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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 6/30 2:46pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Sinrebirth posted: the Yuuzhan Vong War shouldn't have taken 90 years to recover from Erm... yeah, it kinda should've. It was estimated that Coruscant alone would be essentially uninhabitable for decades, and compared to a lot of other planets, it got off relatively light. -----signature----- RIP Jacen's Crotch 1991 - 2008
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GoA Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 6/30 2:48pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Trip posted: Erm... yeah, it kinda should've. It was estimated that Coruscant alone would be essentially uninhabitable for decades, and compared to a lot of other planets, it got off relatively light. That seemed to be conveniently retconned away during DN, since apparently it took less than 5 years for Coruscant to be livable again. -----signature----- Everything I tell you is a lie
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FireJade Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 6/30 2:54pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Maybe it was the Yuuzhan Vong and not industrial work that made Coruscant's atmosphere too polluted for thrantas. -----signature----- Luke: Still, I think I make a pretty good Luke Skywalker. Mara: Of course you do. Luke: So before you began impersonating Mara, what was your real hair color? Mara: Farmboy, you're asking for a beating... --- LotF: Betrayal by Aaron Allston (2006), p. 228
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S1thari Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 6/30 4:40pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 6/30 4:44pm (2 edits total) Edited By: S1thari
	Robimus posted: The Lost Tribe of the Sith is way to cuddly for my tastes and the Meditation Sphere's sudden departure makes Vestara look kinda unimportant. So they're gonna try and kill Luke, whoopee, thats something new. These tame, loving Sith are just not what I'm looking for at all. At least if Rhea would have killed Vestara's mount there would have been some hint of cold menace, but even that was all fail. I was personally hoping that the Sith Sphere was going to wisk of with Vestara and teach her what being a Sith is really all about. Only then to have her return later and put her boot down on the nice Sith's collective throats.............This Lost Tribe plot is coming across as completely unneeded to me right now. I'm hoping that's just a product of Golden's writing, and that Denning and Allston can take it where it needs to go. After all, they'll be facing Ben and Luke in ABYSS... They'll have to show some malice. Robimus posted: "Jaina, will you marry me?" Big line, but nobody cares anymore. It's obvious that there will be no twists on this journey into Legacy. As much as I enjoy the comic series sometimes I wish it didn't exist. Agreed.
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Dawud786 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 6/30 5:15pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Darth-Stoic posted: I wonder when that voice Allana was hearing in Outcast is going to come back into play? She did claim to have heard it through the Force... Maybe its the thing thats in the maw I'm going to say right now that the voice Allana heard in Outcast was one of the Mind Drinkers. So Luke and Ben are going there, and these crazed Jedi are younglings that were sheltered at the Maw. First I thought "oh stang! Ben's going to go crazy in the middle of this journey!" Then I thought "wait a minute, Ben withdrew from the Force while he was at the Maw, I bet it has more to do with the Mind Drinkers than it actually did the Yuuzhan Vong War and thus Ben is going to be immune to this insanity/Force addiction plague spreading amongst that group of Jedi." A couple issues have... firstly, the obvious. Length. This is just craziness. Not even 250 pages and I paid 15 dollars for the SFBC edition of the book and I think it's too much for this little material even in a scaled down size etc. I feel for you guys buying the full sized regular hardcovers, because I'm miffed. Secondly, the Jedi Temple. Is it suddenly canon that the original Jedi Temple hung around up until the Yuuzhan Vong Vong-formed Coruscant? Okay, acceptable it was there in the end of the latest DVD of ROTJ and from what I previously understood there was some retcon regarding the Lusakya's escape from Coruscant and leveling the Temple. Now we've got not only Kenth Hamner having memories of the old Jedi Temple as if it stood in it's full glory in his days of Knighthood and that he actually gazed out of the central spire; but we've also got Jysella Horn having memories of going to the Jedi Temple and using the main entrance steps as if she'd been raised there like the Jedi of the Old Republic. She did all her training on Yavin IV like most of the rest of the NJO... what's going on there? I can accept that there were ruins, you know... like we see Luke, Kam and Corran training in in the Union comic, but to have memories as if they'd been conducting business out of the Temple on a regular basis? I don't think so... The Lost Tribe of the Sith... well, they aren't all that Sithly are they? I guess 5000 years of being cut off from the rest of the galaxy with nary and actual Sith Lord in your group would leave you a little less hard than even the original Sith that they descended from. Let alone Bane's Sith. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/slaveoftheforce
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Darth-Ghost Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/30 5:53pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 6/30 5:57pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
	But the other previews for ABYSS said that a powerful and purely evil "being" (singular) was waiting in the Maw for Luke Skywalker, with its own plans for him. I think both the Lost Tribe and the Mind Walkers are red herrings, there is something else in there. The real question is: does Daala know? She came from the Maw too. As did these Force-crazed Jedi, who were there during the Vong War. Ben is presumed to be safe, because he withdrew from the Force, but you never know. What did Jacen know about it, how did he "awaken" it? What does it want with Allana? With Raynar coming back, and the Killiks claiming they helped build the Maw, could he have some information on the Celestials or the true purpose of the Maw? I have a theory, but it's too crazy to share, I'd rather just wait until ABYSS comes out.
