Author Topic: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
Ulicus  7359 posts
Registered: Jul '05
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Date Posted: 7/13 6:09pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
PointGiven posted:
CooperTFN posted:
There are some other ships coming up soon that were Leland Chee's suggestion though. That guy knows everything. One day I'm going to email him and ask him where my keys are... and he'll tell me.


The keys are on Dagobah, where Yoda has never been before.

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PointGiven posted:

Mr. Taylor seems like a great guy, and I like his candid answers (especially the Luke Skywalker kicks ass one.)

I agree in full. Funny, to boot.

 

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kecen  1355 posts
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Date Posted: 7/13 6:18pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
Thrawn McEwok posted:


I also particularly liked the classier selection of adverts in this issue, compared with a lot of the Star Wars comics. Ugly ads actually make me bin issues. tongue

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Grey1  1723 posts
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Date Posted: 7/14 2:39am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
Thrawn McEwok posted:
A. The Galfridians' royal status: this fitted right in with the resonance of the names Tom (I assume) chose, and I loved the subtle way that it was hinted in the "THEY may need them" scene. I'm impressed by the narrative logic Tom revealed here, the investment it gives the characters in the situation - a sense of responsibility that's thoroughly real without being naive or cold, as one would get with simpler forms of patriotism or duty. And hey, this is Star Wars. Stuff like this is part of what makes it fun!! grin

The juxtaposition of "royalty" and "Hoth Rebel trooper" in Caled's character is also very expressive as a shorthand characterization, making him FAR stronger and more three-dimensional in a couple of lines than either point alone would do. grin
I totally agree. We already had Queen Amidala and Princess Leia, so I don't see how royalty in a SW story takes away from anything. Also, the core idea behind Luke's (movie) story is not that he's the normal kid in outrageous adventures, but that he's a kid who thought he was normal until destiny showed up at his doorstep. He's as much a Chosen One as the explicitly stated Anakin, and with being chosen, a character isn't just "one of us" anymore.

A story about totally "normal" characters in a refugee situation would, of course, not have been any worse, it would just have been another story. And as an added bonus, the first time it came up, I immediately though "Jedi Prince" grin

Thrawn McEwok posted:
C. Pahna = Chiss. grin grin grin This should lead to "is there subtext there about those devious dudes in the Unknown Regions?!" speculation. Even if/though none was intended. tongue
Well, I don't really get the Chiss-in-Invasion's-prologue-anxiety, to be honest. It might have been a "continuity mistake", and it most probably won't be explained in-story as the character herself most probably won't reappear. But just like The Clone Wars showed us a pudgy, scheming Trandoshan, why not have a loner Chiss who's doing stuff totally outside of her home space? The way things get retconned, she might have been Thrawn's niece who was also exiled because of her uncle's actions. thinking tongue

And it's far better than the Chiss bartender in Jedi Outcast. Is he still a Chiss, or has that been retconned...?

Thrawn McEwok posted:
The extensive echoes of The Phantom Menace, in the opening. I'm stunned this hasn't been picked up on more, because it's in everything, from the slow, inexorable advance of the invasion, through the architecture of the capital, and the "royal" POV on the invasion, to the appearance of a Jedi hero to rescue everyone via the hangar. And yet, this emphatically isn't a self-consciously "safe" kids' movie. The Yuuzhan Vong are sneaky and dangerous in a way that Nute Gunray just isn't. tongue This is so much meaning imbued into this story, all without saying a word, or making a statement: but the meaning is clear - it's Star Wars, and it's dangerous again. grin grin
You're right, I got that vibe to a degree, but I can't say that it was really obvious to me. The Jedi/hangar bit is really a great detail, I agree with that. Thinking about it, I guess the Droid Invasion music might also make for a good "soundtrack" to this issue. [While reading, I listened to the soundtrack of 28 Days Later, which also worked quite well in that regard, by the way].

And I'd like to add that while Episode 1 is very kid-friendly that the beginning of the movie with the whole invasion thing is quite intense (as in "excellently made"). Even if the Neimoidians come across as a bit goofy, they also come across as quite alien (especially with the Flash Gordon viewscreen), and they have The Emperor behind them, who's quick to order murder and invasion. OK, there's nobody wanting to get stabbed all the time, but that's the Vong for you...

 

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darthadimentsu  145 posts
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Date Posted: 7/14 3:38am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
Grey1 posted:
[While reading, I listened to the soundtrack of 28 Days Later, which also worked quite well in that regard, by the way].

You can never beat Godspeed You! Black Emperor, the Kyle Katarn of music...

More to the point, this was fantastic, quickly jumping from domesticity to Vong, with Luke turning up (roughly between Helska 4 and the Jedi Missions of Onslaught?) in an appropriate way, waiting for some more of the Pendragon imagery to come out as well as the tie-ins with the other key events of the period. What will Finn's sword in the stone will be I wonder?

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 7/14 11:34am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5) - Date Edited: 7/14 12:18pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
Heh. Luke gets to be the Merlin at long last, years before the 'present day' in the novels. tongue

(Wait, and Finn's got a sibling called KAYE!? How did I not see this before?)

