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FireJade  1677 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28 10:14pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Is there a separation between Aing-Tii battle sight (Betrayal) and flow-walking?

 

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Thinine 
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Date Posted: 6/28 10:41pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Battle-sight just seems like a limited application of flow-walking, like a more precise version of the prescience Jedi already have. Which kind of explains Jaina's success against Cadeus' use of it: she was moving too fast for it to give him an advantage. Seems like it would require a slower moving enemy, so the vision of the future could be more useful for the user in planning his next move.

Of course, battle-sight was never mentioned in Omen, so it's hard to say.

 

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Date Posted: 6/28 11:11pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 6/28 11:12pm (1 edits total) Edited By: GoA
Thinine posted:
Frankly, I thought it was yet another convenient media success contrived to move the story along.


Or yet another example of incidents in Omen where we're told the end result of something, rather than actually shown how it happens.

That really is my biggest complaint with this book. Too much stuff was glossed over and summarized after the fact, rather than actually explained or shown to the reader in detail. Which by extension, resulted in such a short, short novel.

 

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Date Posted: 6/29 2:45am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Havac posted:
Also, THE DESTRUCTORS. As far as I'm concerned, an obvious reference to the advanced-civilization-eaters of Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu. The references to ancient history pile up with each book. I'm really intrigued. I think they're going somewhere here.

EDIT: I'll expand on where I think they're going with this, since I just had it click and told RF. As I said with Outcast, I'm convinced that the Kessel plotline and it's tie-in with Centerpoint revolved around the use of the Maw as a Celestial-designed containment system for the Maw threat. Omen has me thinking that it might be containing the Destructors -- probably the same as the Mind Drinkers -- after their defeat at the hands of the Celestials. If so -- and I think that's the way the dots best connect -- I'm super-excited, since that's a fascinating angle to take and a great way to explore ancient history without a silly fanboy "Star Wars: Thousands Of Years Before Anything Recognizable" series.


This is the kinda thing Zor, Uli and I would have a field day over. tongue

But here's the really interesting fact;

The Tribe are called the 'Protectors' by the Keshri.

The Jedi are called the 'Protectors' by the Killiks.

The species periodically devastates the galaxy to return worlds to their natural state; links to the Sharu, as Hav notes.

The Prophet of the Aing-Ti suggested that those 'Beyond the Veil' are to return shortly.

Centerpoint has been destroyed very recently; Celestial tech seems to be breaking down if Kessel is any indication.

Are the Celestials enemies returning? Or the Celestials themselves?

Has Del Rey actually decided to do something original? Is this the new Yuuzhan Vong Invasion?

Is the Force Craziness, Darth Caedus and everything else simply the opening stages of their assault?

I'm... intrigued. I suspect Fate of the Jedi is setup for these new arrivals.

grin

 

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Date Posted: 6/29 2:59am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I know, Havac. And how many times have I said it'd be great to have "nice" Sith? Eh? Have we finally gotten them? Ahh.

 

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Hendo255  290 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 7:28am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Sinrebirth posted:
Havac posted:
Also, THE DESTRUCTORS. As far as I'm concerned, an obvious reference to the advanced-civilization-eaters of Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu. The references to ancient history pile up with each book. I'm really intrigued. I think they're going somewhere here.

EDIT: I'll expand on where I think they're going with this, since I just had it click and told RF. As I said with Outcast, I'm convinced that the Kessel plotline and it's tie-in with Centerpoint revolved around the use of the Maw as a Celestial-designed containment system for the Maw threat. Omen has me thinking that it might be containing the Destructors -- probably the same as the Mind Drinkers -- after their defeat at the hands of the Celestials. If so -- and I think that's the way the dots best connect -- I'm super-excited, since that's a fascinating angle to take and a great way to explore ancient history without a silly fanboy "Star Wars: Thousands Of Years Before Anything Recognizable" series.


This is the kinda thing Zor, Uli and I would have a field day over. tongue

But here's the really interesting fact;

The Tribe are called the 'Protectors' by the Keshri.

The Jedi are called the 'Protectors' by the Killiks.

The species periodically devastates the galaxy to return worlds to their natural state; links to the Sharu, as Hav notes.