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S1thari Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 6/30 6:11pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Dawud786 posted: Secondly, the Jedi Temple. Is it suddenly canon that the original Jedi Temple hung around up until the Yuuzhan Vong Vong-formed Coruscant? Okay, acceptable it was there in the end of the latest DVD of ROTJ and from what I previously understood there was some retcon regarding the Lusakya's escape from Coruscant and leveling the Temple. Now we've got not only Kenth Hamner having memories of the old Jedi Temple as if it stood in it's full glory in his days of Knighthood and that he actually gazed out of the central spire; but we've also got Jysella Horn having memories of going to the Jedi Temple and using the main entrance steps as if she'd been raised there like the Jedi of the Old Republic. She did all her training on Yavin IV like most of the rest of the NJO... what's going on there? I can accept that there were ruins, you know... like we see Luke, Kam and Corran training in in the Union comic, but to have memories as if they'd been conducting business out of the Temple on a regular basis? I don't think so... Didn't Jacen stand on those very steps and flow-walk back to when Anakin invaded the Jedi Temple with the 501st in BLOODLINES? I know that it was described in that novel that the Temple had been reconstructed, but I think at least some of it is original and untouched. Not quite sure though. Darth-Ghost posted: The real question is: does Daala know? She came from the Maw too. Wow, that's a good question. Never even considered it until now. If you think about it, it makes some sense. Daala has always hated the Jedi, and if she somehow knew about whatever seems to be causing the Jedi to go Mad, what better way to use it for her own ends in order to gain full control -- as is her stated goal according to OMEN -- or wipe them out entirely? That would be one helluva plot twist...
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Dawud786 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 6/30 6:29pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	My theory is that Daala's psychotic rampages through the New Republic way back when are being set up to be retconned to have something to do with whatever is driving our crazy Jedi batty. It might require longer exposure for a non-Force-sensitive to go nuts like that... but Daala was in there for at least a decade. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/slaveoftheforce
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 6/30 6:42pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Robimus posted: "Jaina, will you marry me?" Big line, but nobody cares anymore. It's obvious that there will be no twists on this journey into Legacy. As much as I enjoy the comic series sometimes I wish it didn't exist. How the hell is that Legacy's fault? If you want to complain that things are being set up too early and obviously, that's a problem at DR's end, not DH's. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?" "I . . . don't know what department I want. I need . . . pants."
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Thrawn McEwok Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 6/30 7:03pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 6/30 7:13pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Thrawn McEwok
	Havac posted: But another observation: Cilghal may have thought Jysella was flow-walking, but she wasn't. QFT. Flow-walking always seems to involve the ability to affect* and interact with what's seen (even if the effects are illusory). Jysella's trick, like everything we've seen thus far, could also be explained as a slightly hardcore version of a normal Jedi power (in this case, one of the most basic: "seeing things before they happen"). What does this mean? Who knows... Robimus posted: But then I always have loved Thrawn McEwok's defences of Tahiri I'm not sure what this has to do with your trashing of the character. The problem isn't that Tahiri did bad stuff. It's that all the characters have done bad stuff. Ben, for example, assassinated Gejjen, then deliberately murdered Commander Twizzl, on the grounds that Jacen would never expect a lightsaber strike from him which require the killing of an utterly innocent man. Not to mention stuff involving Cal Omas and the Wookiees. Moff Lecersen, for instance, could - with Tahiri as star witness - be extradited to Hapes for the "murder" of Allana. Boba and Mirta killed Thrackan and a lot of Moffs (why is Pellaeon different than Quille?); Jaina was involved in the assassination of Quille, and of course killed Jacen (her only defense here would be that Luke was mind-controlling her at the time).... You've always been a very vocal Pellaeon fan, Roh - but this was hardly unique, and it was an authorial/editorial decision. Why are you blaming a fictional character for it? - The Imperial Ewok -----signature----- A/T = OTP :===8[#]8===: Kyp/Jaina fans: stand up and be counted!
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Darth-Ghost Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/30 7:43pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 6/30 7:49pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
	Dawud786 posted: My theory is that Daala's psychotic rampages through the New Republic way back when are being set up to be retconned to have something to do with whatever is driving our crazy Jedi batty. It might require longer exposure for a non-Force-sensitive to go nuts like that... but Daala was in there for at least a decade. That is part of my theory. Also, where was Lumiya between BETRAYAL and her last appearance in Marvel Comics? Both her and Daala were missing Imperials, presumed dead for years. Lumiya starts a war. Daala comes out as ultimate winner of the war. Lumiya hinted that a plot would be continued, even if she died, and she was not talking about the One Sith. Could Vergere have sensed something was amiss with the Maw when she returned, and visited during that "missing year"?
