Author Topic: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Zorrixor  4359 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 1:27pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4) - Date Edited: 6/29 1:29pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
Finally read the issue myself... I see that it is actually Nyna wanting to go to Korriban, not Veed as someone mentioned--he's just having a private audience with Wyyrlok, presumably the reaction to Wyyrlok's earlier line about returning to Coruscant to "secure the throne".

Securing the throne... and private audience with Veed... that says all I need to know. whistling

This way around though, with Nyna wanting to go to Korriban--which I guess she may do under the Morrigan alias, maybe even with Cade in tow--will likely mean that by the time she confirms Krayt is dead it'll be too late, and Veed will probably have been brainwashed and installed as a puppet Emperor, who won't want anything to do with a traitor to the Sith.

There also felt to be a lot of distinct foreshadowing of why appointing Veed would be a sensible move, with all the discussion of how the Sith need the military, and yet unrest is starting to spread through the ranks with rumours of Krayt's demise. Giving the top job to one of their own would shut them up.

Having read it, I would agree though with the feeling that Cade doesn't seem quite as grouchy this issue. He's very much in the mindset I suggested a few posts back, the naive "Krayt's dead. I can do whatever I want!" attitude... which is a level of overconfidence destined to be set up just so it can be brought crashing back down again. I get a possible "Enter Act 2" feeling, with a lot of the Cade/Deliah/Jariah scene being like the reintroduction of the cast at the start of the next Episode. Ditto with the explicit summary of who Gunner is again. It all conveys a "This is where you can jump in for Part 2" feeling.

Conveniently enough, there also is quite a ESB feel with how the Mynock was portrayed as a broken hunk of junk badly in need of repair, rather like the usual state of the Falcon.

I'm left baffled though how Gunner can't recognise her own mother as Morrigan... I increasingly think there's more to Morrigan than the story has let on. The gripe about how Nyna has no Sith spies to call on was noticeable too... unless we're going to see her in her Sith getup again; either that or Cade's going to be the one to dress up this time. Regardless, Nyna's spy gear though apparently seems to be more than just a wig though.

It's funny really given how Gunner looks exactly like a young Morrigan. tongue

Which probably means I should actually be saying that her Moff gear apparently seems to be more than just hair dye.

 

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Jedi Ben  9355 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 2:00pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Personally I like this issue due to the limited amount of space given to Cade, with the rest being used to further other plots which were of far more interest.

Keralys, I'd suggest you adopt a similar perception to avoid Cade irking you too much.

 

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BROWNHORNET  101 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 2:09pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
I really liked this issue, much better than the last one. Anytime Nyna Calixte's involved, I'm all in. I love her and Veed. The new Imperial on Tatoonine also seems like an interesting foil for Nyna, I hope she stays around a while. It's funny but after reading a lot of the Cade hate on this thread it seems, I can now come out of the closet. I've never cared for Cade. I like just about everyone else but him.

I don't want Cade to be another Luke, and I guess another Anakin either. It's good that the writers, etc. decided to go in another direction with him to make him stand out I suppose, but I don't care for him. He's complex, he has flaws, he's pretty realized, and that's all good, but for some reason I just can't get into him. Syn and Blue are cool, but Cade doesn't work for me.

But the Legacy galaxy is just so darned interesting that I tolerate Cade. I don't see him though really accepting Luke or Kol's mantle. It just wouldn't feel right, or fit the character. I hope in this instance there is another...Sky...walker out there. I hope Kol slept around.

 

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Magnuskn  734 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 2:20pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Jan_Duursema posted:
Since when it is bad to steal from the bad guys? And if someone serves the Sith Empire they are the bad guys. The Imperial Captain or his crew could have chosen to follow Roan Fel when the Sith took over, but they chose to stay and serve the Sith. Can't blame them, I suppose--their jobs didn't really change under Sith rule. Still got fair credits for their jobs. Maybe they even got a raise. They could have taken their cargo to Roan Fel or Gar Stazi, but their choice was to be good little Imperial cogs and do exactly what their Sith masters have told them to do to keep the great Sith Imperial war machine running.


Because the captain came off as a victim in this issue. I felt more empathy for his obvious feeling of betrayal, when Cade revealed himself to be nothing more than a pirate, than for the entire crew of the Mynock for the rest of the comic.

This is partly because that captain is a blank slate ( and being still in the employ of the Sith Empire has been portrayed in the book as not being completely evil, but maybe honorbound to the throne... see issue #36 with Captain Vaclen Tor, who was portrayed as a honorable being ) and the crew of the Mynock has behaved rather... unadmirably during Storms and now for the first issue of the new arc.

