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CeiranHarmony  4474 posts
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Date Posted: 12/9/08 4:02pm Subject: Movieverse vs. Expanded Universe: Similarities and Differences (This is no continuity discussion!)
Now don´t get me wrong. What I want with this topic is to examine the EU in light of the movieverse (to which I add TV series if GL made)

What messages does the EU mirror that the movies invented

what is EU exclusive philosophywise?

where are differences and why?

examples:

movie messages: evil selfdestructs (evil vs evil / Vader vs Palpatine), good prevails and can redeem, patience of Jedi (Yoda and Obi sitting out the dark times) instead of immediate action always (rushing leads to the dark side???)

EU: Jacen Solo in TFU mirrors Luke in ROTJ, yet the Luke of the NJO has more warrior Jedi in military than the Yoda-esque "Warriors Jedi are not"

or Jedi should fight weaponless... aka dark side cave... yet the NJO uses another road


the idea for this topic came from my other topic about Revan. check it if you like some deeper insight

thoughts? discuss

 

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DarthUr  1370 posts
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Date Posted: 12/9/08 4:11pm Subject: Movieverse vs. Expanded Universe: Similarities and Differences (This is no continuity discussion!)
The EU is definitely less ebulliently pro-democracy than the world of the films, even taking the PT into account.

 
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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 12/9/08 4:17pm Subject: Movieverse vs. Expanded Universe: Similarities and Differences (This is no continuity discussion!) - Date Edited: 12/9/08 4:18pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
Where it mirrors the films
Evil will always destroy itself and the Dark Side leads only to ruin and misery.
The ends don't justify the means.


Where it departs from them
Democracy always fails at the end of the day.
Totalitarian dictatorship is a valid kind of government.
The old Jedi believed you shouldn't feel any emotion.
Fascists can be good people too.
Militarism is a good thing.
Less mythic archetypes.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
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Date Posted: 12/9/08 9:16pm Subject: RE: Movieverse vs. Expanded Universe: Similarities and Differences (This is no continuity discussion - Date Edited: 12/9/08 9:27pm (4 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Master_Starwalker posted:
The old Jedi believed you shouldn't feel any emotion.


Yeah, that stood out when I reread POD: the characterization of the dark side as "the heat of passion and emotion". The material on passion seems to have started with the KOTOR game (peace is a lie, there is only passion), and then it was referenced in ROTS (the Sith rely on their passion for their strength). That was followed by POD's treatment. Of course, different EU authors have evinced different viewpoints - Reaves, for example, describes the passionate white-hot aura of Laranth Tarak.

 

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DarthUr  1370 posts
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Date Posted: 12/9/08 9:19pm Subject: Movieverse vs. Expanded Universe: Similarities and Differences (This is no continuity discussion!)
But that's not just EU vs. movies, that's PT vs. OT.

 
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Arawn_Fenn  10326 posts
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Date Posted: 12/9/08 9:21pm Subject: RE: Movieverse vs. Expanded Universe: Similarities and Differences (This is no continuity discussion - Date Edited: 12/9/08 9:27pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
The movie in question doesn't really conflict with the OT.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 12/9/08 11:41pm Subject: Movieverse vs. Expanded Universe: Similarities and Differences (This is no continuity discussion!) - Date Edited: 12/9/08 11:43pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Master_Starwalker posted:
The old Jedi believed you shouldn't feel any emotion.


Yeah, that stood out when I reread POD: the characterization of the dark side as "the heat of passion and emotion". The material on passion seems to have started with the KOTOR game (peace is a lie, there is only passion), and then it was referenced in ROTS (the Sith rely on their passion for their strength). That was followed by POD's treatment. Of course, different EU authors have evinced different viewpoints - Reaves, for example, describes the passionate white-hot aura of Laranth Tarak.


True, it's hardly universal, but as you point out it's become more prominent since KotOR. RotS could be used to argue it I suppose, but I had always thought the emphasis was more on the fact that the Sith rely on their passions rather than that they feel them.

DarthUr posted:
But that's not just EU vs. movies, that's PT vs. OT.


Not really. The old Jedi are shown feeling emotion throughout the Prequels. They're not so foolish as to believe they can stop people from feeling emotions, they merely think you should be able to control them and set them aside when it's time to do your duty.

Edit: And, I do want to mention that some of the EU has done a good job understanding this, but other parts simply regurgitate what I would consider to be a rather superficial and surface analysis of the Jedi's beliefs.

 

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Excellence  24488 posts
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Date Posted: 12/10/08 12:15am Subject: Movieverse vs. Expanded Universe: Similarities and Differences (This is no continuity discussion!)

I must be a rarity of fandom. I don't give an owl hoot for those movies or think of them whilst reading a star wars book.

 

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