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S1thari Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 7/5 5:55pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I wondered the same thing
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Darth-Stoic Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 7/5 5:56pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	sorry for the childish language... Ill take a guess and say they dont take to kindly of it? -----signature----- I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons. It all exists, even if it's in your mind. Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 7/5 6:08pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	It's nothing we haven't heard before but, no, this is a clean language forum. Kids and such. Technically the board shouldn't have even posted the word. The mods would probably never rest if the filters didn't catch that stuff. -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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JediMatteus Registered: Sep '08	Date Posted: 7/6 9:11pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	i think Ben is a great character. i hope he can be a luke 2.0 type. because there is not one unless allana takes after him -----signature----- "Every generation has its challenges to face, its own battles to win. Why should yours be any different? Running away from your responsibilities won't solve anything." -Luke Skywalker
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JacenSolo26 Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 7/7 9:46am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Hey fellow Force fans! I'm new here, but I just recently reread Omen and have some thoughts to share on it. I'm still stumped as to just what rating to give to Omen, the newest installment of the Fate of the Jedi series and author Christie Golden's first foray into the world of the Expanded Universe. I'll have my rating figured out by the end of this "e-review" I'm writing for you. I will say that I enjoyed the book. If Karen Traviss had been authoring this book (and this series) as was originally planned, well, we both know what would have happened. Golden, however, for the most part rises to the occasion magnificently. She employs continuity in ways that work into the actual plot and do not seem obligatory and forced, as so often happens in the EU. For instance, a considerable amount of time is spent detailing Jorj Car'das's visit to the Aing-Tii Monks (as accounted for in Vision of the Future) and why the Aing-Tii were willing to teach Jacen Solo when he sought them out following the Yuuzhan Vong War. Other great continuity instances include the time Ben Skywalker spent on Ziost in Exile; how he was challenged with the temptations of the dark side yet chose not to succumb to them. There was a moment when Luke talked to Ben about his Jedi training under Yoda and some of the lessons he learned there; it was not shunted into the narrative, and though Ben already knew the story, it had real relevance to the matters at hand. There were, of course, some continuity issues. Ben suddenly seems to have green eyes. I was pretty sure he had his father's eyes and his mother's hair. There's also a moment when Jysella Horn, upon approaching the Jedi Temple, feels nostalgic for the old Jedi Temple, the one that was destroyed by the Yuuzhan Vong during the seeding of Yuuzhan'tar, when Jysella was simply too young to have known of that. I also wish the book was a little longer; 236 pages isn't much, and I'm hoping Abyss will more than make up for it. Jaina and Leia may soon be elevated to the rank of Jedi Master. I like that idea, especially of Leia: she has demonstrated considerable Force strength, which has been growing especially so since she trained under Master Sebatyne. And, well, she's a Skywalker. She has more than earned her dues. She fought alongside the Jedi during the Yuuzhan Vong War, using her own lightsaber to boot. Besides ... Luke and Leia, both Jedi Masters. Would Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin be proud? As for our Sword of the Jedi, she had quite the exciting book as well ... and is finally engaged to Jagged Fel! The Moffs aren't too happy about this and are already scheming to get rid of him. I guess that's life in the Imperial Remnant ... or actually, it's Galactic Empire again now. The Moffs, of course, feel that Jaina is using her mind tricks on him and hopes for the Jedi to control, or overthrow even, the Empire. Tahiri Veila's arc is taking an interesting shape as she slowly realizes redemption is for her, and that the Jedi Order is where her heart is. Worried what the others may think of her, she is coming around and realizing that perhaps the only one who thinks of her like that is herself. Darth Caedus used her; she knows that now. I'm still not sure what her motivation was there, but now, having read The New Jedi Order, I think it possible this may have been the more aggressive side of Tahiri's dual personality, the Yuuzhan Vong alter-ego Riina Kwaad, manifesting itself. In the final scene of the novel, Tahiri opens her door and finds herself under arrest for the murder of Gilad Pellaeon. Daala is pulling out the big guns. Come to think of it, Tahiri was arrested for complicity in the murder, but it was she who pulled the trigger. This makes her guilty of the actual murder itself regardless of who her accomplice was, wouldn't it? In our justice system, it would be Darth Caedus with the first degree murder charge on that one, while Tahiri would probably get a slightly lesser offense. But then, justice in the GFFA has never really been all that.
