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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 7/20/09 7:23am Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Zorrixor posted: Well... unless he dies Zayne will still be there to help the Jedi rebuild after the war. But he doesn't get the "mythic" role that the Exile (or Luke) does in being the founder. Though, hey, he could always end up being Atton. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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Vrook_Lamar Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 7/20/09 9:37am Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2) - Date Edited: 7/20/09 9:38am (1 edits total) Edited By: Vrook_Lamar
	Ulicus posted: For some reason, reading this issue, I had a vision of Zayne and Jarael ending up as a married couple who still did this sort of thing well into their old age. Shel's nice, and all, but at this point... yeah, I'm firmly throwing my weight into the Zayne/Jarael shipper camp. Ulicus lands in the camp with a thud I'm regretably moving towards Zayne/Jarael since Shel never appears. Seriously, can we have a female secondary lead who isn't the male primary lead's love interest for once?
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 7/20/09 11:38am Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Can't say I've ever liked Shel. But then, I guess never seeing her doesn't help. Her character is just overly generic as things stand, since she's just the stereotypical stay at home love interest, which feels off in a series as bizarre and screwy as most of KOTOR's characters are.
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Grey1 Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 7/20/09 3:12pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	One thing I forgot on the last post: I'd like to agree that Deep Impact is way better than Armageddon. Zorrixor posted: Really depends what happens to him... and Lucien's bunch for that matter. They've all chosen to keep out of the Mandalorian Wars, but would they run away from the Jedi Civil War? I'm not so sure I can see them turning a blind eye to all that. When #35 came out, I totally saw Lucien et al sitting it out with humility. Not trying to change the galaxy, because Lucien saw the most extreme outcome of what happens when you get involved in those things. I saw his Jedi as the base for a new peaceful order - notice how they all wear the ordinary brown "peasant robes" that will be the regular outfit in the far future. I think it would be best if Lucien and his gang stayed out of the story indefinitely, only popping up in some background info mentioning how they came out of the woods after the Exile cleared everything up, or seeing how things are going, maybe even only after the dust of TOR settles. I hope that Zayne's ressouces aren't related to Lucien. I wouldn't be disappointed or anything if they are, but I'd rather have Lucien phased out of the story. With really nobody knowing that he's still alive, and no matter how much he's influencing his Jedi group, his name not having any continuing importance. Just like Revan abandoned his name. The galaxy should continue to believe that he has died at the Covenant bombing. Ulicus posted: For some reason, reading this issue, I had a vision of Zayne and Jarael ending up as a married couple who still did this sort of thing well into their old age. I think everyone here should think about all professional relationships he or she had with a person from the other gender. Now imagine something like that would always turn out as a romantic relationship whatever. Besides, #42 really shot down the romance possibility for me; neither Jarael nor Zayne seemed "hormonally charged" after the kiss. There was no question whatsoever whether any of them really felt like what they did. And in JJM's world of con people who are not what they seem, it's only natural that the two leads would be able to fake a kiss that does not only fool Malak and Gryph, but also part of the audience. I just wonder if they spoke to Gryph afterwards... Zorrixor posted: Can't say I've ever liked Shel. But then, I guess never seeing her doesn't help. Her character is just overly generic as things stand, since she's just the stereotypical stay at home love interest, which feels off in a series as bizarre and screwy as most of KOTOR's characters are. The whole "return to Taris" arc seems to me like it was in another lifetime... It had a certain intensity that didn't come up again on that exact wavelength, but I can't really put a finger on it. Maybe because it was so much about going back to Zayne's roots, while any other issue is "just" about exploring the galaxy and introducing new elements. And in that regard, I think that Shel had a very interesting role that somehow fell out of the story altogether. I sometimes wonder if she'll reappear at all, but then again, Jarael was also absent during Vector and Vindication, and she's still one of the big three. Shel might actually come back with a twist (and no, I'm not saying she's the Exile). -----signature----- Jacen had learned that one can meet the Universe [...] with fear, or with hatred, or with despair. Or one can choose to meet it with love. Jacen had chosen. But still, he was astonished to discover that the Universe could love him back.
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 7/20/09 3:21pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Grey1 posted: I hope that Zayne's ressouces aren't related to Lucien. I wouldn't be disappointed or anything if they are, but I'd rather have Lucien phased out of the story. With really nobody knowing that he's still alive, and no matter how much he's influencing his Jedi group, his name not having any continuing importance. Just like Revan abandoned his name. The galaxy should continue to believe that he has died at the Covenant bombing. I've not put all that much thought to who Zayne's "contacts" are; but when you talk about how Lucien is believed to be dead... I'm now suddenly thinking that's going to be the case. It would certainly explain why he is so reluctant to mention who it is, for want of keeping Lucien's survival secret (as for obvious reasons he'd still be wanted for his crimes). I've never been able to make sense of why Zayne would care if people knew he was working for the Jedi Council (especially after both he and Jarael have burnt their bridges with the Revanchists). But because of the need to keep Lucien secret? That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Grey1 Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 7/20/09 3:25pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Nice connection of the dots, I'll give you that... still, I'd prefer the other option. I haven't got any ideas about "alternative contacts", though; Zayne's adress book was very short to begin with... -----signature----- Jacen had learned that one can meet the Universe [...] with fear, or with hatred, or with despair. Or one can choose to meet it with love. Jacen had chosen. But still, he was astonished to discover that the Universe could love him back.
