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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 7/8 1:26am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5) - Date Edited: 7/8 1:27am (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
	The triumph of the underdog has always been what Star Wars is about. The lowly farmboy defeating the evil empire. The tiny midget besting the all seeing eye... wait, that'S LOTR. But you get my point. She just got lucky and the Vong was grossly overconfident. "Aww, look at the lil' girly. How cute. Trying to stab me. Do it again! Do it again! Hahahaha....haaaaaaa. Oww. Kark." I thought it was a nice way of contrasting the Vong as utterly unstoppable like everything else in the issue did, with the overconfidence that we know will ultimately become their downfall. They think this is the prophesied holy land granted to them by the grace of the gods... one little girl quickly sent that numbskull Vong a lesson. It also was a rather sick portrayal of "Oww yes pain! Lovely pain! Again! AGAIN!" These guys could well be from Domain Shai, after all... all of whom were known for being screwed up.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 7/8 10:39am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	Zorrixor posted: The triumph of the underdog has always been what Star Wars is about. The lowly farmboy defeating the evil empire. The tiny midget besting the all seeing eye... wait, that'S LOTR. But you get my point. She just got lucky and the Vong was grossly overconfident. "Aww, look at the lil' girly. How cute. Trying to stab me. Do it again! Do it again! Hahahaha....haaaaaaa. Oww. Kark." I thought it was a nice way of contrasting the Vong as utterly unstoppable like everything else in the issue did, with the overconfidence that we know will ultimately become their downfall. They think this is the prophesied holy land granted to them by the grace of the gods... one little girl quickly sent that numbskull Vong a lesson. It also was a rather sick portrayal of "Oww yes pain! Lovely pain! Again! AGAIN!" These guys could well be from Domain Shai, after all... all of whom were known for being screwed up. -----signature----- Excellence: "You are the forum's Quick Ben." SW EU fans: John Ostrander needs your help! http://www.comix4sight.com
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Jedi Trace Title: • SouthEast RSA • FanFiction Manager Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 7/8 3:21pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	Finally got to read this and, first and foremost, WOW to the art! Wilson’s style fits this era/story perfectly. That reveal panel with the Vong warrior and Kaye, especially - stunning. I’m liking the Galfridian family and the humanity and even humor portrayed in this issue. As to the Vong going down too easily to Kaye – I didn’t really see it that way. I might be completely alone on this, but the Vong in the novels were TOO invincible at first, IMHO. The fact that nobody could kill them was a little over the top – again – IMHO. LOVED Luke’s introductory panels – a lone Jedi master surrounded by enemy bodies. Very, very cool. Not a whole lot happened, but it’s a set-up issue and a good one at that. I’m looking forward to what happens next. -----signature----- "Luke Skywalker kicks ass. Next question." - Tom Taylor "Sometimes bad guys are the only good guys you get." - Leverage
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Carnage04 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 7/8 11:23pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	Excellence posted: Most people on the forum seem to dislike something if they didn't see what they hoped to see, I tend to notice. What a load of garbage. I saw a post by Excellence and expected some witty commentary on the book being discussed but NOOOOOO, I get some commentary about the psychology of the people in this forum. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. -----signature----- Carnage I Finally decided to use a signature after 3500 posts! 3500 posts * 7 Characters = 24500 keystrokes wasted
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johnthejedi24 Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 7/9 3:21pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5) - Date Edited: 7/9 5:17pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
	I just finished it and I found it kind of well....weak. Sure the Yuuzhan Vong are cool and all, but it could have used a bit better dialogue and Skywalker could have been a bit less pantsed. Skywalker should not have arrived for a good number of issues. I did like the use of some slugthrower weapons in the issue. I did like the scene with the Girl with the knife verses the Vong warrior. That was bad ass. -----signature----- All hail the Imperial Remnant.
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Grey1 Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 7/9 6:05pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	Finally got my copy. I realized that this is the first US series that I bought #1 of... With both KOTOR and Legacy I started with the zero issue, but only got into the comic around the time the paperbacks came out... I think one can not stress enough that this is a different take on starting a series than most of the stuff we've seen over the past years. Comparing this to Legacy's and KOTOR's start, I could easily see this issue made into the first six-part arc, with the market assault only happening at the end of issue number one and the refugees finally getting away in number six. The issue we got doesn't know the meaning of the word "slow". But I don't think that this is a bad thing... ...since this series doesn't come out that often. Seeing how it takes about ten months to get to the second arc, having a first arc only putting the pieces on the playing field might have been too little. It's also funny to notice that this comic dealt with all of the backstory that we knew about beforehand, so from now on, the only thing that got spoiled is that the kid will train as a Jedi and that characters like Jacen and Jaina will appear. I'm curious how this will continue, and I'm confident that Tailor can pull off a really good structure for the entire arc. And the art is nice, too, what else can you want from a comic book? -----signature----- Jacen had learned that one can meet the Universe [...] with fear, or with hatred, or with despair. Or one can choose to meet it with love. Jacen had chosen. But still, he was astonished to discover that the Universe could love him back.
