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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 10/13/08 1:27pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	I have to echo the sentiment that movie clearly suggests they are aboard a Venator. The establishing shot of the ship is meant to establish what ship the next scene takes place on- it's how Lucas does it, at the very least. Sure, there could be an ISD or something bigger than a VNSD "off screen" as a homage to the Executor's intro- but other than the speculation that something might be there, there's no evidenmce something is there- Lucas would show a big command ship if one was there, he's not going to leave something like that offscreen in the final shots of what he positioned to be the definitive end/conclusion to the film saga. It's just a model or set error that, as you point out, was apparently corrected for The Clone Wars. It's no different than Plo Koon's fighter being a Delta-7 on the outside and the cockpit of an Eta-2 on the inside. They decided to change fighter style after the live action elements had been shot already- but I don't think anyone's going to suggest we're looking as some unseen, nameless, other person's Delta-7 being shot down in exterior shots intercut with interior shots of Plo Koon's Eta-2 exploding. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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DaggerSword Registered: Mar '08	Date Posted: 10/13/08 2:37pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/13/08 2:42pm (2 edits total) Edited By: DaggerSword
	ThrawnRocks posted: The interest in keeping it a Venator is because that is what the scene tells us visually. And the visual storytelling of the AOTC duel, tells us Dooku switches lightsaber holding positions in the blink of an eye and partially finishes some slashes. :P I know Lucas loves to edit away on scenes, and I'm not fully convinced it's absolutely meant to be anything of anything in that scene. It stands to reason why we should accept Palpatine's ship to be a Venator when its own command tower windows neither match the Venators in the film. And the Ryan Church concept art showed a distinct cross between a Venator and an Imperator in that scene, but oh well, it's a pipedream, I reckon. ThrawnRocks posted: I have no real qualms about Palpatine having a bigger and cooler ship than everyone else, though I think I would prefer it to be at best the Air Force One version of whatever ship already exists as I am against the overnight transformation of the Empire. True, even Vader's Devastator had some snazzy extras to set it apart from other ISDs. ThrawnRocks posted: I'm not sure where I got that, the novel maybe? I think Dark Lord hinted at something like that. 2 or 4 weeks after the rest of the events. ThrawnRocks posted: By this logic, Fake Wedge is an entirely different character that Denis Lawson's Wedge because they are clearly two different people. What. LFL actually maintains that's Wedge in the briefing room scene? Aren't there people there being paid to make up profiles for new characters?
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Grey1 Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 10/13/08 2:56pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	OK, I'm out. Someone please post that picture. -----signature----- Jacen had learned that one can meet the Universe [...] with fear, or with hatred, or with despair. Or one can choose to meet it with love. Jacen had chosen. But still, he was astonished to discover that the Universe could love him back.
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Ris_jSarek Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 10/13/08 4:25pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	DaggerSword posted: ThrawnRocks posted: By this logic, Fake Wedge is an entirely different character that Denis Lawson's Wedge because they are clearly two different people. What. LFL actually maintains that's Wedge in the briefing room scene? Yes, they do, vehemently. DaggerSword posted: Aren't there people there being paid to make up profiles for new characters? What new character? That's Wedge, speaking with Denis Lawson's voice (his voice was dubbed over Colin Higgins) and speaking lines belonging to Wedge in the script, novelization, and other sources. -----signature----- http://churchofbrad.com/jsarek/ Proud recipient of Halagad_Ventor's MOO (Master of Obscurity) Award, Brett_Bass's Spiffy Crown™, and Thrawn McEwok's "Ohh...? Interesting..." Award™
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Chilean_JEDI19 Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 10/13/08 8:13pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	Lord_Hydronium posted: It's odd, now that you mention it, that there's very little actually known about that scene That's right!! It's almost like this moment has been deliberatedly kept undefined in every detail! I mean, it's really weird that even this Venator gets a name but not the one where 3 main villians of the Saga oversee the construction of the biggest weapon in Galactic History!!! And even the fact that most people can even tell if the ship is actually a Venator or not just shows how weird it is. A black hole in SW Canon Knowledge! -----signature----- La Orden... Exterminada. Las Alianzas... Rotas. La Esperanza... Perdida. El Circulo... Completo. http://www.renacimientofilm.com
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 10/13/08 8:19pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/13/08 8:20pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
	Daniel-K posted: Behind the scenes commentary from Dr Saxton is that the reason the Theta class shuttle was given such a short hyperdrive range, and how the non hyperdrive equipped V-wings were able to be at Mustafar, was that ala ROTJ Palpatine took his shuttle to a big commandship, took it there, and descended. I doubt that's what was intended... PALPATINE: Tell Captain Kagi to prepare my shuttle for immediate takeoff. Not to mention the fact that we don't see any command ship in the relevant scene from the ROTS trailer. We've been told that Palpatine's shuttle has a class 1 hyperdrive. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 10/13/08 8:30pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	DaggerSword posted: ThrawnRocks posted: By this logic, Fake Wedge is an entirely different character that Denis Lawson's Wedge because they are clearly two different people. What. LFL actually maintains that's Wedge in the briefing room scene? Aren't there people there being paid to make up profiles for new characters? Since they are somewhat similar, it likely falls under the notion of "that's what ANH-era Wedge looks like without a helmet on". It's equivilent to Clive & Ian both playing the same role. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 10/13/08 8:45pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/13/08 8:48pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Trip
	Daniel-K posted: Triangles are not squares, though I'm certain that in his little spin world they may be and that we shall soon here some made up justification for that fact. -----signature----- RIP Jacen's Crotch 1991 - 2008
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GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 10/13/08 8:47pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	Looks like the ICS made a whoopsie. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 10/13/08 8:53pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	Impossible! -----signature----- RIP Jacen's Crotch 1991 - 2008
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Lord_Hydronium Title: Literature Gardener Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 10/13/08 8:55pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	Daniel-K posted: Triangles are not squares IT'S A TRAPEZOID! -----signature----- Great midis have little midis Swimming round inside 'em And little midis have lesser midis And so ad infinitum.
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Darth_Guy Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/13/08 8:56pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	Trip posted: Daniel-K posted: Triangles are not squares, though I'm certain that in his little spin world they may be and that we shall soon here some made up justification for that fact. HAHAHAHAHA That's ****ing awesome. Ok... I'll go back to not posting in Lit. -----signature----- Perhaps I'll breed some sort of albino shouting gorilla.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 10/13/08 9:37pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	Lord_Hydronium posted: Daniel-K posted: Triangles are not squares IT'S A TRAPEZOID! -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/13/08 10:14pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	Darth_Guy posted: Trip posted: Daniel-K posted: Triangles are not squares, though I'm certain that in his little spin world they may be and that we shall soon here some made up justification for that fact. HAHAHAHAHA ...I don't get it... -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 10/13/08 10:59pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
	Look closely on the image. Those are not square windows. They are trapezoidal. Just like in the interior shots. Just like in The Clone Wars. Just like everywhere except the ICS, apparently. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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