Register | Login | Search | Help | New Boards | Harassment Policy | Rules of the JC | TOS | Markup Codes
Locked Topic | Read Only Topic | Previous Active Topic | Next Active Topic
Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 - Previous | Next | Reload
Author Topic: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
Lord_Hydronium  6273 posts
Title: Literature Gardener
 Registered: Jun '02
15597_Vergere
Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:50am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 12:51am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
DaggerSword posted:
I provided an image that shows no trapezoids from the outside

You provided an image that showed nothing from the outside because the windows were two pixels tall. Is that really all your evidence, that you can't see trapezoids in a tiny line of light?

 

-----signature-----
Great midis have little midis
Swimming round inside 'em
And little midis have lesser midis
And so ad infinitum.
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
DaggerSword  503 posts
Registered: Mar '08
Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:51am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 12:52am (1 edits total) Edited By: DaggerSword
blackmyron posted:
In the screenshot that wasn't 'face forward' enough for you.

Sideview is the new front. Gotcha. laugh

blackmyron posted:
Explain exactly why the view of the Venator in that pictures magically invalidates the window shapes, or find a clear picture of the Venator bridge showing square/rectangular windows. It's that simple.

I don't need to find anything else. There are no "trapezoidal" front windows like you people claim. Show them and I'll shut up. tongue

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Trip  2356 posts
Registered: Dec '03
41423_Stormtrooper
Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:54am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 12:55am (1 edits total) Edited By: Trip
I found a couple shots showing the front viewports.

But it's late and I'm very tired, so I dunno if I'll post the screen grabs. I'm still not clear why you want to see them anyway.

Besides, it'd be more fun if you found them yourself. It's almost like Where's Waldo!

 

-----signature-----
RIP Jacen's Crotch
1991 - 2008

rose
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
DaggerSword  503 posts
Registered: Mar '08
Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:55am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
So they exist and the ICS is wrong then? Show and do tell!

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Trip  2356 posts
Registered: Dec '03
41423_Stormtrooper
Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:56am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 1:04am (4 edits total) Edited By: Trip
You sure you don't wanna find them yourself? I don't want to spoil all the fun. sad

ETA: But, entertaining as this is, I must sleep.

So I leave you with this.

 

-----signature-----
RIP Jacen's Crotch
1991 - 2008

rose
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
DaggerSword  503 posts
Registered: Mar '08
Date Posted: 10/14/08 12:59am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 1:00am (1 edits total) Edited By: DaggerSword
Why do I sense a disturbence in the truthfulness of your words? beatup

EDIT: Finally. That wasn't so hard, but you wouldn't think so from all the abuse so far.

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
GrandAdmiralJello  59907 posts
Title: Emperor
• EUC
• JCC
 Registered: Nov '00
49389_NY Yankees
Date Posted: 10/14/08 1:00am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 1:00am (1 edits total) Edited By: GrandAdmiralJello
Trip posted:


Whee. I'll try spinning, that's a good trick.

 

-----signature-----
SPQR
Vates Jυλιαδις
Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius
Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes;
pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Trip  2356 posts
Registered: Dec '03
41423_Stormtrooper
Date Posted: 10/14/08 1:00am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 1:04am (2 edits total) Edited By: Trip
EDIT: cross-post-editing-gah

 

-----signature-----
RIP Jacen's Crotch
1991 - 2008

rose
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
DaggerSword  503 posts
Registered: Mar '08
Date Posted: 10/14/08 1:02am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 1:04am (2 edits total) Edited By: DaggerSword
Though the question persists, is that Palpatine's ship at the end? laugh

Thanks again, Trip. It's a wonder what one picture can do that a million posts and no pictorial evidence can't.

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Lord_Hydronium  6273 posts
Title: Literature Gardener
 Registered: Jun '02
15597_Vergere
Date Posted: 10/14/08 1:03am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
Let it go, Indiana.

Let it go.

 

-----signature-----
Great midis have little midis
Swimming round inside 'em
And little midis have lesser midis
And so ad infinitum.
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
blackmyron  2497 posts
Registered: Oct '05
Date Posted: 10/14/08 1:09am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 1:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: blackmyron
DaggerSword, the ICS is already wrong. You're trying to combine two separate issues into one. Namely:
1) "You didn't show the very front windows. The Venator could've easily used a completely different pattern for the very front than the ones on the side, and the panel connecting the side to the front, therefore the ROTS scene could be a different ship."
True, but unlikely. You haven't supplied much in return to show these square windows except to pull up a far-off photo that doesn't show much of anything - in the absence of other proof, I would say it's more likely the window shapes would be consistent all the way around.
Now, if you're basing this solely on the ICS...
2) "ICS isn't wrong, because you didn't show the very front windows so you can't compare them."
Whoops, the ICS actually shows the windows on the side as well as square which (as the image clearly demonstrates) isn't the case. So, regardless of whether or not someone can dig up a clear picture of the front windows from the outside, the ICS is incorrect in its depictions of the side windows.

