Sinrebirth posted: This is the kinda thing Zor, Uli and I would have a field day over. But here's the really interesting fact; The Tribe are called the 'Protectors' by the Keshri. The Jedi are called the 'Protectors' by the Killiks. The species periodically devastates the galaxy to return worlds to their natural state; links to the Sharu, as Hav notes. The Prophet of the Aing-Ti suggested that those 'Beyond the Veil' are to return shortly. Centerpoint has been destroyed very recently; Celestial tech seems to be breaking down if Kessel is any indication. Are the Celestials enemies returning? Or the Celestials themselves? Has Del Rey actually decided to do something original? Is this the new Yuuzhan Vong Invasion? Is the Force Craziness, Darth Caedus and everything else simply the opening stages of their assault? I'm... intrigued. I suspect Fate of the Jedi is setup for these new arrivals.
Darth-Ghost posted:People during the Killik crisis hardly talked about the Vong invasion, doesn't mean it didn't happen or wasn't significant.
Thinine posted:Havac posted:But another observation: Cilghal may have thought Jysella was flow-walking, but she wasn't. All we have is Cilghal's assumption that because she was doing something that involved the future, it was flow-walking. Instead, what she was displaying was almost identical to the extremely precise, on-cue visions of possible futures we saw Jacen summoning in Betrayal and later in LOTF. That exploration of the web of possible futures much more closely matches what Jysella is doing than the straight-up "visit the future or past" flow-walking we see Jacen, and later Tahiri and Ben, engage in. It's possible it's related, it's possible that flow-walking is a grand technique that embraces time-travel as well as exploration of possible futures in the flow -- like telekinesis covers Force pushes, levitation, and strangulation -- but it's really not necessary. The technique bears absolutely no resemblance to flow-walking as we've seen it before, but the only thing saying that's flow-walking is Cilghal's assumption, and the book makes it clear she doesn't really know what the hell she's talking about. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.I think one main difference is that flow-walking is location specific, while general Jedi future-sensing can take place anywhere. Plus, flow-walking is much more specific than the feelings about the future that Jedi usually see. So Jysella seeing herself fighting out of the academy is consistent with flow-walking as we know it. She flow-walked into the future slightly and observed her battle specifically, just like Jacen did in the Dark Next Trilogy to tell Leia where he and Jaina were. There may be some grey areas regarding the line between flow-walking and Jedi future-sense, but I think this was pretty clear flow-walking.
Havac posted:But another observation: Cilghal may have thought Jysella was flow-walking, but she wasn't. All we have is Cilghal's assumption that because she was doing something that involved the future, it was flow-walking. Instead, what she was displaying was almost identical to the extremely precise, on-cue visions of possible futures we saw Jacen summoning in Betrayal and later in LOTF. That exploration of the web of possible futures much more closely matches what Jysella is doing than the straight-up "visit the future or past" flow-walking we see Jacen, and later Tahiri and Ben, engage in. It's possible it's related, it's possible that flow-walking is a grand technique that embraces time-travel as well as exploration of possible futures in the flow -- like telekinesis covers Force pushes, levitation, and strangulation -- but it's really not necessary. The technique bears absolutely no resemblance to flow-walking as we've seen it before, but the only thing saying that's flow-walking is Cilghal's assumption, and the book makes it clear she doesn't really know what the hell she's talking about. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Hendo255 posted:Sinrebirth posted:Havac posted:Also, THE DESTRUCTORS. As far as I'm concerned, an obvious reference to the advanced-civilization-eaters of Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu. The references to ancient history pile up with each book. I'm really intrigued. I think they're going somewhere here. EDIT: I'll expand on where I think they're going with this, since I just had it click and told RF. As I said with Outcast, I'm convinced that the Kessel plotline and it's tie-in with Centerpoint revolved around the use of the Maw as a Celestial-designed containment system for the Maw threat. Omen has me thinking that it might be containing the Destructors -- probably the same as the Mind Drinkers -- after their defeat at the hands of the Celestials. If so -- and I think that's the way the dots best connect -- I'm super-excited, since that's a fascinating angle to take and a great way to explore ancient history without a silly fanboy "Star Wars: Thousands Of Years Before Anything Recognizable" series. This is the kinda thing Zor, Uli and I would have a field day over. But here's the really interesting fact; The Tribe are called the 'Protectors' by the Keshri. The Jedi are called the 'Protectors' by the Killiks. The species periodically devastates the galaxy to return worlds to their natural state; links to the Sharu, as Hav notes. The Prophet of the Aing-Ti suggested that those 'Beyond the Veil' are to return shortly. Centerpoint has been destroyed very recently; Celestial tech seems to be breaking down if Kessel is any indication. Are the Celestials enemies returning? Or the Celestials themselves? Has Del Rey actually decided to do something original? Is this the new Yuuzhan Vong Invasion? Is the Force Craziness, Darth Caedus and everything else simply the opening stages of their assault? I'm... intrigued. I suspect Fate of the Jedi is setup for these new arrivals. ohhh I'd like that a lot more so on the side of the Celestials enemies returning. I want to learn much more about the Celestials but at the same time I don't because I want them to remain mysterious lol But if their enemies returned, then we'd learn so much more about them without learning "too much"
Sinrebirth posted:Havac posted:Also, THE DESTRUCTORS. As far as I'm concerned, an obvious reference to the advanced-civilization-eaters of Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu. The references to ancient history pile up with each book. I'm really intrigued. I think they're going somewhere here. EDIT: I'll expand on where I think they're going with this, since I just had it click and told RF. As I said with Outcast, I'm convinced that the Kessel plotline and it's tie-in with Centerpoint revolved around the use of the Maw as a Celestial-designed containment system for the Maw threat. Omen has me thinking that it might be containing the Destructors -- probably the same as the Mind Drinkers -- after their defeat at the hands of the Celestials. If so -- and I think that's the way the dots best connect -- I'm super-excited, since that's a fascinating angle to take and a great way to explore ancient history without a silly fanboy "Star Wars: Thousands Of Years Before Anything Recognizable" series. This is the kinda thing Zor, Uli and I would have a field day over. But here's the really interesting fact; The Tribe are called the 'Protectors' by the Keshri. The Jedi are called the 'Protectors' by the Killiks. The species periodically devastates the galaxy to return worlds to their natural state; links to the Sharu, as Hav notes. The Prophet of the Aing-Ti suggested that those 'Beyond the Veil' are to return shortly. Centerpoint has been destroyed very recently; Celestial tech seems to be breaking down if Kessel is any indication. Are the Celestials enemies returning? Or the Celestials themselves? Has Del Rey actually decided to do something original? Is this the new Yuuzhan Vong Invasion? Is the Force Craziness, Darth Caedus and everything else simply the opening stages of their assault? I'm... intrigued. I suspect Fate of the Jedi is setup for these new arrivals.