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 7/10 11:18am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	I've officially decided: I'm tradewaiting on this. (And probably on all post-Tatooine arcs of Legacy, for that matter.) This looks cool, but I think I'll enjoy it more in the TPB format than in the monthly... -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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sidious618 Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 7/11 5:41pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	It was intriguing but way too fast paced. -----signature----- But in purple, I'm stunning!- Londo Mollari, Babylon 5
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/11 6:27pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	Threepio's polished pelvis plate, Carnage, I am capable of normal speech you know. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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CooperTFN Title: TF.n EU Staff Emeritus Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 7/11 10:29pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	Tom-- cough Mr. Taylor was kind enough to take a few more questions. Doubtless the preoccupations of our little community here are starting to come into stark focus. I'll start with a pretty general comics question - how does the process of generating the covers go, from your end? Since Jo Chen, I'm assuming, isn't in the loop on story development to the extent that Colin Wilson is, do you (or does Randy) pass along specific ideas, or does she see scripts and pick something herself? This is Randy's call. He'll tell us what he's planning but it's all him. I think he's done a great job so far. I'd guess he shows Jo some of the script and Colin's visuals but I don't think he's too specific, so Jo has quite a bit of artistic license. One of the great parts of my job is seeing these (and setting them as my desktop wallpaper) before anyone else. The cover to issue 5 is my wallpaper right now; it's awesome. While reviews of the first issue have been largely great, the revelation that the Galfridians are Artorias' royal family has provoked a bit of debate. What led you to go in that direction, and what do you see as the perks of dealing with royalty as opposed to the proles? First up, they're not your average royal family. They're not pomp and ceremony. When Caled says "THEY may need them." He's saying that the people may need to see a crown, that, in times like these, people need leadership. One of the reasons I wanted them to be royalty is so they could have more of an ownership of Artorias, more of a reason to fight for their home and, maybe one day... if any of them survive, come back for it. On a scale of Gwen Stacy to Jean Grey, how not-dead-yet can we assume King Caled to be? Are we talking Spiderman or Ultimate Spiderman? You can get all of your spoilers one issue at a time by reading the issues. A lot of us obscure continuity guys were thrilled to see the C-3 passenger liners from the X-wing games appear at the end of the issue - how exactly does something that specific that come about? Your call, or someone else's? That one was my call. I literally went sifting through space ships to find something that could carry a whole lot of people. They did the job well. And yes, I have played some of the games; as will be confirmed in the next issue. There are some other ships coming up soon that were Leland Chee's suggestion though. That guy knows everything. One day I'm going to email him and ask him where my keys are... and he'll tell me. One more continuity question - how precisely are you plotting the timeline in relation to the novels? I've been impressed by how much you're willing to allow in the dialogue that people are at least somewhat aware of the Vong already, but just how far into the invasion we are at the moment has been tough to gauge. All we can say is this is very early on. It's a really fine line to walk. If we get too specific, then continuity trips us up to the point where we can't use any of the established characters. We don't want to nail ourselves into a place where "Luke can't be there. He's on Belkadan!" While, if we're too vague, then it's not true to the great work that has come before. We are probably going to have small continuity problems at times. They're inevitable. People make mistakes. But our aim is to tell the best Star Wars stories we can and satisfy all readers, new and knowledgeable alike. While you admittedly didn't have a lot of time for subtlety in this issue, I think that the "reality" of Luke Skywalker came across very effectively in his brief screen time. Can you talk a little about your take on who he is at this point in time? Is he the wizened old Master yet? Has being married changed him? Luke Skywalker kicks ass. Next question. One last thing, because the forums'd kill me if I didn't ask - what species is sassy blue miniskirt girl - sorry, Panha - intended to be? Chiss? Ferroan? Pantoran? There's a lot of blue people, is what I'm saying. I've seen the boards. We read the boards. Every bad word is like a slap in the face. We read what you write, people. Actually, we tend to gloss over the nice things you say and focus on the negative. Then we drape ourselves in black, lock ourselves in cupboards and listen to My Chemical Romance. If you don't want emo creators, be nice on the boards. 'Sassy blue miniskirt girl' is fine. And you were all right. She is/was a Chiss. -----signature----- Mike Cooper's Star Wars Blog http://blogs.starwars.com/coopertfn "Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!" "NAKED TWI'LEK WITH LIGHTSABER = MONEY" - Ris_jSarek "I bid you all Dark Greetings!"
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kecen Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 7/11 10:40pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	My Chemical Romance, loi. "Helena" is a pretty good song for Qymaen jai Sheelal's funeral. Long story. I pray the creators have been browsing the Yuuzhan Vong fanthread for my half-cuckoo letter. I love the art anyways (but the cover to issue #3 is disturbing in a bad way because the warrior has too much muscle mass). I envy Mr. Taylor for being able to see the cover art to issue 5. To add something positive, I did like the art. Er, read my post in the Yuuzhan'tar thread for details (or wait until my letter to the editor gets published). -----signature----- "Thank you for the warning, but I still see the sun," "A little Vongforming never hurt no one!" Member of the General Grievous fanclub Member of the George R. Binks fanclub, whoo! Supporting Hutt Marriage since October '06
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CooperTFN Title: TF.n EU Staff Emeritus Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 7/13 4:04pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	Up, damn it. -----signature----- Mike Cooper's Star Wars Blog http://blogs.starwars.com/coopertfn "Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!" "NAKED TWI'LEK WITH LIGHTSABER = MONEY" - Ris_jSarek "I bid you all Dark Greetings!"
