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DaggerSword  503 posts
Registered: Mar '08
Date Posted: 10/13/08 11:43pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
Havac posted:
Look closely on the image. Those are not square windows. They are trapezoidal.

Just like in the interior shots. Just like in The Clone Wars. Just like everywhere except the ICS, apparently.

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And except the relevant scene where the so-called Emperor's vessel appears.


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I also didn't realize a forward view on these ships was to the side.

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Lord_Hydronium  6273 posts
Title: Literature Gardener
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Date Posted: 10/13/08 11:51pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
I can't even see separate windows; I have no idea how you can tell the shape of them from that shot.

 

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Havac  14251 posts
Title: Lit Mod of War
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Date Posted: 10/13/08 11:52pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
I don't get it. A picture of a ship that doesn't have nearly enough resolution to display the shape of the bridge viewports . . . OK?

Where's your relevant scene?

 

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DaggerSword  503 posts
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Date Posted: 10/13/08 11:58pm Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
You must have some sort of eye disorder. Please provide those forward shots now. :P :P :P

 
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Lord_Hydronium  6273 posts
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Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:02am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
Sorry, but your image doesn't show anything. You're going to need a little better evidence than a two-pixel high band of mottled color to say "the movies show rectangular viewports".

 

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DaggerSword  503 posts
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Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:10am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 12:13am (1 edits total) Edited By: DaggerSword
It's good enough to show the rounded area like on the bridge, where no trapezoids are found. And I don't have to provide evidence for a negative claim. You need to show those magical non-existant forward "trapezoids" or stop referring to them. Simple, yes? tongue

 
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GrandAdmiralJello  59907 posts
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Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:16am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
I'm sorry, this is the Literature board. You may be looking for Fan Fiction.

 

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ThrawnRocks  14867 posts
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Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:18am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
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Havac  14251 posts
Title: Lit Mod of War
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Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:28am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
DaggerSword posted:
It's good enough to show the rounded area like on the bridge, where no trapezoids are found.

No it's not.

DaggerSword posted:
And I don't have to provide evidence for a negative claim.

You're not making a negative claim. You're claiming that the movies show square Venator forward viewports. Show some evidence if you want to be taken seriously.

DaggerSword posted:
You need to show those magical non-existant forward "trapezoids" or stop referring to them. Simple, yes? tongue




Can you show these magical non-existent forward squares? I'd think it would be simple.

 

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blackmyron  2497 posts
Registered: Oct '05
Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:29am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
So... what exactly would the difference be for the bridge windows in a 'full front' view? You can still see the windows - much clearer than your example - and the trapezoidal shape in them. How would the perspective differ? The windows match for the external and (presumed) internal view at the end of ROTS. If it was a full 'top-down' view we wouldn't see the windows - so, obviously, we're not seeing a completely 'top-down' view. While applying real-world science to SW can be (at times) dubious, I feel confident that we aren't seeing a R'lyeh-class Star Destroyer and therefore it obeys the rules of Euclidean geometry, or that the windows are not suffering from some angular lycanthropy.
If the concern is about this somehow being used to debase the ICS entire, you shouldn't be. I'm sure there are people out there who would try to dismiss an entire body of work based on a single error from interpreting movie visuals (nobody's perfect) and ignore the ICS' substantial contributions to SW canon... but anyone trying to behave in such a manner would quickly be dismissed as 'absurd', I would imagine...

 

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DaggerSword  503 posts
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Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:40am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 12:42am (2 edits total) Edited By: DaggerSword
Where are those on the outside? I didn't ask for the non-Venator ship that's only seen from inside. Provide the proof or retract the statement. Apparantly, that's harder for you to do than post those non-existant forward trapezoids you claim exist on the outside. :P

 
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Lord_Hydronium  6273 posts
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Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:43am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
Keep moving those goalposts.

I still haven't seen these rectangular windows from the outside, of course, but it's pretty clear that the evidence is only coming from one side here.

 

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Havac  14251 posts
Title: Lit Mod of War
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23735_Obi-Wan Kenobi
Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:44am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
So . . . you're claiming the windows magically shift shape depending on whether you're looking at them from the inside or outside? What is this, Harry Potter?

Show me a square viewport on a Venator. It's put up or shut up time. Show me a shot of a square outside viewport or stop telling me Venators have them.

 

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DaggerSword  503 posts
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Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:45am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 12:50am (4 edits total) Edited By: Havac
Lord_Hydronium posted:
Keep moving those goalposts.

I have asked for those non-existant outside ones, not the same thing from the inside, no personal attacks, please.

Havac posted:
So . . . you're claiming the windows magically shift shape depending on whether you're looking at them from the inside or outside? What is this, Harry Potter?

You keep insulting me yet provide zero proof for those forward trapezoidal outside images. I don't like getting insulted by people who whatever, so please provide that proof or subtract your statement.

I provided an image that shows no trapezoids from the outside, I don't know if you found a different CG model with that sideview, but that sideview shows nothing of the front, which is what I've asked for. You claim the ICS is wrong, yet provide no images. PPOR.

 
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blackmyron  2497 posts
Registered: Oct '05
Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:48am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
DaggerSword posted:
Where are those on the outside?
In the screenshot that wasn't 'face forward' enough for you.

Explain exactly why the view of the Venator in that pictures magically invalidates the window shapes, or find a clear picture of the Venator bridge showing square/rectangular windows. It's that simple.

 

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