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JediMatteus Registered: Sep '08	Date Posted: 6/30 7:51pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	OUTCAST definitely wasn't the highest point of Allston's writing career, I agree. i thought that outcast was a good book. but i think the mind drinkers are really people who need help from an addiction. it's like if someone was killing themselves and coming back and seeing something. I know in Smallville that was a big problem for Lana -----signature----- "Every generation has its challenges to face, its own battles to win. Why should yours be any different? Running away from your responsibilities won't solve anything." -Luke Skywalker
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Jeff_Ferguson Registered: May '06	Date Posted: 6/30 9:35pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Sinrebirth posted: I don't see why the Celestial Invasion would need referencing if it wasn't necessary. Clearly the Yuuzhan Vong were relevant to the plot of Legacy. To be even more fair, the plot of Legacy could be even more reliant on something epic happening - the Yuuzhan Vong War shouldn't have taken 90 years to recover from - the subsequent years need to be sufficiently tumultuous to slow down the recovery, after all. Very well said! I mean, we don't honestly believe that after Fate of the Jedi is over, Lucasfilm Licensing & Del Rey will have Legacy completely set up and will declare ninety years of peace, do we? Perhaps the Celestials invade, are redeemed, and then Kol Skywalker's father uses their talents to do good things to devastated planets... and it is not sabotaged by the Sith. People forgive the Celestials and stop talking about them. Kol, inspired by his father, tries the same thing with the Yuuzhan Vong... and the future of SW thus begins. The point is that the possibilities are endless. Let's not count out the next ninety years quite yet! ~~~~ Hello everyone; I have a random thought. Do you think that the planning team remembers that Ben was in Shelter during the Yuuzhan Vong War? ... Is it possible that he will go insane? -----signature----- "We are Imperial Knights. We do our duty by the Emperor and by the Force—no matter the cost." --- Sigel Dare "In the name of the true Emperor, Roan Fel, we come bearing greetings to our Jedi cousins." --- Marasiah Fel
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NewStaryknight Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 6/30 9:51pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	^^Yes, but Ben withdrew from the force back in that time. So that could tell us that he's immune to whatever is in the Maw that's making the Jedi go nuts. Now why Allana, who wasn't even close to being born back then could hear a voice that's possibly this evil being, that's a question that I don't have an answer to.
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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 6/30 10:15pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Thrawn Posted: You've always been a very vocal Pellaeon fan, Roh - but this was hardly unique, and it was an authorial/editorial decision. Why are you blaming a fictional character for it? You seem to think it's Pellaeons death that I'm upset with? That couldn't be farther from the truth. I've always supported the way his death was written on these very boards. No, this is something different. I guess we're to cease to enjoy the universe from within and must look at every thing OOU now? I prefer looking at everything from an IU perspective, at least as much as possible. Ben, Jaina, Daala, Lecersen, Boba, Mirta and Jaina's actions have nothing to do with Tahiri. Thats the crux of this. Tahiri commited crimes and is being called to task for them, she can't hide behind other characters who have done bad things as well. Am I to be sorry that her actions with Pellaeon and Shevu invoked an emotional reaction from me? That her actions made me hate her character? No, thats the point of the storytelling...........isn't it? I don't know why we're not allowed to root for favorite characters or, like or dislike them or even have emotion for them. No instead now we're to dimiss everything as OOU? I don't see where your coming from with this at all. Actually Thrawn, I agree with your breakdown of every character except Jaina. She had nothing to do with Quille's death and was clearly gunning for Tahiri and Jacen only, in a war zone no less. To me Lecersen, Daala, Boba and Mirta have thus far escaped punishment due to their ranks in the governments they represent. But thats not to say they will forever escape punishment, but for now they have. Daala ended up Head of State, Lecersen basically cut a plea bargain with Luke and the Mandalorians with Daala as leader of the GA will be given slack. Ben, well Ben is keeping everything hush, hush. He's hiding with his father right now. I think a facinating story would be him be called to task for his crimes. And this could still happen once negociations with the Confederacy get done. I think this whole thing boils down more to one reader who enjoyed LOTF to an extent and another that didn't. Havac: How the hell is that Legacy's fault? If you want to complain that things are being set up too early and obviously, that's a problem at DR's end, not DH's. We wouldn't know what was being set up. I hold both DR and DH both responsible, both could have done things differently. The idea that I should slam Delrey but leave Darkhorse on their lofty pedestal when they are the ones who set the timeline and created the Felpire isn't right. Being the selfish reader that I am I've never liked that Legacy intrudes on the forward timeline of the novels, but thats really my problem and not yours. You disagree and I'm fine with that. We've travelled this road before, no need to go there again. -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you? . http://www.cccomiccon.com http://www.actionfigurenews.ca
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