All I am saying is that, for me at least, the crew being uncaring pirates doesn´t work, if they are supposed to be the main characters. If I´d want to read about a crew of nasty selfish pirates, I´d read a pirate novel, not a Star Wars comic.

Ulicus posted:
Alot of the draw of Legacy, for me, was the Cade/Deliah/Blue dynamic and their being scoundrels who jaunt around the galaxy and have fun doing it.


But they aren´t having fun. You can notice that both Jariah and Deliah are going through the motions, distressed over the fact that Cade is withdrawing more and more into himself.

Zorrixor posted:
Which probably means I should actually be saying that her Moff gear apparently seems to be more than just hair dye.


I always thought that Morrigan looks way younger than Nyna. I am guessing that those three metallic dots in her face aren´t just cosmetic but rather something which serves as a mask of some sort.

 

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Corax78  124 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 2:43pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
I don't see the Captain as a victim anymore than I saw any of the Imperials during the films as victims. They serve the bad guys = they are bad guys.


The dots on Morrigan's face are communication devices.


 

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Date Posted: 6/29 3:39pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Magnuskn posted:
Ulicus posted:
Alot of the draw of Legacy, for me, was the Cade/Deliah/Blue dynamic and their being scoundrels who jaunt around the galaxy and have fun doing it.

But they aren´t having fun. You can notice that both Jariah and Deliah are going through the motions, distressed over the fact that Cade is withdrawing more and more into himself.
They appeared to be having a pretty good time to me – sitting around grinning and saying things like, “This one was real good,” and “ This is like old times. BETTER than old times!” They didn’t get grouchy until the ship broke down and they didn’t have the money to shop or buy drinks for ladies.

I actually got the impression that Cade was the one ‘going through the motions’ in this issue. He seemed to be trying a little too hard to recreate the good old days of fancy, freewheeling with his friends when the truth is that he can no longer be an anonymous pirate. Unless he does as Bantha suggested and changes his identity, he will always be a wanted man and I think that’s starting to sink in, which could account for the detachment that Syn and Blue noticed.

 

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Magnuskn  734 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 4:17pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Corax78 posted:
I don't see the Captain as a victim anymore than I saw any of the Imperials during the films as victims. They serve the bad guys = they are bad guys.


I saw the guy as a truck driver in uniform. His ship is barely bigger than the pirate ship which was docked with it.

And we got quite a lot of sympathetic Sith Empire characters already. Do you consider Gunner to be evil? The Skull Squadron people? John and Jan actually went to great lengths to not show that a member of the Sith Empire military isn´t necessary a bad guy, only the Sith themselves are rotten to the core ( although I kinda wonder if there aren´t glimmers of hope for Darth Talon. ). As it is, it was pretty easy to see the captain in the victims role. Maybe he should have kicked a puppy. tongue

Corax78 posted:
The dots on Morrigan's face are communication devices.


That´s what she calls them, at least. Have we ever seen her use them as such?

 

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Darth-Ghost  5758 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 4:38pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4) - Date Edited: 6/29 4:39pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
Zorrixor posted:
Finally read the issue myself... I see that it is actually Nyna wanting to go to Korriban, not Veed as someone mentioned--he's just having a private audience with Wyyrlok, presumably the reaction to Wyyrlok's earlier line about returning to Coruscant to "secure the throne".

Securing the throne... and private audience with Veed... that says all I need to know. whistling

This way around though, with Nyna wanting to go to Korriban--which I guess she may do under the Morrigan alias, maybe even with Cade in tow--will likely mean that by the time she confirms Krayt is dead it'll be too late, and Veed will probably have been brainwashed and installed as a puppet Emperor, who won't want anything to do with a traitor to the Sith.

There also felt to be a lot of distinct foreshadowing of why appointing Veed would be a sensible move, with all the discussion of how the Sith need the military, and yet unrest is starting to spread through the ranks with rumours of Krayt's demise. Giving the top job to one of their own would shut them up.

Having read it, I would agree though with the feeling that Cade doesn't seem quite as grouchy this issue. He's very much in the mindset I suggested a few posts back, the naive "Krayt's dead. I can do whatever I want!" attitude... which is a level of overconfidence destined to be set up just so it can be brought crashing back down again. I get a possible "Enter Act 2" feeling, with a lot of the Cade/Deliah/Jariah scene being like the reintroduction of the cast at the start of the next Episode. Ditto with the explicit summary of who Gunner is again. It all conveys a "This is where you can jump in for Part 2" feeling.

Conveniently enough, there also is quite a ESB feel with how the Mynock was portrayed as a broken hunk of junk badly in need of repair, rather like the usual state of the Falcon.

