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S1thari Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 6/30 10:29pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Robimus posted: Ben, well Ben is keeping everything hush, hush. He's hiding with his father right now. I think a facinating story would be him be called to task for his crimes. I never understood how Ben got away with killing Cal Omas. Just about everyone knew it was him, and being the Grand Master of the Jedi order's son shouldn't weigh into the equation, either. He was a former Chief of State. How did this get overlooked??
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NelanisGhost Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 6/30 11:06pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	S1thari posted: Robimus posted: Ben, well Ben is keeping everything hush, hush. He's hiding with his father right now. I think a facinating story would be him be called to task for his crimes. I never understood how Ben got away with killing Cal Omas. Just about everyone knew it was him, and being the Grand Master of the Jedi order's son shouldn't weigh into the equation, either. He was a former Chief of State. How did this get overlooked?? I said Ben's crimes would be glossed over like they never even happened. It's not right, but nepotism strikes a again. I think Ben knew it would become an issue if he'd stayed, too. -----signature----- If there's a bright center of the galaxy, you're on the planet it's farthest from: Earth Our own stunning bright center: http://astrosurf.com/sguisard/Pagim/GC.html Barnes and Noble: TFU hardcover. Nice! $5.98 in discount section.....
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SlackJawedJedi Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 7/1 12:32am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Ben didn't kill Cal. Cal killed Cal, when Ben came to kill him. THere's a difference. ;p -----signature----- Everyone's in favour of saving Hitler's brain... but when you put it in the body of a great white shark, ooo, suddenly you've gone too far! Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany, ambitious and misunderstood! Oh... your...God!
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/1 6:07am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Mind Drinkers? Anzati? They drink your mind soup, don't they. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/1 8:10am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Robimus : Being the selfish reader that I am I've never liked that Legacy intrudes on the forward timeline of the novels, I've never liked that either. The Legacy comic story should have been set another couple of hundred years in the future and then the stories wouldn't be limiting one another. Best of all, there still would have been some surprises in the novels about the future. Unfortunately, now the future is set in stone. SlackJawedJedi : Ben didn't kill Cal. Cal killed Cal, when Ben came to kill him. Right and I think once Ben got there, he changed his mind about killing Cal, didn't he? However, Ben did kill the Corellian head of state.
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Dawud786 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 7/1 9:06am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	A thought... the Celestials aren't the bad guys. Their technology, however, was being used to keep whatever this thing in the Maw is trapped. You've got the breakdown and ultimate destruction by Lando and the Solos and ex-Rogues of all that Celestial tech in Kessel; and you've got this Maw that was rumored to have been put in place by Centerpoint, which was destroyed in LOTF. We've got Raynar finally coming out of his Killik insanity and presumably he's got some knowledge of the Celestials in that scarred cranium of his. The Celestials aren't bad, but they were trying to keep something bad locked away. Luke picked up this Codex and it heightened his Force powers/sensitivity and yet he said it wasn't "evil" or "bad" but that being that open(perhaps it didn't amplify, but really just fully opened him in ways he's never been open before) left him more vulnerable to the dark side. Anyways, point being... the Celestials aren't the bad guys but they were keeping the bad guy in prison and that prison just happens to be the Maw. I don't doubt that "Those Beyond The Veil" are the Celestials, and perhaps this Aing-Tii prophet snuck into the relic Embrace and touched the Codex too and he gleaned more knowledge than Luke about this wrongness in the Maw. Perhaps he knew that the Celestial prison tech was breaking down and that this Thing would be getting loose and that this is also a sign of the return of Those Beyond The Veil. Which kind of makes me wonder if the Celestials aren't some sort of angelic super-race, actually. As I'd posited years ago when DNT first mentioned them. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/slaveoftheforce
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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/1 9:24am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	SlackJawedJedi posted: Ben didn't kill Cal. Cal killed Cal, when Ben came to kill him. THere's a difference. ;p Cal Omas isn't his only victem though. I have to wonder how a judge or jury would view that crime in any case. -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you? . http://www.cccomiccon.com http://www.actionfigurenews.ca