The Prophet of the Aing-Ti suggested that those 'Beyond the Veil' are to return shortly.

Centerpoint has been destroyed very recently; Celestial tech seems to be breaking down if Kessel is any indication.

Are the Celestials enemies returning? Or the Celestials themselves?

Has Del Rey actually decided to do something original? Is this the new Yuuzhan Vong Invasion?

Is the Force Craziness, Darth Caedus and everything else simply the opening stages of their assault?

I'm... intrigued. I suspect Fate of the Jedi is setup for these new arrivals.

grin


ohhh I'd like that a lot grin more so on the side of the Celestials enemies returning. I want to learn much more about the Celestials but at the same time I don't because I want them to remain mysterious lol But if their enemies returned, then we'd learn so much more about them without learning "too much"


"Did I miss it, or did Omen never mention how it was that Javis Tyrr was able to get video of Seff Hellin's cage of an apartment? "

I don't think he's anything special...just a good/smart journalist. But I was seriously annoyed that we didn't get an explanation for how he got the footage. But maybe that was done for a bigger reveal later. I mean really... only what, 9 people? Half of which Jedi, and all very trustworthy knew that he was being kept there? Also the timing with which he released the video was a little too convenient... I don't think he would have sat on that video for a second and waited to release it.

 

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Ackbar_Van_Gungan  1297 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 9:36am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 6/29 9:43am (1 edits total) Edited By: Ackbar_Van_Gungan
I don't think. I remember thinking that at the time and wondering. I'm guessing that he planted a bugbot somewhere.

However, this still doesn't make a lot of sense because Seff's apartment prison is underneath the Jedi Temple along with Raynar and now Natua. It's a Jedi dungeon so to speak. I feel like there might be some security between Jedi prisoners and the outside world. And if there isn't; there should be.

Either that or he's an animagus like Rita Skeeter. Maybe he is Wynn Dorvan's chitlik! grin

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Ackbar_Van_Gungan  1297 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 9:41am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Sinrebirth posted:
Havac posted:
Also, THE DESTRUCTORS. As far as I'm concerned, an obvious reference to the advanced-civilization-eaters of Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu. The references to ancient history pile up with each book. I'm really intrigued. I think they're going somewhere here.

EDIT: I'll expand on where I think they're going with this, since I just had it click and told RF. As I said with Outcast, I'm convinced that the Kessel plotline and it's tie-in with Centerpoint revolved around the use of the Maw as a Celestial-designed containment system for the Maw threat. Omen has me thinking that it might be containing the Destructors -- probably the same as the Mind Drinkers -- after their defeat at the hands of the Celestials. If so -- and I think that's the way the dots best connect -- I'm super-excited, since that's a fascinating angle to take and a great way to explore ancient history without a silly fanboy "Star Wars: Thousands Of Years Before Anything Recognizable" series.


This is the kinda thing Zor, Uli and I would have a field day over. tongue

But here's the really interesting fact;

The Tribe are called the 'Protectors' by the Keshri.

The Jedi are called the 'Protectors' by the Killiks.

The species periodically devastates the galaxy to return worlds to their natural state; links to the Sharu, as Hav notes.

The Prophet of the Aing-Ti suggested that those 'Beyond the Veil' are to return shortly.

Centerpoint has been destroyed very recently; Celestial tech seems to be breaking down if Kessel is any indication.

Are the Celestials enemies returning? Or the Celestials themselves?

Has Del Rey actually decided to do something original? Is this the new Yuuzhan Vong Invasion?

Is the Force Craziness, Darth Caedus and everything else simply the opening stages of their assault?

I'm... intrigued. I suspect Fate of the Jedi is setup for these new arrivals.

grin


It would be interesting but from an in-universe perspective it would be strange that Legacy would have no references to these potential events. It's more likely that Luke (or someone) finds them.

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Date Posted: 6/29 10:33am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted:


It would be interesting but from an in-universe perspective it would be strange that Legacy would have no references to these potential events. It's more likely that Luke (or someone) finds them.