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The_Flargg Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 7/7 10:27am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	McEwok posted: Robimus posted: Am I to be sorry that her actions with Pellaeon and Shevu invoked an emotional reaction from me? That her actions made me hate her character? No, thats the point of the storytelling...........isn't it? No, I don't think it is. What would "the point" of storytelling be, then? I argue there is no single "point," but rather a collection of elements that makes things work, emotional reaction being cardinal among them, especially in pulpier works like Star Wars. It's not Kafka or Joyce or Shakespeare, meant to be analyzed for some higher literary purpose--and all THOSE prompt emotional as well. You're SUPPOSED to hate and love characters in stories. It's not "the point" in entirety, but nothing is. -----signature----- "If yousa strike meesa down, meesa gonna become more annoying than you could possibly be imaginin'!" - Jar-Jar --The real reason for Anakin's turn to the Dark Side.
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Beej Registered: Jun '09	Date Posted: 7/7 11:32am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I whole heartedly agree with Robimus. What is happening in FotJ is entirely plausible and reasonable and frankly long over due in regards to the Jedi. We all love them and place them on a pedastal. But they're not above the law. Kyp fragged a heavily populated star system....peroid. You don't pass go, you don't collect 200 credits. You go to jail cell. If I set off a suitcase nuke and took out a city while I was temperarily insane, I would be locked away somewhere for hte rest of my life. Tahari assassinated Peallon, the head of the Remnant. He wasn't a Sith or a power mad Moff. He was a good man and everyone knew it. You don't get to murder popular heads of state, especially when you're a dark sider or working for a dark sider. Fett killing Thraken....well no one is going to miss him, probably not even most of the Corellians. And Fett is The Mandalore, rule of all Mandalorians. Assuming Daala or the Confederacy wanted to go after him, they would think long an hard before doing so. The collateral damage the Mandalorians would cause on anyone who went after Fett probably would outweight the desire to arrest Fett. Ben being part of the Gejjen assassition...that is a little bit of a grey area. It depends on what evidence is available. One can argue that killing the Head of State of a nation you're at war with can be considered lawful given the right circumstances. You can't apply this to what Tahari did because the Remnant was not at war with the GA when she killed Gillad. As for what is coming, I'm interested to see what will happen. I can't wait for Jag to drop the hammer on the Moffs. Something along the lines of "Gentlemen, you can sign this piece of paper making me emperor...or your successors will."
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JacenSolo26 Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 7/7 1:22pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Beej posted: Fett killing Thraken....well no one is going to miss him, probably not even most of the Corellians. And Fett is The Mandalore, rule of all Mandalorians. Assuming Daala or the Confederacy wanted to go after him, they would think long an hard before doing so. The collateral damage the Mandalorians would cause on anyone who went after Fett probably would outweight the desire to arrest Fett. I don't recall the specifics, but wasn't Han an accessory in Thrackan's murder?
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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/7 2:17pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/7 2:17pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Robimus
	I find the idea of Ben being called to task is interesting because it would be complex. Yes, Ben killed some prominate people, if the truth about Gejjen ever comes out and the Omas death gets spin from a lawyer. But adding to the complexity is that Ben was a child at the time, maybe even enough to be considered a child soldier in some way. The GA would be in some ways complicit in at least the Gejjen crime being that it was a GA sanctioned assassination. -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you? . http://www.cccomiccon.com http://www.actionfigurenews.ca
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canadianjedimama Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 7/7 4:47pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Robimus posted: I find the idea of Ben being called to task is interesting because it would be complex. Yes, Ben killed some prominate people, if the truth about Gejjen ever comes out and the Omas death gets spin from a lawyer. But adding to the complexity is that Ben was a child at the time, maybe even enough to be considered a child soldier in some way. The GA would be in some ways complicit in at least the Gejjen crime being that it was a GA sanctioned assassination. See there's that assassination word again. Everyone in freakin' LOTF was an assassin. EVERYONE. Seriously, the series should have been called 'Assassins of the Force'. I just find it crazy that Tahiri alone is being called to task on the GA/Jedi side of things (Luke aside). Tahiri was at least following orders of a legally installed head of state when she offed Pealleon. Jaina was dispatched by the Jedi Order to assinate the Co-Cheif of State of the Gallactic Alliance. She even refers to herself in her own internal monologue as an assassin during Invincible when she lands on Nickel One! Which leads into, I think, Daala's point. ( I can't believe that I'm slightly agreeing with Daala!) I don't think anyone minds that Caedus is dead. Daala's point is that Jedi took it upon themselves to do so, without offical sanction. You can't call yourselves an agent of the government and yet operate outside of it. She was right, somebody has to take responsibility. Theorectically, Luke did that when he accepted his exile. So why arrest Tahiri now? Wasn't it Kyp the Imps filed an extradition order on? What happened with that? Isn't the death of an entire planet's populace a little more punishable than the death of one man, no matter what his station. But hey, it's not like the people of Carida haven't waited 20 odd years for justice, what's a bit more? And really, shouldn't it be Imperial troops who show up to arrest her? Now obviously, I don't know what happens in Abyss. I just really hope that Denning takes all the little threads by Allston and Golden and weaves them into something really cool. Because if all that results from this is that everyone feels that the Jedi Order is being punished by arresting an ex-Jedi bounty hunter who technically hasn't done anything wrong... well, that's silly. CJM -----signature----- Team Jag I may not always love the canon, but it amuses me so I read. Sara -- Told you so!
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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/7 9:04pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Always nice to see you stop in CJM I think Tahiri is probably the only person available for Daala to lash out at come the end on Omen. Daala is on the defensive at this point. Everything has kinda started to slide. She lost her observers, she couldn't pry Seff and the Bothan from the Jedi. She was looking to make a splash and Tahiri was her only target. Some theories about Daala have been getting tossed around here lately as well if your interested. I will take odds with you about Tahiri "technically" doing nothing wrong. Even if Pellaeon's death was somekind of legal act of war, strapping Lon Shevu to a table and torturing him for information until he died was not. That said I don't think observers killing allied commanders during a war falls on the legal side, especially in a pre-planned coup attempt against the legitimate head of state of the Empire. I think Nawara Ven is going to be a busy guy. -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you? . http://www.cccomiccon.com http://www.actionfigurenews.ca
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JediMatteus Registered: Sep '08	Date Posted: 7/7 9:39pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Jysella was probably what 7 back during the vong war, she could be nostalgic for the old temple. it would have been small, meaningless things maybe that she missed, but it is reasonable -----signature----- "Every generation has its challenges to face, its own battles to win. Why should yours be any different? Running away from your responsibilities won't solve anything." -Luke Skywalker
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 7/7 11:31pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/7 11:43pm (2 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	Finished this earlier this evening. Really fun read- and quick one, too, which (in my backlogged reading material state) I quite liked. Nothing felt extraneous, there was a good pace balancing the 3 main plotlines. A fantastic debut for Golden. Her style also fits much better with Allston and Denning's, whereas going from Allston's to the denser style of Traviss required a bit of an adjustment in LOTF, so I think this series will flow together more smoothly at least on that account. Though, I have to wonder about the portrayal of the media in the book- it makes it seem like every journalist on Coruscant is either a tabloid journalist or a Fox News correspondent. Surely there's some respectable news reporters out there in the GFFA who wouldn't automatically inspire outright disgust in our heroes? I also admit it only struck me now that Ship is the shape of the Sith logo. Albeit a Sith logo with the powers of an evil Trimaxian Drone Ship ::Pee-Wee laugh::. The excerpt for the next book was also insightful and the likely explaination of the Maw being at the source of the insanity problem is an intriguing connection to NJO that could make a lot of sense. Also, while I hated, hated, hated, Outcast's cover art, the one for Omen has grown on me. It definitely has to be the color scheme or something, but it's actually kind of sharp. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Xavior Registered: Feb '08	Date Posted: 7/8 3:08am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I thought the book was good, i agree i wish it had been around another 100 pages. Hither to are some random thoughts I have: Im calling it right now---- Vestra is to Ben, what Mara was to Luke. They only seem to be a couple years apart in age and she just seems to have that Mara about her. Would love to see to her character become high profile in the SW universe. While im at it, I should mention im still a bit peeved they killed Mara off, she was one of the best SW Characters of ALL time. Could the Mind Drinker be the villian from Shadows of Mindor, didnt he get chased off into the Maw also? Um is anyone in the senate ever gonna point out that Dalaa is a war criminal? You cant come after Kyp Durron as one if your not gonna charge her too. (I know it was a proposal from the imperials but still) Lost Tribe, One Sith, um showdown? Obviously the One Sith rule in the future, atleast according to the crappy Legacy Comics. (come on really, Cade is a waste of Skywalker DNA) And no offense to Mando's, but god it was nice not having book two shift right into the Gods of Mando the way the Legacy of the Force series did.
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S1thari Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 7/8 3:45am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 3:49am (2 edits total) Edited By: S1thari
	Xavior posted: Could the Mind Drinker be the villian from Shadows of Mindor, didnt he get chased off into the Maw also? Actually, I think they were called Mind Drinkers / Mind Walkers. Both were plural, suggesting there's more than one. It would be awesome if Cronal did show up sometime in FOTJ, I agree. He'd be pretty darn old, though, since he could barely stand in SoM. Unless he transferred his consciousness into a different body before he "disintegrated"...
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