Author Topic: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Kicker  171 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28 5:12pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
CurlyWookie posted:
Kicker posted:
well excuse me, but all of that is irrelevant to what I was aiming at, perhaps the anzati drinks a portion of "soup", then uses the force to create the illusion of luke skywalker? idk if the anzati absorb memories with the soup, but who knows? I was just merely pointing out a possible plot point, not sum fan boy driven theory..
he's most likely an ex-Jedi tho, 5 creds to that thought, any takers?


I already gave my opinion on the subject and you replied with a bunch of attitude, so anyone else with a differing opinion than yours is probably afraid to post. My soup idea had nothing to do with the bounty hunter either. If you want to discuss your "fan-boy theory" that the bounty hunter is an ex-Jedi, you need to be more open-minded to differing opinions. I'm sorry if you didn't get what you wanted, but attacking me isn't going to get you what you want either.


wat bounty hunter are you speaking of? I never said anything about a bounty hunter, so enough.
I don't think this black sun goon is just sum random jedi-killing, force sensitive soup drinker. if he was, why wood they show him holding the saber out & wat not? anyways, if u think about it, he's obviously a bad guy. but if he was bad, y not join the sith instead of sum galactic mafia? because I believe he is an ex-jedi possibly and ended up joining black sun as a last resort once the jedi fell, or he cood be a dark jedi thrown outta the order ages ago, who knows. I'm curious if anyone else has any interesting thoughts on the subject?

 

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Pelranius  6494 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28 6:54pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Jan_Duursema posted:
Doubt Cade would have any regret at all about mind-tricking the Imperials. They serve the Sith; they deserve what they get.

Stealing from Black Sun? Good. Stealing from Black Sun and the Sith Empire at the same time...priceless.


If he wanted to do good, he could have just directed the Imperials towards Fel or whoever. The way they were eating out of his hand...

 

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JediAlly  3308 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28 10:19pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
LetoQuorme posted:
On the page where Cade & crew reveal themselves to the Imp crew and Black Sun thug, Deliah was looking totally smokin' in that new outfit! I actually said "Wow!" out loud when I flipped the page and saw her. Great work Jan!


As for Deliah's new outfit - to quote the infamous Villie, "YUM! YUM!" drooling

 

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Darth-Ghost  5690 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28 10:41pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Jan_Duursema posted:
Doubt Cade would have any regret at all about mind-tricking the Imperials. They serve the Sith; they deserve what they get.

Stealing from Black Sun? Good. Stealing from Black Sun and the Sith Empire at the same time...priceless.


True, but I couldn't help but sense a tiny hint of regret when he said "galaxy helps those who help themselves." He's not there yet, but it seems like even smuggling is now reminding Cade of his family legacy, by disappointing even Imperials who think he's a Jedi who has come to save them.

 

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Darth_Nihl  64 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28 10:42pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Zorrixor posted:


In the end, the consequences of Krayt's death can be summed up in what Wyyrlok himself already told us:
Darth Wyyrlok in Legacy #34 posted:
We must go to Coruscant. Once the throne is secure, we implement the next stage of Lord Krayt's plan for peace in a galaxy united. Every being in the galaxy will become part of the Sith Order. One Galaxy. One Sith. And then there will be peace.

That is the bombshell that is going to result from Krayt's demise. It's all just a case of how long before we get there. It's going to be hard for even the Jedi Council to run and hide when the entire galaxy are [being] turned into Sith. whistling


Isn't it possibly - perhaps even likely - that Darth Wyyrlok was speaking metaphorically? Bringing even just the military to Korriban would require a tremendous amount of resources and time, and for what? To give stormtroopers red tattoos? No matter what, the Sith cannot give others the ability to use the force. I think Wyyrlok is saying that soon, the galaxy will be Sith - in name only.

 

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Darth-Ghost  5690 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28 11:19pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4) - Date Edited: 6/28 11:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
Darth_Nihl posted:
Zorrixor posted:


In the end, the consequences of Krayt's death can be summed up in what Wyyrlok himself already told us:
Darth Wyyrlok in Legacy #34 posted:
We must go to Coruscant. Once the throne is secure, we implement the next stage of Lord Krayt's plan for peace in a galaxy united. Every being in the galaxy will become part of the Sith Order. One Galaxy. One Sith. And then there will be peace.