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GoA Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 7/1 10:12am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/1 10:13am (1 edits total) Edited By: GoA
	Robimus posted: Being the selfish reader that I am I've never liked that Legacy intrudes on the forward timeline of the novels, but thats really my problem and not yours. You disagree and I'm fine with that. I don't think it would be as big an issue if DR wouldn't constantly churn out these massive 9-book series, and separate each by 5 or so years. From the NJO to FotJ, in universe, we've traveled through, what, twenty years now? And all we've had during that time are 3 major series, and 1 minor one (Dark Nest). So four "stories" have taken us twenty years into the future. Contrast that with the fact that before the NJO, there were a lot more smaller series and stand alones covering the 20 years after RotJ, and it just felt like so much more happened (Thrawn trilogy, Black Fleet, X-Wing series, Corellian trilogy, a bunch of stand alones, etc.). I think that, if DR stopped making these 9-book series, and instead set a bunch of trilogies within a year of each other (instead of these constant 5 year gaps), the Legacy comic stuff wouldn't be as limiting as it is now. -----signature----- Everything I tell you is a lie
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Hendo255 Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 7/1 10:25am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/1 10:39am (2 edits total) Edited By: Hendo255
	it's crazy theory time!! sorry, this is going to be a little long lol I like the Mass Effect like theory (never played the game but after I saw the post I checked out the Wiki lol) now to expand on the Celestial's enemy returning, Maybe this can all be linked with the destruction of Centerpoint? Centerpoint's destruction could have been the trigger. Sure they figured out how to fire it but there's still little that they actually KNOW about it. Also this would further the attempted redemption of LotF by trying to link it more directly with FotJ So. Yes, the "enemies" were always present and able to whisper into the minds of the younglings planting proverbial seeds but maybe after Centerpoint was destroyed, other Celestial safeguards started to fail? It's just that the only one we've seen so far was Kessel. Or maybe instead, Kessel(or the former planet as a whole) was supposed to blow up as some kind of further safeguard or failsafe and Lando stopped it, making the problem worse thereby accelerating their release? Little time line… -Younglings living in the Maw having the prisoners mess with their minds (Reminds me of the Simpsons when Springfield Elementary, to make money added prison cells to help the over crowded jail. At the End Snake’s cell is right behind Bart and he says “help me get out of here and I’ll totally make it worth your while” to which Bart says “I’m listening” -Centerpoint goes boom. Causing… -safeguards on the Maw “Prison” to fail… -After enough safeguards have failed, they’re able to start the Force Insanity setting up for their big jail break and nowwwwwwwwwwwwww Only Luke and Ben Skywalker together with(calling it now) Ben’s future wife who he is going to redeem (the Sith Tribe apprentice, can’t remember how to spell her name) can stop them! Ben said so much himself, “The Skywalkers, celebrating a proud family tradition of bringing people back from the Dark Side” Not an exact quote but my book’s at home lol ----------------------- and finally... Damn… just when I thought I was done with my theories for the day this popped into my mind… while I still believe that he was merely a slave to his powers and that caused his fall (ie: seeing the future so easily) I wouldn’t be TOTALLY shocked if when Jacen went to the Maw, he found the Celestial’s enemies, thus discovering a new hidden threat that he felt he would have to protect the Galaxy from in the eventuality of their escape(which he also saw happening in the future)... and much like with Anakin Skywalker, he didn’t realize that it was his actions that were going to cause what he wanted to stop from happening. ie: if he never became a Sith, Centerpoint would still be there and the jail break wouldn’t be possible… bam… yet another simple way to link LotF to FotJ The writers know that we all love Revan so it wouldn’t surprise me if they stole his mojo in an attempt to make a more complex explanation for Jacen becoming a Sith and try redeeming his fall in our eyes a bit… thoughts? oh also Ben wouldn't be Tried for what he did. He was a soldier following orders with Gedgin(he was never linked to that anyway) and Omas killed himself. For war crime trials, it's the higher ups that are tried. Not the Grunts which he basically was. Dalla only had Tahiri arrested because of her loyalty to Palleon. Also, she didn't act on "orders". Jacen only told her to make him cooperate. Dalla most likely only pulled the trigger now(almost 2 years later) because she needed some way to deal a blow to the Jedi eventho Tahiri is no longer a part. and besides... Jag will throw out the charges. It's all a PR thing because Dalla is pissed that the Jedi came out on top yet again. and Palleon wasn't a citizen of the GA. He was an Imperial. That's like someone from France going to the USA and killing one of our high ranking Generals only to return home to France. The person would be extradited back here to the US for trial -----signature----- Zayne is the Sith Emperor. Both use the Force, both lived around the same time and Zayne is friends with Gryph who is a notorious con-artist. See! it all fits together perfectly!
