall walking machine? -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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leia7 Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 9/21/08 2:56pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	"the target area is only two meters wide" And shooting at the base of the 23 meter tall walking machine wasn't doing any good. Why not shoot at the two meter long guns or see if that Star Wars equivilent of glass is bulletproof?
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 9/21/08 3:14pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	Luke tried to shoot the cockpit. It didn't work. And, the snowspeeders didn't have the targeting computers the X-wings did. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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stung4ever Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 9/21/08 4:00pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	DocRevan posted: Do X-wings have tow cables? I think not. True, but as seen in Isard's Revenge, X-Wings in the hands of skilled pilots have no problems taking out AT-ATs. -----signature----- Handwritten script for 'Star Wars' by George Lucas, Princess Leia's anti-jiggle breast tape, film reel labeled, 'Alternate ending -- Luke's father is Chewbacca?!' Oh, oh! I'll give you five dollars for the box.
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 9/21/08 9:01pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	The point is, the goal from the Rebel side was escape; with Death Squadron (Vader's fleet) already there, and the rest of the Imp fleet probably bare hours away if necessary, there was no possible way to win at Hoth. The best they could hope for was evacuation, and that means throwing just enough at the AT-ATs to slow them down, but not so much that if it wound up being shot down it'd be difficult to replace. As it was, the Rebs lost seventeen transports. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 9/21/08 9:39pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions - Date Edited: 9/21/08 9:40pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	There's also environmental concerns- space may be colder, but Hoth's atmosphere had moisture and other elements that could have had an adverse effect on X-wings (recall they were having trouble adapting the speeders to the cold, presumably at least some of those challenges also applied to starfighters during atmospheric flight). We also don't know how low the ceiling was on the shield- might have been too narrow for starfighters to properly manuever within, and thus better suited to the snowspeeers and their more dedicated repulsorlift systems. Same reason TIE Fighters didn't play a role in the battle- the air would probably throw them around like snowflakes, and th shield may have not have given them much room. As for targeting the guns/specific pinpoint weaknesses- have you ever played ESB on the Atari 2600? Trying to pull that off is really hard! -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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TheRedBlade Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 9/21/08 9:41pm Subject: RE: Couple of Hoth Questions
	stung4ever posted: DocRevan posted: Do X-wings have tow cables? I think not. True, but as seen in Isard's Revenge, X-Wings in the hands of skilled pilots have no problems taking out AT-ATs. That scene did always bother me. If X-Wings were really so effective against walkers, a single pass by the Rogues would have wiped out the armored component of the Imperial attack at Hoth. My retcon? The Hoth walkers had Star Destroyer-grade armor. By the time you get to Isard's Revenge, the resource-strapped Empire (especially the smaller Cituric Hegemony) were producing AT-ATs with inferior armor. Thus, an X-Wing attack at Hoth would have taken too much time. -----signature----- Proud recipient of a Golden Ewok No-Prize
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