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black_saber  3359 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 11:36am Subject: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago? - Date Edited: 10/29/08 11:38am (1 edits total) Edited By: black_saber
Okey The Hutts from the Knights of the old republic all the way to the NJO order. They have always been againset the Republic and Half of them side with the Sepertist. They are almost reponsble to half of the Crimnal underworld. They also side with the Sith five thousand years ago too. They have almost Half of the Smugglers whom are evil as well as Pirates too.

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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 11:40am Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
Against the Jedi way.

Next question.

 

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black_saber  3359 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 11:48am Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
Yeah but Luke did go againts the Jedi ways warning Jabba to "Free us Or die."

 

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AdmirableAckbar  255 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 11:55am Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
When did they side with the Sith five thousand years ago?

There are quite a few obvious reasons why the Republic wouldn't do such a thing. For a start, it would take incredible resources to "get rid of" all the Hutt clans, and then they'd just come back in a few decades. The only conceivable way to stop the Hutts becoming criminals is to completely wipe them out, really.

Also, the Hutt Empire isn't part of the Republic and has its own laws. You may as well ask, "Why did the Old or New Republic not get rid of the Corporate Sector?"

 

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DarthBoba  32891 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 12:02pm Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
black_saber posted:
Yeah but Luke did go againts the Jedi ways warning Jabba to "Free us Or die."



He also Force-choked Jabba's guards. That's not exactly Jedi standard procedure. tongue

 

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Matthew Trias  12712 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 12:19pm Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago? - Date Edited: 10/29/08 12:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Matthew Trias
Actually, the Corporate Sector and Hutt Space were both satellite states of the of the Republic and later the Empire(courtesy the Imperial sourcebook). They existed at the Republic and Empire's pleasure(Hutt space at some point probably losing one too many wars and thus its official independance and coming under Republic jurisdiction), and both the Republic and the Empire certainly had a right to do something, however they would have had a heck of a time trying to bring those sectors of space under their heel. I think it was just too costly. It was less costly to just try and contain them, than actually policing them. As long as theHutts paid lip service to law and order and paid their many taxes the Emperor, and thus the Empire, was happy.

 

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AdmirableAckbar  255 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 12:30pm Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
Interesting.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 2:48pm Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
I think that for all intents and purposes Hutt Space was independent from the Republic.

 

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Jedi Ben  9344 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 3:49pm Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
Too much hassle for too little gain.

 

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Dawud786  2654 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 6:09pm Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
Wasn't there a Hutt that was Supreme Chancellor for a few centuries?

 

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DarthBoba  32891 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 6:13pm Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
Yep.. Supreme Chancellor Blotus.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blotus


And the Hutts were the dominant power between the Infinite Empire and the Republic, iirc.

 

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NelanisGhost  2169 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 6:45pm Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
Annihilation is something Sith would do. Or Yuuzhan Vong.

 

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The2ndRest-in-Peace  604 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/08 7:06pm Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
There would have to be some kind of permanant third-party presence to enforce any anti-crime laws forced upon the Hutt clans to have any effect. That would mean either a sizeable military or diplomatic presence that would likely be highly suceptible to Hutt influence (either through blackmail, bribes or assassination)- it's doubtful they'd be able to maintain such a presence without a fullscale war against Nal Hutta or breaking all the Hutt servant races (Nikto, Gammoreans, etc) away from their influence.

 

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Excellence  24488 posts
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Date Posted: 10/30/08 2:20am Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?

They've been there for tens of thousands of years. Why would you? Who else you gonna make fun of, Gannondorf?

 

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Jedimarine  4888 posts
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Date Posted: 10/30/08 6:19am Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago?
There is also something to be considered in arguments about organized crime.

If crime is to be considered unstoppable, as The Republic certainly thought, and Empire may have thought (at least until the political dissent was squashed)...then the advent of organized crime can be seen as a way to regulate and govern that behavior in the galaxy.

thus why organizations like Black Sun and the Exchange existed without full scale Republic persecution or prosecution...and why the Hutts were essentially allowed to do what they did.

Spice...was gonna move.

Slaves...were gonna be bought.

Smuggling...HAHAHA...try to stop it.

So if the galactic governance is resigned to it's existence, an organization that could oversee it, and thus likely be quietly watched, is a better notion then forcing the black market so far underground, that there are no eyes that can see what's happening, or understand the bulk of the business in it's totality.

Morality vs. Pragmatism...and while the NR would teach a grander "morality"...even it was not silly enough to divert resources to illicit activity prevention...deals are made...and you only bring out the Jedi police in cases of extreme cruelty and suffering...otherwise...the galaxy and it's crime are too big to fathom, let alone bring to a halt.

The Hutts are a menace to conscience...but a check against even more wicked and wild underbelly.

 

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Thrawn McEwok  13599 posts
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Date Posted: 10/30/08 6:20am Subject: RE: Why did the Old or the New republic not get rid of all the Hutt clans long ago? - Date Edited: 10/30/08 6:22am (1 edits total) Edited By: Thrawn McEwok
black_saber posted:
Okey The Hutts from the Knights of the old republic all the way to the NJO order. They have always been againset the Republic and Half of them side with the Sepertist. They are almost reponsble to half of the Crimnal underworld. They also side with the Sith five thousand years ago too. They have almost Half of the Smugglers whom are evil as well as Pirates too.

Any thoughts?


Well, firstly, you'd have to invade and effectively occupy Hutt space.

Next, you'd have to deal with every single Hutt family. There are around fifty major ones, each with its own fortresses, combat forces, bolt-holes, smuggling network, and other often-unexpected resources. Quite a lot of these control whole planets. And that's not counting all the other Hutts. Orko the H'uun, for instance, probably isn't one of the major family leaders (he's a H'uun, not a Hutt), but he's still a powerful kinda guy.

Then you'd have to occupy and clean up Nar Shaddaa, one of the most densely-populated and lawless urban centres in the Galaxy, with a population that seems largely to consist of bounty-hunters, pirates, and a lumpenproletariat entirely loyal to them.

The you'd have to deal with a religious uprising among the Vodrans and Klatooinians, and the near-religious loyalty of the Nikto too.

Then you'd have to deal with all the Hutt cartels operating in non-Hutt space, with their control over crime, their paramilitary resources, and the social implications of the unravelling or manipulation of the trade and contraband networks that they control.

The Republic seems to have won a war or too against the Hutts and imposed (or claimed) a vague overlordship over them, and the Empire actually did kick back the boundaries of Hutt space, liberate border worlds like Lirra, and limit overt Hutt control on planets like Tatooine. So, to answer your question, it's likely that successive Galactic governments have intervened heavily in the Hutt Empire. It's just that, short of genocide and massive, long-term military occupation, dealing all the while with with rampant insurgency and criminality, actually unravelling the Hutt social system and worldview is going to be a tall order.

Then you also have the question of whether the kajidic ideology (which is basically small-government libertarianism) is bad in itself. You'd get some right-wing commentators (and probably some left-wing ones as well) who would say that the real problem was the statist ideology and policies of the Galactic government. They might even be at least partially right.

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Basically, to destroy the Hutt Empire, you'd have to be the Yuuzhan Vong. Do you want that?

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