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Master_Jedi_LS  169 posts
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Date Posted: 7/8 5:50am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 5:50am (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Jedi_LS
Ship and the Dark Side presence in the Maw, it occurred to me after reading Omen. At the end of the book where the Lost Sith Tribe feel the strong wave of Dark Side energy they described it as it feeling like a calling and just wanting to be where ever it was. Then they felt Ship’s excitement as if he knew who was calling him…. What if the being in the Maw is Ship’s old Master…....

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 8:17am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 12:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
Another small bit I loved was "May the Force be with you." "It is with everyone always."

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 9:26am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 9:27am (1 edits total) Edited By: FireJade
What do you all think of the Abyss preview? Some speculation here.

I think at this point it should be clear that Jedi are going to keep going insane, and to me, the preview seemed to imply that Barv is next. However, another nutcase along the lines of the Horns/Natua/Seff seems a bit extraneous, so I wonder if Barv will act differently because of his nature. So far, it hasn't quite been Jedi going crazy as it has been that they perceive everyone else differently. And the title Abyss suggests that something will go drastically wrong, and will not be resolved at the end of the book. Aside from character deaths, which have already been discussed to death (unintended pun?) on this forum, there's also the matter of Allana, whom Barv is taking care of...

I doubt they would kill another kid like Allana. Instead, maybe Barv kidnaps Allana, and the Solos end up returning to find only a confused Artoo and a dead nexu. We don't know what skills Barv will learn. If Barv is only interested in escaping, it would be convenient for Barv to have the Fallanassi skill of hiding, perhaps, which would be why Artoo had no idea what happened to him. (In most of the cases so far, we've learned about the ability in the same book that someone with Force Psychosis mysteriously gains it. Luke and Ben aren't going to the Maw to learn new techniques, so presumably it's something we've seen before, like the Fallanassi hiding/illusion-creating technique or the ability to move objects from the Aing-Tii.) It would be a change of pace, because Barv would be the first case that isn't really a public threat. A difference perhaps due to Barv's more kind nature?

Alternatively, Allana could also go insane from her encounter with the thing in the Maw. But this seems less likely. But if Allana gets "Force psychosis," this could also be a potential bomb to drop in Abyss: the Solos chase after Barv, and when they catch up to him, Allana refuses to go to them because she believes they're imposters (and this would be a surprise because we would only see her with Barv).

My money's definitely on Allana for giving Abyss its title. It wouldn't be another character death, and it wouldn't be particularly expected (unlike Daala's death or something similar). Plus, if Han and Leia can spend a whole book going to the zoo, they can certainly spend a whole book chasing Allana and Barv around Coruscant...

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 9:28am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 9:41am (1 edits total) