Kidan posted:but note that he just walked out of the shadows and the dialog could just as easily be construed as Lumiya assuming that he's one of her projections
Darth-Ghost posted: I think you're reaching there. It's quite clear that Lumiya created him. Besides, Aaron Allston said it was just another phantom in his interview on the OS. I remember reading the spoilers for BETRAYAL, somebody said that Jacen was flow-walking at the end. Then everyone got the books and realized he wasn't, but it was already stuck in everyone's mind by then. Whenever this comes up, I take the time to requote that passage, he clearly wasn't flow-walking.
YodaKenobi posted:Great theory, Kidan. I'm going to have to mull that one over for awhile Seems to work really well on the face of things to explain the "impostors."
Kidan posted:Darth-Ghost posted: I think you're reaching there. It's quite clear that Lumiya created him. Besides, Aaron Allston said it was just another phantom in his interview on the OS. I remember reading the spoilers for BETRAYAL, somebody said that Jacen was flow-walking at the end. Then everyone got the books and realized he wasn't, but it was already stuck in everyone's mind by then. Whenever this comes up, I take the time to requote that passage, he clearly wasn't flow-walking. that's possible I'm reaching for the Jacen angle, but there's nothing stopping the fundamental aspects of what I'm saying. The mental breakdown could be the Force trying to reassert itself against the Flow due to someone flow-walking...
Kidan posted:YodaKenobi posted:Great theory, Kidan. I'm going to have to mull that one over for awhile Seems to work really well on the face of things to explain the "impostors." I try Though I do have a few questions that needs pondering.... 1) why exactly are Luke & Ben continuing their little journey of "follow-Jacen" since Ben knows that the Jacen who visited the Aing-Tii was already on the path to the dark side, though he was not dark yet 2) Since when have lightsabers been able to pin things to walls? Page 173, she pins the nexu to the wall, and it hangs there on her lightsaber blade that cuts through basically anything, until she turns off her blade 3) I'm still wondering why no one seems to remember the Daala that tried her best to kill thousands of people... the Daala that did kill all of the squabbling warlords in order to take command of the remnant...
Kidan posted: 2) Since when have lightsabers been able to pin things to walls? Page 173, she pins the nexu to the wall, and it hangs there on her lightsaber blade that cuts through basically anything, until she turns off her blade
Darth_Monopoly posted:And now for my new Mass Effect inspired theory: Not exactly a new idea, but playing through Mass Effect it makes more sense then it did before. Jacen = Saren Obviously in actions, and not in the fact that Saren is an alien. For those who do not know, Saren is the villain in Mass Effect. Although he was not always a bad guy (debatable, he hated humans), at the end of Mass Effect: Revelations he discovered an alien artifact. This artifact turned out to be a Reaper, one of the massive machine-like things that come to exterminate the galaxy. The thing pretty much affects Saren's thinking and causes him to become irrational and try to take over the galaxy to prepare for the return of the Reapers. So maybe that's where they are going with Jacen. He discovers something in the Maw, something big and terrible, and then it corrupts him and he tries to go and "fix" the galaxy to prepare the coming of the big villains. Yeah, I know, a big bit of a stretch, but hey, I like my crazy theory.
Dawud786 posted:Stang, you don't even have to look to Mass Effect for that one. You can just look to KOTOR I & II. If this is the way they are going with Jacen, then Jacen just pulled a Revan. "I became Sith to prepare you for the real bad guys!" "I became Sith to prepare you for the TRUE SITH SCAAAAARY!"
Hendo255 posted:Dawud786 posted:Stang, you don't even have to look to Mass Effect for that one. You can just look to KOTOR I & II. If this is the way they are going with Jacen, then Jacen just pulled a Revan. "I became Sith to prepare you for the real bad guys!" "I became Sith to prepare you for the TRUE SITH SCAAAAARY!" lol yea, that's like one of my theories and finally... Damn… just when I thought I was done with my theories for the day this popped into my mind… while I still believe that he was merely a slave to his powers and that caused his fall (ie: seeing the future so easily) I wouldn’t be TOTALLY shocked if when Jacen went to the Maw, he found the Celestial’s enemies, thus discovering a new hidden threat that he felt he would have to protect the Galaxy from in the eventuality of their escape(which he also saw happening in the future)... and much like with Anakin Skywalker, he didn’t realize that it was his actions that were going to cause what he wanted to stop from happening. ie: if he never became a Sith, Centerpoint would still be there and the jail break wouldn’t be possible… bam… yet another simple way to link LotF to FotJ The writers know that we all love Revan so it wouldn’t surprise me if they stole his mojo in an attempt to make a more complex explanation for Jacen becoming a Sith and try redeeming his fall in our eyes a bit… and I just remembered something that nobody has mentioned. (that I've noticed since I finished the book at least) Who do you guys think it was that Ship sensed that was strong enough in the dark side for him to actually abandon the Tribe and go searchign for him after being with them for 2 years? (go go Jacen is still alive theories!)