Edit: And Trip to the rescue. Blurry, but a clearly diagonal line.
A C-canon source already established what type of ship it is, the argument against it has been disproven. It's a Venator-class, unless some other retcon comes along. Back to the original question - any guesses to the name? Maybe something from the list from EAW:FOC? A ship we've seen?

 

-----signature-----
Omnia mutantur, nihil interit.
"Come on Dave, you're taking this stuff too seriously." - George Lucas
"Reality can rarely be explained without contradictions." - Karnak
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Ris_jSarek  2541 posts
Registered: Feb '05
18187_Z-95 Headhunter
Date Posted: 10/14/08 1:58am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 2:02am (1 edits total) Edited By: Ris_jSarek
blackmyron posted:
I feel confident that we aren't seeing a R'lyeh-class Star Destroyer


Okay, now THAT is something I want to see.

Okay, maybe not, since it would drive me to madness. It's something I want to watch SOMEONE ELSE see. That sounds like more fun.

blackmyron posted:
If the concern is about this somehow being used to debase the ICS entire, you shouldn't be. I'm sure there are people out there who would try to dismiss an entire body of work based on a single error from interpreting movie visuals (nobody's perfect) and ignore the ICS' substantial contributions to SW canon... but anyone trying to behave in such a manner would quickly be dismissed as 'absurd', I would imagine...


Yeah, well, it's clearly a case of shoddy research on the part of Dorling Kindersley. Anyone should be able to tell that those windows aren't rectangular just by looking at them. They should have gotten the correct window information from Lucasfilm, instead of resorting to sloppy and blatantly erroneous guesswork.

EDIT:

Trip posted:
So I leave you with this.



The filename for that shot is awesome.

 

-----signature-----
http://churchofbrad.com/jsarek/
Proud recipient of Halagad_Ventor's MOO (Master of Obscurity) Award, Brett_Bass's Spiffy Crown™, and Thrawn McEwok's "Ohh...? Interesting..." Award™
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Thrawn McEwok  13601 posts
Title: TFN EU Staff
 Registered: May '00
43231_Chiss Ewok
Date Posted: 10/14/08 8:53am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer... - Date Edited: 10/14/08 8:54am (1 edits total) Edited By: Thrawn McEwok
Trip posted:


thinking


laugh

Well, Hydro already said it:

Lord_Hydronium posted:


IT'S A TRAPEZOID!


I'm giving you both Special Golden Ewoks™ with pinaple chunks and lychees.

I do feel obliged to point out, however, that there is still a difference between the external and internal views.

The outside is composed of five straight segments arranged at approximately forty-five degree angles:



While the inside is curved:



Combind with the script reference, the distinctly curved bridge interior could suggest that there's an Imperial-class ship off-camera at the centre of the fleet - which would, presumably, be Moff Tarkin's Exactor.

However, everyone seems to think that there are specific references to the Imperial command ship here as a VenStar (examples, people?), and we also have repeated appearance in T-canon of VenStars with the same bridge design, all of which tend to support the idea that this is simply a VenStar bridge.

And, as I pointed out already, minor details like this are highly inconsistent in Star Wars. The discrepancy between the internal and external appearance of the Executor's bridge is directly comparable - it's much flatter on the external command-tower model than on the set.

I suspect that, out-of-universe, what happened was that the appearance of an Imperial-class Star Destroyer was planned, then dropped (I didn't realise there was production art for a "hybrid" - anyone got a link to it online?) and the VenStar CGI model was modified to fit the set design.

That said, I'd be very interested to know what size of VenStar we get, based on bridge-tower scaling. laugh

- The Imperial Ewok

 

-----signature-----
A/T = OTP cool
:===8[#]8===:
Kyp/Jaina fans: stand up and be counted!
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Lord_Hydronium  6273 posts
Title: Literature Gardener
 Registered: Jun '02
15597_Vergere
Date Posted: 10/14/08 9:23am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
Thrawn McEwok posted:
Combind with the script reference, the distinctly curved bridge interior could suggest that there's an Imperial-class ship off-camera at the centre of the fleet - which would, presumably, be Moff Tarkin's Exactor.

Tarkin had Executrix, Vader had Exactor.

 

-----signature-----
Great midis have little midis
Swimming round inside 'em
And little midis have lesser midis
And so ad infinitum.
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Jmacq1  1728 posts
Registered: May '05
23590_Darth Revan
Date Posted: 10/14/08 9:44am Subject: RE: Vader & Palpatine's Venator-Class Star Destroyer...
I would imagine it's entirely possible that the ship in question is neither Vader, Tarkin, nor Palpatine's "personal" vessel. Perhaps instead it's simply the "command ship" of the permanent garrison that protects the nascent Death Star, and the three august personages are simply temporary guests, as taking their "personal" vessels might attract more attention than they care to draw at that particular point.

A bit convoluted, sure, but it seems plausible.

 
Locked Topic | Active Topic Notification | Private Message | Post History
Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 - Previous | Next | Reload
© 2009 IGN Entertainment, Inc (9.02.17.2300, IGNPRDAPPW64211) 0.296