That is the bombshell that is going to result from Krayt's demise. It's all just a case of how long before we get there. It's going to be hard for even the Jedi Council to run and hide when the entire galaxy are [being] turned into Sith. whistling


Isn't it possibly - perhaps even likely - that Darth Wyyrlok was speaking metaphorically? Bringing even just the military to Korriban would require a tremendous amount of resources and time, and for what? To give stormtroopers red tattoos? No matter what, the Sith cannot give others the ability to use the force. I think Wyyrlok is saying that soon, the galaxy will be Sith - in name only.


I think you misunderstand. The're not going to try and ship the entire galaxy into Korriban, the entire galaxy will BECOME Korriban. Everyone will be indoctrinated/brainswashed into become One Sith. Not necessarily using the Force, but being absorbed into their culture and dark philosophy.

For example, 1st graders will memorize the Sith Code and be tortured for disobedience, all work will be devoted to add to the glory of the Sith Empire, children will be required to kill their parents as a worthy sacrifice to the One Sith once they are old enough (like Talon killing her master Ruyn), murder of one's enemies will be encouraged so only the strong will survive, etc. Maybe the military will be tattooed, and some higher-ups in the administration. But every citizen's lifestyle will become identical to a Sith's. Like the old Sith empire on Korriban that the Dark Jedi Exiles controlled, where they ruled but everyone was Sith, sut on a galactic scale.

 

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Magnuskn  730 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 3:54am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Darth-Ghost posted:
Jan_Duursema posted:
Doubt Cade would have any regret at all about mind-tricking the Imperials. They serve the Sith; they deserve what they get.

Stealing from Black Sun? Good. Stealing from Black Sun and the Sith Empire at the same time...priceless.


True, but I couldn't help but sense a tiny hint of regret when he said "galaxy helps those who help themselves." He's not there yet, but it seems like even smuggling is now reminding Cade of his family legacy, by disappointing even Imperials who think he's a Jedi who has come to save them.


I fear I couldn´t detect that hint of self-regret you and others seem to have seen, and thought of it as just another moment of Cade being an ass. Same for Jariah and Deliah.

Something really needs to be done to shake the crew out of their "Being bad is good!" attitude, unless they become too unlikeable to be considered heroes.

 

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Date Posted: 6/29 6:07am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Magnuskn posted:
Darth-Ghost posted:
Jan_Duursema posted:
Doubt Cade would have any regret at all about mind-tricking the Imperials. They serve the Sith; they deserve what they get.

Stealing from Black Sun? Good. Stealing from Black Sun and the Sith Empire at the same time...priceless.


True, but I couldn't help but sense a tiny hint of regret when he said "galaxy helps those who help themselves." He's not there yet, but it seems like even smuggling is now reminding Cade of his family legacy, by disappointing even Imperials who think he's a Jedi who has come to save them.


I fear I couldn´t detect that hint of self-regret you and others seem to have seen, and thought of it as just another moment of Cade being an ass. Same for Jariah and Deliah.

Something really needs to be done to shake the crew out of their "Being bad is good!" attitude, unless they become too unlikeable to be considered heroes.


Since when it is bad to steal from the bad guys? And if someone serves the Sith Empire they are the bad guys. The Imperial Captain or his crew could have chosen to follow Roan Fel when the Sith took over, but they chose to stay and serve the Sith. Can't blame them, I suppose--their jobs didn't really change under Sith rule. Still got fair credits for their jobs. Maybe they even got a raise. They could have taken their cargo to Roan Fel or Gar Stazi, but their choice was to be good little Imperial cogs and do exactly what their Sith masters have told them to do to keep the great Sith Imperial war machine running.

Cade is a wrench in the gears. Sure he is selling what he steals for profit, but it's entirely possible that these goods are things folks in the Outer Rim haven't seen for a long time under Sith Rule.

 

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MercenaryAce  2758 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 7:17am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Jan_Duursema posted:
Doubt Cade would have any regret at all about mind-tricking the Imperials. They serve the Sith; they deserve what they get.

Stealing from Black Sun? Good. Stealing from Black Sun and the Sith Empire at the same time...priceless.

So...if these are Krayt's Imperials, why would they believe a jedi would help them anyway?