 

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The_Loyal_Imperial  8826 posts
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Date Posted: 7/14 5:50pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
Overall, liked the issue. Not all that fond of any of the characters seen so far, but I'll wait and see who else turns up later on. As an introduction: very good. Did a nice job of introducing the characters and setting up the past, present, and immediate future. Vong look a little off from how I imagined them, but that might just be me. Solid issue.

 

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kataja  423 posts
Registered: May '07
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Date Posted: 7/15 9:54am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)

Jedi Trace posted:
"Luke Skywalker kicks ass. Next question."

Best interview answer ever!


I just pop in here to second that! tongue

 

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SithStarSlayer  8653 posts
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Date Posted: 7/15 2:01pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
Good Call, Thrawn McEwok...
This issue mirrors TPM in such a cool way... I'm glad you spelled it out ahead of me because I would have lamed it up, BIGtime. The triple stab was funny in a twisted way, and Luke's intro was Uber-bombad. Nice to see Vader's son being portrayed in the right light. Luke did to those YV, as Maul did to Black Sun. Loved it.

 

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Robimus  3706 posts
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Date Posted: 7/15 10:43pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
Mr. Taylor(via Cooper) posted:I've seen the boards. We read the boards. Every bad word is like a slap in the face. We read what you write, people. Actually, we tend to gloss over the nice things you say and focus on the negative.

As one of maybe two posters in this thread who has been openly critical of what appeared in Invasion #1 I'm not really sure what to make of this comment.

Certainly my intention is not to "slap" the creative team in the "face". I didn't enjoy the comic, most posters did, but I didn't. I stated what I had issues with and what I would have liked to seen done differently.

As a fan of the Yuuzhan Vong I didn't enjoy what was presented. Thats not to say that I will not like what comes in the future, but this was not to my tastes. That said I think there is a big difference between honest criticism and open bashing. I would hope my views would be taken as criticism, as I don't like to bash anything and do not feel I did that here.

That said this is an internet forum meant to allow people to discuss likes and dislikes in a polite manner amongst E-friends tongue . Frankly I'm spending $$$$ on these products and would hate to think that the creative team is only looking for applause instead of honest feedback.

Look, I work with the public and deal with complaints all the time. While I'm sure what I do is not identicle to the comic industry some of the same principles must apply. Complaints and criticism are not meant to be taken personally, but are hopefully considered in some fashion. At that point a decision is made.

Perhaps the criticism has some basis and changes could be considered. Or perhaps the criticism is not valid to what your trying to accomplish and needs to be put aside to continue to get the results one's self, or one's company, wants.

And yes sometimes criticism unfortunatly becomes bashing, at which point it should be completely ignored as hard as that may be.

I think its great that the writers and artists check out the fan forums, its something that makes TFN special really. But I also don't want to be frightened to say "I didn't like this and here's why" because it might hurt feelings. I'm sorry if that happens, or if that happened in this case(if the interview is even referencing TFN or the negative posts in this thread). peace

 

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Drewton  316 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 9:31am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
Robimus posted:
That said I think there is a big difference between honest criticism and open bashing. I would hope my views would be taken as criticism, as I don't like to bash anything and do not feel I did that here.

That said this is an internet forum meant to allow people to discuss likes and dislikes in a polite manner amongst E-friends tongue . Frankly I'm spending $$$$ on these products and would hate to think that the creative team is only looking for applause instead of honest feedback.


I agree with you completely. It didn't sound too professional and I was really surprised by it. I liked the issue for a pilate, wasn't the best, but I'll still be buying the next issue. I've been working hard on a photonovel for three years and I honestly prefer criticism over praise because it helps me improve my work.

 

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CooperTFN  4589 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 9:40am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
I don't think he was really equating anything said in here with bashing or unfair criticism - just pointing out that it's still tough to hear, which any creator would agree to.

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 9:55am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5) - Date Edited: 7/16 10:04am (1 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
Wow.

Am I the only person who read that particular comment, you know, as a freakin' joke. It had me giggling like a schoolgirl.

P.S.
For future reference, guys, "Then we drape ourselves in black, lock ourselves in cupboards and listen to My Chemical Romance" was probably a hint that Mr Taylor's tongue was firmly in cheek.

Americans. tongue

 

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FireJade  1677 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 11:31am Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
You aren't. tongue

 

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SithStarSlayer  8653 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 12:11pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
Firestarters...

 

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Date Posted: 7/16 2:52pm Subject: Invasion #1: Refugees, part 1 (of 5)
kecen posted:
Thrawn McEwok posted:


I also particularly liked the classier selection of adverts in this issue, compared with a lot of the Star Wars comics. Ugly ads actually make me bin issues. tongue

- The Imperial Ewok


The Predator cover = CLASS. Whoever is making the art on that series is doing a great job.


Sadly, the art inside isn't as good.

As for Invasion #1, it's interesting, if a bit fast paced. NJO is my favourite SW era, so I'll probably be getting the trades of Invasion.

 

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