-The Rebel Gungan

Yet another reason why I hate the fact that Legact is only set 100 years in the future. It restricts what can and can't happen and I have a feeling that DR anf DH have realized this and are feeling the pinch in spite of what they claim. Legacy should have been 200years in the future minimum but ideally 300.

also (from the Abyss preview chapter): in reference to Raynar, I'm glad that he's finally completly better and going back upstairs to live in the actual temple grin I felt bad for him

 

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Date Posted: 6/29 10:58am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Hendo255 posted:
Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted:


It would be interesting but from an in-universe perspective it would be strange that Legacy would have no references to these potential events. It's more likely that Luke (or someone) finds them.

-The Rebel Gungan

Yet another reason why I hate the fact that Legact is only set 100 years in the future. It restricts what can and can't happen and I have a feeling that DR anf DH have realized this and are feeling the pinch in spite of what they claim. Legacy should have been 200years in the future minimum but ideally 300.

also (from the Abyss preview chapter): in reference to Raynar, I'm glad that he's finally completly better and going back upstairs to live in the actual temple grin I felt bad for him


The first thing I thought when I read the Abyss preview was No good can from this

 

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Date Posted: 6/29 11:37am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted:

It would be interesting but from an in-universe perspective it would be strange that Legacy would have no references to these potential events. It's more likely that Luke (or someone) finds them.

-The Rebel Gungan


That was my biggest worry when Legacy was released --- that there was no more room for more devastating wars to engulf the galaxy after the Vong Invasion. So, back in 2006...


Jeff Ferguson posted:
The public opinion of the galaxy in Legacy is influenced quite a bit by the Vong war. When you were developing this plotline, did you consider that in the 100 years between the NJO and Legacy, there's quite a bit of room for an even more devastating war to engulf the galaxy? After all, what would the stars be without the wars?




JohnOstrander posted:
To answer your first question -- yes, there's always that possibility. It depends on what DR wants to do after LotF. We won't refer to events in that time period unless a) it's okay with DR and LFL and b) they're necessary to the story WE'RE telling. There's still plenty of room between LotF and us, IMO. And, I think, in DR's.


Linky linky. And you know what? I agree. If a crazy cool Celestial invasion war thingie happened now, why would characters from Legacy randomly reference it ninety years later? Traviss's books aside, characters in LOTF didn't talk about the Battle for Naboo. tongue

Sinre, as much as I love that idea, the fact that the creative team is already setting up Legacy gives me little faith that they'll shake things up too much...

 

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Date Posted: 6/29 12:37pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Celestial Invasion...which can only be stopped by one man.

Luke Skywalker.

And he'll give himself over to the Celestials to keep a huge, interstellar war from happening again.

 

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Ackbar_Van_Gungan  1297 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 12:45pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Jeff_Ferguson posted:

And you know what? I agree. If a crazy cool Celestial invasion war thingie happened now, why would characters from Legacy randomly reference it ninety years later? Traviss's books aside, characters in LOTF didn't talk about the Battle for Naboo. tongue

Sinre, as much as I love that idea, the fact that the creative team is already setting up Legacy gives me little faith that they'll shake things up too much...


I understand this point but in my mind this would be something above and beyond even the Vong invasion. Way above and beyond. I'm thinking like the 2nd Coming of Christ for the Star Wars galaxy.

Small scale wars or even larger galaxy wide ones I could understand skipping over but something of that scale would be implausible. And it's not that they don't talk about it, it's the fact that galactic politics isn't shaped by it.

Try and create a geopolitical system 100 years out from WWI. Then go back and throw WWII in there.

In Legacy you can see clear lines between FotJ and Legacy. There isn't room for a galaxy shaping event in there unless it shapes everything and then something else reshapes it back.

And while it doesn't have to be galaxy shaping, wouldn't anything less than that from the Celestials be a bit disappointing?

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Ackbar_Van_Gungan  1297 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 12:47pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
darthcaedus1138 posted:
Celestial Invasion...which can only be stopped by one man.

Luke Skywalker.

And he'll give himself over to the Celestials to keep a huge, interstellar war from happening again.



They've been depowering Luke for too long to build him back up like that.

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Date Posted: 6/29 1:06pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Darth-Ghost posted:



I may be imagining but (possible Abyss spoiler) didn't someone say that Luke and Ben's journey ends in the 3rd FOTJ book (ABYSS)??


^^Where did you hear that?

 

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