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 7/20/09 3:28pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Yeah... I'm all out of ideas other than the Council, Revanchists and Lucien. And we know now that it sure isn't the Revanchists. His father's money laundering is perhaps one option, but there'd be no reason not to let Gryph in on that. The guys back on Taris? Maybe... but, again, what's the big secret if he's working with the Hidden Beks? Maybe he's secretly become a Mandalorian.
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Grey1 Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 7/20/09 3:33pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Well, he's already got the armour, so... -----signature----- Jacen had learned that one can meet the Universe [...] with fear, or with hatred, or with despair. Or one can choose to meet it with love. Jacen had chosen. But still, he was astonished to discover that the Universe could love him back.
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FireJade Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 7/20/09 3:34pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	^^ This. Do Gryph/Jarael know that Lucien survived? Because Zayne wanted to keep the "missing time" a secret from them, too. -----signature----- Luke: Still, I think I make a pretty good Luke Skywalker. Mara: Of course you do. Luke: So before you began impersonating Mara, what was your real hair color? Mara: Farmboy, you're asking for a beating... --- LotF: Betrayal by Aaron Allston (2006), p. 228
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 7/20/09 3:36pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Heck, I've always liked the idea of Zayne and Jarael, although that was partially because Shel was such a minor character who showed up briefly in Commencement a few times, then didn't show up again until Knights of Suffering. And Zayne seems to have really grown up since he was the bumbling Padawan he was back on Taris, so not sure if he and Shel would still get along. We haven't seen them spend much time together, since after Shel realized Zayne didn't kill her brother, she was mostly off on missions to help Zayne clear his name. And I personally hope Zayne's sources have nothing to do with Lucien. Lucien has changed, so I prefer he just sit out the rest of the series, or if not that, Zayne only runs into him after a long time. Hm, I think there are Zayne and Jarael sparks, at least on Jarael's side. She showed interest in Zayne, especially during the Dueling Ambitions arc, but Zayne was a bit distracted by all the swoops. Zayne hasn't quite reciprocated, but Zayne's kind of dense that way. And I think both are old enough not to just start blushing a lot. Anyway, Jarael's kind of slowed down by her Crucible baggage. She told Zayne about her past, but it seems like she's still holding some things back. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 7/20/09 5:03pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Grey1 posted: I think everyone here should think about all professional relationships he or she had with a person from the other gender. Now imagine something like that would always turn out as a romantic relationship whatever. Jarael and Zayne's relationship isn't strictly professional, though. They're also, undoubtedly, friends. Grey1 posted: Besides, #42 really shot down the romance possibility for me; neither Jarael nor Zayne seemed "hormonally charged" after the kiss. There was no question whatsoever whether any of them really felt like what they did. And in JJM's world of con people who are not what they seem, it's only natural that the two leads would be able to fake a kiss that does not only fool Malak and Gryph, but also part of the audience. I just wonder if they spoke to Gryph afterwards... Well, I don't think Zayne is interested in Jarael at this point. I think she might have a bit of a thing for him, though. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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JohnJacksonMiller Title: Writer: -Empire -KOTOR -Precipice Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/20/09 5:38pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Shel was more prominent in the early drafts of "Vector," where we got more of a postscript to the events of "Knights of Suffering" -- but because it was a postscript, it didn't really belong. That's not Vector's problem so much as where the previous story left off. If there were ever Special Edition DVD versions of comics, "Days/Knights" would probably have more than its share of "restored and deleted scenes" -- there were a lot of plates spinning that year, and even with the Handbook and the text pages, there was a lot of ground to cover. But while Shel may have suffered from a bit of Darklighter Syndrome in the past, stay tuned. There's always the possibility for a remarkable recovery... -----signature----- Best, John Jackson Miller Fiction: http://www.farawaypress.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jjmfaraway Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/johnjacksonmiller Research: http://www.comicschronicles.com Webcomic: http://www.swordandsarcasm.com
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MercenaryAce Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 7/21/09 8:07am Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Zorrixor posted: Yeah... I'm all out of ideas other than the Council, Revanchists and Lucien. And we know now that it sure isn't the Revanchists. His father's money laundering is perhaps one option, but there'd be no reason not to let Gryph in on that. The guys back on Taris? Maybe... but, again, what's the big secret if he's working with the Hidden Beks? Maybe he's secretly become a Mandalorian. Fett does owe him one....but considering how Fett solves all his problems... Anyway, my idea is kind of a longshot, since it hasn't really been foreshadowed or anything, but....what about Zayne's sisters? They are older than him right....and just because their parents are a banker and a gardener, that doesn't mean one of his sisters isn't a captain in the Judicial Forces or something... -----signature----- "I am no man...I am a space station!" Another star wars ships, droids and troops site: http://armiesofstarwars.com/ It does have info found nowhere Move all sig, for great justice
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Dark_Guardian Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 7/21/09 2:21pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	JJM mentioned on his site that the Gladiator had been seen before. I already posted it over in the Fleet Junkie thread, but I might show it here as well: The Sith War #1 KOTOR #43 They look pretty similar, so what do you think? -----signature----- Fleet Junkie of Koornacht Recipient of a -Award Servants of the Empire: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1169748/ My Art: http://boards.theforce.net/Fan_Art/b10020/17906925/?0
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 7/21/09 2:31pm Subject: Knights of the Old Republic #43: The Reaping, Part 1 (of 2)
	Looks spot on. Which battle was that in the Sith War comics? Were they Mandalorian/Sith/Republic ships?
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