Havac posted:Also, THE DESTRUCTORS. As far as I'm concerned, an obvious reference to the advanced-civilization-eaters of Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu. The references to ancient history pile up with each book. I'm really intrigued. I think they're going somewhere here. EDIT: I'll expand on where I think they're going with this, since I just had it click and told RF. As I said with Outcast, I'm convinced that the Kessel plotline and it's tie-in with Centerpoint revolved around the use of the Maw as a Celestial-designed containment system for the Maw threat. Omen has me thinking that it might be containing the Destructors -- probably the same as the Mind Drinkers -- after their defeat at the hands of the Celestials. If so -- and I think that's the way the dots best connect -- I'm super-excited, since that's a fascinating angle to take and a great way to explore ancient history without a silly fanboy "Star Wars: Thousands Of Years Before Anything Recognizable" series.
Darth-Ghost posted:Also, since John Ostrander, John Jackson Miller, James Luceno, Matt Stover, and others were involved with the brainstorming of FATE OF THE JEDI, I'm sure everything will fit in perfectly.
Hendo255 posted:well this is a VERY weird feeling... after having read so many SW books in such a short amount of time, I now feel very bored and like I have nothing to do ahh the price of wanting FotJ spoiler free... damn lol
Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted:darthcaedus1138 posted:Celestial Invasion...which can only be stopped by one man. Luke Skywalker. And he'll give himself over to the Celestials to keep a huge, interstellar war from happening again. They've been depowering Luke for too long to build him back up like that. -The Rebel Gungan
darthcaedus1138 posted:Celestial Invasion...which can only be stopped by one man. Luke Skywalker. And he'll give himself over to the Celestials to keep a huge, interstellar war from happening again.
Jeff_Ferguson posted:Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted: It would be interesting but from an in-universe perspective it would be strange that Legacy would have no references to these potential events. It's more likely that Luke (or someone) finds them. -The Rebel Gungan That was my biggest worry when Legacy was released --- that there was no more room for more devastating wars to engulf the galaxy after the Vong Invasion. So, back in 2006... Jeff Ferguson posted:The public opinion of the galaxy in Legacy is influenced quite a bit by the Vong war. When you were developing this plotline, did you consider that in the 100 years between the NJO and Legacy, there's quite a bit of room for an even more devastating war to engulf the galaxy? After all, what would the stars be without the wars? JohnOstrander posted:To answer your first question -- yes, there's always that possibility. It depends on what DR wants to do after LotF. We won't refer to events in that time period unless a) it's okay with DR and LFL and b) they're necessary to the story WE'RE telling. There's still plenty of room between LotF and us, IMO. And, I think, in DR's. Linky linky. And you know what? I agree. If a crazy cool Celestial invasion war thingie happened now, why would characters from Legacy randomly reference it ninety years later? Traviss's books aside, characters in LOTF didn't talk about the Battle for Naboo. Sinre, as much as I love that idea, the fact that the creative team is already setting up Legacy gives me little faith that they'll shake things up too much...
Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted: It would be interesting but from an in-universe perspective it would be strange that Legacy would have no references to these potential events. It's more likely that Luke (or someone) finds them. -The Rebel Gungan
Jeff Ferguson posted:The public opinion of the galaxy in Legacy is influenced quite a bit by the Vong war. When you were developing this plotline, did you consider that in the 100 years between the NJO and Legacy, there's quite a bit of room for an even more devastating war to engulf the galaxy? After all, what would the stars be without the wars?
JohnOstrander posted:To answer your first question -- yes, there's always that possibility. It depends on what DR wants to do after LotF. We won't refer to events in that time period unless a) it's okay with DR and LFL and b) they're necessary to the story WE'RE telling. There's still plenty of room between LotF and us, IMO. And, I think, in DR's.