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Jedi Trace Title: • SouthEast RSA • FanFiction Manager Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 7/13 4:19pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	"Luke Skywalker kicks ass. Next question." Best interview answer ever! -----signature----- "Luke Skywalker kicks ass. Next question." - Tom Taylor "Sometimes bad guys are the only good guys you get." - Leverage
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Thrawn McEwok Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 7/13 5:02pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5) - Date Edited: 7/13 5:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Thrawn McEwok
	CooperTFN posted: Up, damn it. Yeah. My thoughts on the interview: A. The Galfridians' royal status: this fitted right in with the resonance of the names Tom (I assume) chose, and I loved the subtle way that it was hinted in the "THEY may need them" scene. I'm impressed by the narrative logic Tom revealed here, the investment it gives the characters in the situation - a sense of responsibility that's thoroughly real without being naive or cold, as one would get with simpler forms of patriotism or duty. And hey, this is Star Wars. Stuff like this is part of what makes it fun!! The juxtaposition of "royalty" and "Hoth Rebel trooper" in Caled's character is also very expressive as a shorthand characterization, making him FAR stronger and more three-dimensional in a couple of lines than either point alone would do. B. Continuity problems - never easy, especially with fans like us (picky, and often wrong, to boot! ). I thorughly sympathise with Tom's comments, in my fannish, watching-from-the-boundary way - and I should get on with the next part of my insanely detailed NJO timeline (latest observation: now Tahiri's sixteen in Allston's duology? Back to a long-chronology Star by Star!! ), but I keep making extensive tech/visual notes (latest observation: Anakin Solo's leather jacket has the same shoulder/arm detail as the one Luke wears when he gets his medal after Yavin; that's someting that the Japanese cover artist seems to have thought up himself as thematically appropriate, and continued from one cover to another... impressive! ). And no, it's not that I'm overobsessed. My brain does this on EVERYTHING. C. Pahna = Chiss. This should lead to "is there subtext there about those devious dudes in the Unknown Regions?!" speculation. Even if/though none was intended. *** My thoughts on #1: solid story, deep characterization roots already; and lucious visuals, with eyewatering details. Things I loved: the detail lavished on Artorias in a single issue; the diversity of the inhabitants, with at least two ethnicities, plus some aliens; the architecture, rising from a ground-level classicism to the modernism of the communications towers, with all the history and development encoded in that unexpectedly harmonious combination; and the alienness of the creature that got squelched on page two - this is, or was once, a colony world, tamed by these people. The glimpse of an exploding bug close-to-frame when the YV attack begins. Just a hint, knowing for the fan or the re-reader, of what's attacking. The panel with Kaye and the group of Yuuzhan Vong: it took me several re-reads to notice the background - a line of captured prisoners being led to a tube on the beach; and then I saw that the tube led up to a Yuuzhan Vong ship hanging low over the tideline. The reveal, within one panel, really worked awesomely here for me. The extensive echoes of The Phantom Menace, in the opening. I'm stunned this hasn't been picked up on more, because it's in everything, from the slow, inexorable advance of the invasion, through the architecture of the capital, and the "royal" POV on the invasion, to the appearance of a Jedi hero to rescue everyone via the hangar. And yet, this emphatically isn't a self-consciously "safe" kids' movie. The Yuuzhan Vong are sneaky and dangerous in a way that Nute Gunray just isn't. This is so much meaning imbued into this story, all without saying a word, or making a statement: but the meaning is clear - it's Star Wars, and it's dangerous again. Seen in that coontext, "Skywalker!" and the understated appearance X-wings on the final page... need I say more about where this twenty-four page comic has taken us? This is ***ing awesome, but it's a species of awesome that's also deep, sneaking up slowly and revealing itself in salivating detail as you chew it over. I also particularly liked the classier selection of adverts in this issue, compared with a lot of the Star Wars* comics. Ugly ads actually make me bin issues. - The Imperial Ewok -----signature----- A/T = OTP :===8[#]8===: Kyp/Jaina fans: stand up and be counted!
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PointGiven Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 7/13 6:06pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
	CooperTFN posted: There are some other ships coming up soon that were Leland Chee's suggestion though. That guy knows everything. One day I'm going to email him and ask him where my keys are... and he'll tell me. The keys are on Dagobah, where Yoda has never been before. Mr. Taylor seems like a great guy, and I like his candid answers (especially the Luke Skywalker kicks ass one.) -----signature----- Think you can name the most important Sith Lords? Test your knowledge: http://www.sporcle.com/games/Caedus/sith_lords Also test your SW military knowledge with the Wars of Star Wars: http://www.sporcle.com/games/Caedus/wars_starwars
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