I'm left baffled though how Gunner can't recognise her own mother as Morrigan... I increasingly think there's more to Morrigan than the story has let on. The gripe about how Nyna has no Sith spies to call on was noticeable too... unless we're going to see her in her Sith getup again; either that or Cade's going to be the one to dress up this time. Regardless, Nyna's spy gear though apparently seems to be more than just a wig though.

It's funny really given how Gunner looks exactly like a young Morrigan. tongue

Which probably means I should actually be saying that her Moff gear apparently seems to be more than just hair dye.


Whoever predicted that Veed would become puppet Emperor seems to be right on the mark!

And Gunner hasn't met Morrigan yet, or Cade yet. I bet when all 3 are in the same room, at last, we'll finally get down to the big reveal. I wonder how Cade will react to his mother being a Moff, or Jariah realizing Cade's mom is also the one who interrogated him and Deliah back when they were betrayed by Rav. i'm also guessing that Morrigan will be on Korriban in the next issue, before going to Tattoine.

 

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Date Posted: 6/29 5:11pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Zorrixor posted:
I'm left baffled though how Gunner can't recognise her own mother as Morrigan... I increasingly think there's more to Morrigan than the story has let on.

There definitely is-- both Corde and Calixte are disguises.

Her true self? Nei Rin.

 

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AnnLouise  925 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 5:49pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Master_Keralys posted:

Cade's still whining and off doing his own thing - not least because, Azlyn aside, he feels he made the right decision and that the outcome supports him. Krayt is dead, but we haven't seen any consequences for the Sith or the rest of the universe yet. The Jedi are still sitting back on their haunches. The alliance between the GA and the Empire is still barely extant. And so on.



Hi - you summed up why I'm keeping up with Legacy through TFN and not picking it up at the comics store. I just lost patience with Cade. I didn't expect him to turn into a boy scout, or anything like that. Maybe not a hero's journey...I just wanted him to start moving in a new direction; but Cade just seemed to backslide into his sullen James Dean-wannabe persona.

 

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Date Posted: 6/29 8:51pm Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4) - Date Edited: 6/29 8:57pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
Trip posted:
Zorrixor posted:
I'm left baffled though how Gunner can't recognise her own mother as Morrigan... I increasingly think there's more to Morrigan than the story has let on.

There definitely is-- both Corde and Calixte are disguises.

Her true self? Nei Rin.

Wouldn't be surprised. I'm pretty certain she uses a masquer already. (What if Morrigan isn't Nyna, but has assumed her identity?)

Oh man, my Nyna/Morrigan love went up this issue.... love

I half hope she's a Banite Sith just so she can bring Wyyrlok - and the rest of the galaxy - to heel. Though it'd be even cooler if she did that just as she is.

 

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beccatoria  1921 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30 12:13am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Ulicus posted:
Trip posted:
Zorrixor posted:
I'm left baffled though how Gunner can't recognise her own mother as Morrigan... I increasingly think there's more to Morrigan than the story has let on.

There definitely is-- both Corde and Calixte are disguises.

Her true self? Nei Rin.

Wouldn't be surprised. I'm pretty certain she uses a masquer already. (What if Morrigan isn't Nyna, but has assumed her identity?)

Oh man, my Nyna/Morrigan love went up this issue.... love

I half hope she's a Banite Sith just so she can bring Wyyrlok - and the rest of the galaxy - to heel. Though it'd be even cooler if she did that just as she is.


I would be okay with Morrigan having assumed Nyna's identity via a masquer (though I do like the idea that she just does it all really well with make-up).

As long as they don't then use that to say that she's not really Gunner's mom, she just took her place. Cus I'm terribly attached to Gunner being Cade's sister. That was an awesome sub-reveal of the awesome Morrigan/Nyna reveal and I'd hate to see it retconned. Not that I particularly think it will be. I'm just sayin'. wink

I'm also totally torn on the Banite Sith thing. On the one hand TRIPLE GODDESS. On the other, YET MORE AWESOME. On the third, it's also kind of nice to have awesome non-Force Sensitives around and I don't think she needs to be a Banite Sith.

Maybe we'll...actually find out some more soon? *crosses fingers*

(Plus I still REALLY want to know who Marasiah's mom is/was. I don't...particularly think it was Morrigan but she's yet another child of privilege left to be raised by her father and follow in his footsteps, with no mom on the scene. Which is a pattern.)