 

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Date Posted: 6/29 7:30am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
MercenaryAce posted:
Jan_Duursema posted:
Doubt Cade would have any regret at all about mind-tricking the Imperials. They serve the Sith; they deserve what they get.

Stealing from Black Sun? Good. Stealing from Black Sun and the Sith Empire at the same time...priceless.

So...if these are Krayt's Imperials, why would they believe a jedi would help them anyway?


The captain remembers the old times when the Jedi 'used to' be the good guys.

 

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Master_Keralys  6378 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 8:37am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Jan, I don't think the issue that people have is that Cade is stealing from the Sith-Imperials. It's the fact that, 37 issues along, the only real difference we can see in Cade is that he's got a lightsaber... That being said, this arc is obviously supposed to push hima round a bit, and that'd be a good thing.

Because, as Zor pointed out (quite accurately, I think), people are just hitting the end of their rope when it comes to Cade being whiny. "We get it already!" people are saying. But the arcs that have been people's favorites have had a couple things in common: very tight plotting, a lot happening in every single issue, and an ultimate change in the status quo. And I think what's frustrating people is that the change in the status quo from Vector is not being felt yet - six months later. Not in a significant way, at least.

Cade's still whining and off doing his own thing - not least because, Azlyn aside, he feels he made the right decision and that the outcome supports him. Krayt is dead, but we haven't seen any consequences for the Sith or the rest of the universe yet. The Jedi are still sitting back on their haunches. The alliance between the GA and the Empire is still barely extant. And so on.

Now, I recognize (of course!) that there are limitations: we've only had 6 issues, so only 132 pages. On the other hand, we went from starting the series through a significant battle with the Sith, Marasiah dying and being brought back to life, and Krayt issuing his "Get me Cade Skywalker order," including the initial stuff with Hosk, not to mention the actual strike at Ossus in the same amount of space. And while not every arc needs to be that tightly plotted, it just doesn't really feel like much has happened since Vector ended. Cade got annoyed, Azlyn ended up in the suit, and the GA and Empire fought a battle. (I loved the Mon Cal issues, as a side note, so I should probably cut it down to 4 issues in some regards, but that space has still been used...)

I guess what I'm getting at is that the apce seems to have really slowed down, and it was that breakneck sense of rushing through a broken galaxy again that captivated us all with Legacy in the first place. And it's felt missing... though maybe that's just me. peace

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 8:52am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4) - Date Edited: 6/29 8:56am (2 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
Keralys posted:
It's the fact that, 37 issues along, the only real difference we can see in Cade is that he's got a lightsaber../

Well, since he kept getting worse and worse over those 37 issues (with very occasional signs of getting better), I think the fact that he's back to how he was in Issue #1 (more or less) is a step in the *right* direction, frankly. Though he may have come full circle you cannot claim that he's been static.

Whilst there was a little angst in this issue, Cade wasn't anywhere near as GrimDarkAngstSelfish as he has been as of late and, for me, it was a breath of fresh air to go back to a version of Cade that I didn't despise. Alot of the draw of Legacy, for me, was the Cade/Deliah/Blue dynamic and their being scoundrels who jaunt around the galaxy and have fun doing it.

So, obviously, I loved #37... even if Cade is only going through the motions.

 

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Master_Keralys  6378 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 8:56am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Fair enough. I'm just ready for him to go somewhere besides down and back again. (I loathed Jane Eyre for the simple reason that it's just a giant mental circle for the protagonist...)

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 9:07am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Yeah, Cade seems to have got stuck in the "denial of the call" section of the hero's journey.

If he does go "down", though, I hope he doesn't come back.

 

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Corax78  117 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 9:58am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
I think there has been change in Cade. He isn't bounty hunting for Rav to get death sticks for one thing and he's striking back at the Sith Empire and Black Sun in his own way. Is he a normal Skywalker? No. Will he be? I hope not. We've seen the perfect Skywalker with Luke, and it's starting to repeat with Ben, and we've seen ultimate evil with Anakin. Why not keep him middle of the road?

Another thing to keep in mind is that not much time has passed between issue #2 and issue #37 in universe. Sure in real time it's been three years, but at least it's not like 40 years of (insert superhero name here) that keeps rehashing the same story or let's reboot the continuity for 4 years before we realize we want the 42nd issue to really say #600.

 

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