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Tricky Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 7/1 11:31am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Yay, Tahiri is busted, I hopes Daala can execute her before this is all over, I'd love to see a Jedi get killed for killing someone else. Just once. That's what Tahiri gets for thinking she can become a BOUNTY HUNTER, she never even caught any crims as a BH, just hung around hoping the other Jedi would forgive her & let her back in. Fake Sith, fake bounty hunter, fake vong & useless Jedi! -----signature----- "Six pints of bitter," said Ford Prefect to the barman of the Horse and Groom. "And quickly please, the world's about to end." We like to Suckadelic.com. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is a wholly remarkable book
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Kidan Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 7/1 1:05pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Tricky posted: Yay, Tahiri is busted, I hopes Daala can execute her before this is all over, I'd love to see a Jedi get killed for killing someone else. Just once. That's what Tahiri gets for thinking she can become a BOUNTY HUNTER, she never even caught any crims as a BH, just hung around hoping the other Jedi would forgive her & let her back in. Fake Sith, fake bounty hunter, fake vong & useless Jedi! ACTUALLY, we have no example of how she performed as a bounty hunter. We know that she performed well enough to have an apartment on Coruscant, and that she continued to do little things like eat. That said, Tahiri did nothing that Ben did not do, or was not complicit in. So, if we're going to take out Tahiri for following Jacen's orders, then everyone that was in GAG needs to be arrested as well as Ben Skywalker. Worse, it's possible that Ben could be tried for treason for abandoning his post in GAG (since he was a Lt. which is a commissioned officer) and providing aide and comfort to the enemy (in this case the Jedi who were actively working against GAG). And now, it is time for my very own CRAZY THEORY TIME!!! With special help from the recent Flow Walking information provided in Omen.... This begins with the canonization of the following statement from the Aing-Tii, in which they admit that the past CAN be changed. The exact words of the text are (page 225): One who traveled into the past could be seen and heard--even change things. But according to the Aing-Tii, the Force would resume its natural flow. One couldn't change things in any significant way; the Force would bring things back to the way they should be. Now, the thing is the "significant" phrase there, and the fact that the Force always brings things back to the way they "should" be. First, the Significant thing touches against Chaos Theory, things like where someone would go back in time and kill an insignificant bug a million years ago, and that keeps you from being born. What is significant? Displaced oxygen? Death of an animal? Keeping something from dying? Blowing up a world? In a society which has the technology to destroy stars, a single human life is somewhat insignificant--at least in the short term. The same applies to the death of any thing, or just moving a jar about. What may seem insignificant at this moment, cascades into major changes centuries (or possibly even months) from then. Look at Asimov's Eternity or Weber's "Ring of Fire" series for examples of this concept. Now, the phrase "bring things back to the way they should be" is even better, especially as we're not given a time frame, or even conceptual framework upon which that works. Could those who were close to the point in space-time of the change, begin to feel the effects of the change first? When would those modifications take effect? How? Would Force Sensitives feel the change before others? Another point that I want to make, is to bring to mind the flow-walking Caedus which was seen at the end of Betrayal. We never saw Caedus make this trip back into time--additionally, this was a Caedus that was 5-10 years older than the current Jacen. A Caedus that was about the age that Jacen would be in FotJ if he had survived. Now, what that means is that we take that Caedus whom Lumiya was talking to as a Flow-Walking Jacen, going into his past, to make his transformation into a Sith happen easier or quicker, then we have a clear case of a Jacen flow-walking back from a future in which he did not make it too. He made significant changes to his own