 

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Date Posted: 6/30 1:05am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4) - Date Edited: 6/30 1:14am (4 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
Masquer?! Uli, you sir are a genius. Remember that shower scene? The one where everyone was talking about how there was some sort of odd line across Nyna's legs like she'd still got her clothes on in the shower? shock

I think you've just struck the jackpot with that theory. I'm certainly in. tongue

It'd make a lot of sense, at least. After the close up head shot (that was very wonderfully drawn) of Gunner in this issue, I'm convinced Morrigan is her true face, as it just gave me "Brianna/Kreia" jitters with how the pair of them (Gunner and Morrigan) have similar hair, eyes, and faces (well, Nyna has the eyes; Morrigan has the hair/face).

Which actually leaves me thinking there may indeed yet be a third blonde, blue eyed persona. Though, Cade is green eyed, so it's actually a little hard to decide which of the eyes are the real ones. thinking

Nei Rin though... um, yeah... that image was just wrong. tongue

Thinking about her and Veed's "You don't have a Sith to call on?" discussion about how to get into Korriban, that leaves me thinking one of two things: (i) her Sith outfit was more than just an outfit; (ii) without a Force-user to call on, she's going to enlist Cade, paint him red, and point him towards Korriban as her infiltrator.

However... it's not like Cade needs proof Krayt's dead, so there still seems to be a missing piece of the puzzle somewhere. But maybe he'll be happy to go and see for himself too, as even back in Storms he was more telling himself "Krayt is dead. Yes he is. Really. No way did he survive." than in my view fully convinced that it was true. He might well want to confirm for himself too.

As for "the dots"... they're communication devices, as I think either Jan or John have said... but they're also so weird that I'm not convinced that's all they are. Both John and JJM are renowned for giving us misleading information, so at the moment I still think they serve a dual purpose.

Oh, and I thought the Imperial Captain looked like Pellaeon. I couldn't help but have a degree of sympathy after noticing that. tongue As a backwater captain, he strikes me as someone who just does his job without stressing too much about the politics that go on at Coruscant. I also liked how he added to the need for Wyyrlok to do something to secure the fleet's allegiance, as he (and Moff Gromia, for that matter) showed that people aren't all devoutly worshipping the Sith Order's backsides as Wyyrlok wants.

...which adds to my feelings that, assuming Veed becomes Emperor, there is no possible way Veed is living through this without being totally psychically assaulted and brainwashed. Wyyrlok does not strike me as the sort who would just gamble with Veed, a known hothead, in the hopes that by making him Emperor it'll appease him. I'm pretty sure Wyyrlok would know doing that would doom the Sith Order, given if Veed withdrew the fleet's support that'd be the Sith done. Hence why I'm fully expecting Veed to be the victim of one mammoth mind wipe.

And if anything in this post is completely off the wall, I apologise, my memory of the issue is a little fuzzy at present as I just woke up and think I must have been dreaming about it or something, as I've got this image in my head of Morrigan doing a Force Push and saying something about how she has a duty to the Sith... I'm guessing none of that really happened. I probably should now go and reread the issue again. tongue

 

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Date Posted: 6/30 9:02am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
beccatoria posted:
I would be okay with Morrigan having assumed Nyna's identity via a masquer (though I do like the idea that she just does it all really well with make-up).

As long as they don't then use that to say that she's not really Gunner's mom, she just took her place. Cus I'm terribly attached to Gunner being Cade's sister. That was an awesome sub-reveal of the awesome Morrigan/Nyna reveal and I'd hate to see it retconned. Not that I particularly think it will be. I'm just sayin'. wink

Yeah, I hear that.

beccatoria posted:

I'm also totally torn on the Banite Sith thing. On the one hand TRIPLE GODDESS. On the other, YET MORE AWESOME. On the third, it's also kind of nice to have awesome non-Force Sensitives around and I don't think she needs to be a Banite Sith.

Maybe we'll...actually find out some more soon? *crosses fingers*

The only reason I'd want her to be a Banite Sith (or whatever) is because that would allow her to bring Wyyrlok to heel. If she's not going to do that, however, I'm more than happy for her to stay the non-FS badass that she is. Because, you're right, she doesn't need to be Force Sensitive.

Though if she had some sort of ability to hide herself in the Force it would help explain things.

Beccatoria posted:

(Plus I still REALLY want to know who Marasiah's mom is/was. I don't...particularly think it was Morrigan but she's yet another child of privilege left to be raised by her father and follow in his footsteps, with no mom on the scene. Which is a pattern.)