past, which resulted in his death. So, that begs the question: What if those Jedi who are suffering "Mental Breaks" are right? What if everyone but them are in fact imposters? At least, from a certain point of view... if we take it as granted that the Caedus seen at the end of Betrayal is a flow-walking Caedus from the future--post his death, then the Force would work to correct the Flow, and return things to how they "should" be. As the Force began to exert its will upon the Flow to correct things, some of the Jedi may be tapping into that early, sensing everyone and everything as imposters and fakes. And gaining abilities which they would have learned in the proper timeline. Which explains and describes exactly what's happening with these Jedi who are having the breakdowns. -----signature----- You sadistic Yank!! - McEwok http://www.TheExpandedUniverse.com Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul
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Darth-Ghost Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 7/1 1:41pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/1 1:44pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
	Another point that I want to make, is to bring to mind the flow-walking Caedus which was seen at the end of Betrayal. We never saw Caedus make this trip back into time--additionally, this was a Caedus that was 5-10 years older than the current Jacen. A Caedus that was about the age that Jacen would be in FotJ if he had survived. You do have a cool theory, but that wasn't flow-walking. Lumiya was using the dark energies of the asteroid to talk with an illusion, of the kind of Sith Lord she would like Jacen to become, basically talking to herself. And it never said it looked 5-10 years older, either.
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Kidan Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 7/1 2:15pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Darth-Ghost posted: You do have a cool theory, but that wasn't flow-walking. Lumiya was using the dark energies of the asteroid to talk with an illusion, of the kind of Sith Lord she would like Jacen to become, basically talking to herself. And it never said it looked 5-10 years older, either. It was an older version of Jacen... and it doesn't say that she summoned it. Frankly, Lumiya is unaware of Flow-Walking, therefore the future Jacen could just be letting her think he's a force ghost -----signature----- You sadistic Yank!! - McEwok http://www.TheExpandedUniverse.com Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul
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Darth-Ghost Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 7/1 2:28pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/1 2:32pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
	Kidan posted: Darth-Ghost posted: You do have a cool theory, but that wasn't flow-walking. Lumiya was using the dark energies of the asteroid to talk with an illusion, of the kind of Sith Lord she would like Jacen to become, basically talking to herself. And it never said it looked 5-10 years older, either. It was an older version of Jacen... and it doesn't say that she summoned it. Frankly, Lumiya is unaware of Flow-Walking, therefore the future Jacen could just be letting her think he's a force ghost No, it wasn't an older version of him, and it does say she summoned it. Tired, drained, jubilant, Lumiya returned to the living chamber at the top of her habitat. She lay on a couch there and stared up through the scratched transparisteel dome at the stars. "I've won," she said. Jacen -dark garbed, a gold and black lightsaber hilt at his belt, the pupils of his eyes golden orange- moved out from a shadowy nook and turned to face her. His mouth did not move, but his words carried to Lumiya's mind. And so I must go. Become nothingness. "You were always nothingness. You're a projection- dark side energy from the caverns, shaped by my imagination and Jacen Solo's form. But you'll be back. But by bit, Jacen Solo will become you." And at last I will have a name. A Sith name. "Yes." [...] The false Jacen nodded, then slowly, without evident distress, faded to nothingness.
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Darth-Ghost Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 7/1 2:30pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/1 2:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
	I hate it when I click quote instead of edit...
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