Indeed. Maybe this series is actually about the legacy of Morrigan? whistling

Zorrixor posted:
Masquer?! Uli, you sir are a genius. Remember that shower scene? The one where everyone was talking about how there was some sort of odd line across Nyna's legs like she'd still got her clothes on in the shower? shock

I do remember. I even scanned and pasted in an image of the shower panel to point it out in the issue's thread:



Though I think I'm seeing what I want to see. It certainly doesn't look quite as dramatic as the masquer in Rebellion did. tongue

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I think you've just struck the jackpot with that theory. I'm certainly in. tongue

Cool. I've got to give Trip props, really. All I ever did was say "it looks like she's wearing another layer of skin!", he was the one who gave me a NJO-continuity slap and said: "Probably a masquer".

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It'd make a lot of sense, at least. After the close up head shot (that was very wonderfully drawn) of Gunner in this issue, I'm convinced Morrigan is her true face, as it just gave me "Brianna/Kreia" jitters with how the pair of them (Gunner and Morrigan) have similar hair, eyes, and faces (well, Nyna has the eyes; Morrigan has the hair/face).

Which actually leaves me thinking there may indeed yet be a third blonde, blue eyed persona. Though, Cade is green eyed, so it's actually a little hard to decide which of the eyes are the real ones. thinking

I actually think Gunn looks very much like Yage. Much as I love the idea that she's actually Kol's kid. Doesn't Yage have blue eyes?

Zorrixor posted:

Thinking about her and Veed's "You don't have a Sith to call on?" discussion about how to get into Korriban, that leaves me thinking one of two things: (i) her Sith outfit was more than just an outfit; (ii) without a Force-user to call on, she's going to enlist Cade, paint him red, and point him towards Korriban as her infiltrator.

Heh. It'd be interesting if that Sith identity was a longstanding one.

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...which adds to my feelings that, assuming Veed becomes Emperor, there is no possible way Veed is living through this without being totally psychically assaulted and brainwashed. Wyyrlok does not strike me as the sort who would just gamble with Veed, a known hothead, in the hopes that by making him Emperor it'll appease him. I'm pretty sure Wyyrlok would know doing that would doom the Sith Order, given if Veed withdrew the fleet's support that'd be the Sith done. Hence why I'm fully expecting Veed to be the victim of one mammoth mind wipe.

I sort of hope that, with Nyna's aid, Veed manages to come out on top here.

Yeah, I don't know, I'm sort of going off the One Sith as antagonists. I kind of wish A'Sharad had resurrected the legions of Lettow, instead.

 

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Date Posted: 6/30 9:59am Subject: Legacy #37: Tatooine, part 1 (of 4)
Ulicus posted:
Indeed. Maybe this series is actually about the legacy of Morrigan? whistling


Dude, we WISH. Mom has us well trained.

Ulicus posted:
Zorrixor posted:

It'd make a lot of sense, at least. After the close up head shot (that was very wonderfully drawn) of Gunner in this issue, I'm convinced Morrigan is her true face, as it just gave me "Brianna/Kreia" jitters with how the pair of them (Gunner and Morrigan) have similar hair, eyes, and faces (well, Nyna has the eyes; Morrigan has the hair/face).

Which actually leaves me thinking there may indeed yet be a third blonde, blue eyed persona. Though, Cade is green eyed, so it's actually a little hard to decide which of the eyes are the real ones. thinking

I actually think Gunn looks very much like Yage. Much as I love the idea that she's actually Kol's kid. Doesn't Yage have blue eyes?


I think Gunn looks a lot like Yage too, but she also looks a lot like Morrigan. And since Cade looks a lot like Morrigan and not that much like Kol (if we go by non-biologically accurate symbolic comic book hair + eye colour math), I'd say that Morrigan is her real physical appearance, more-or-less.

Morrigan has the same pale-green eyes as Cade rather than the dark green ones Kol has.

So like, reverse-engineering things from her kids, I'd say that she looks more like Morrigan than Nyna naturally.


Ulicus posted:
Zorrixor posted:

Thinking about her and Veed's "You don't have a Sith to call on?" discussion about how to get into Korriban, that leaves me thinking one of two things: (i) her Sith outfit was more than just an outfit; (ii) without a Force-user to call on, she's going to enlist Cade, paint him red, and point him towards Korriban as her infiltrator.

Heh. It'd be interesting if that Sith identity was a longstanding one.


And Marasiah's mom since we know the descendants of the Skywalkers can't help but fall for wildly inappropriate people.

(No, really, I don't know why I keep harping on about this. In practical terms I really do worry piling on the identities would start to get impossible and there's very little TIME for her to disappear from her marriage to Yage or whatever right after she ditches Kol and have yet ANOTHER kid this time with the freakin' EMPEROR. So again, I don't actually think she's Sia's mom. I just think Sia's mom shouldn't be forgotten and pretending like it's Morrigan...entertains me.)

 

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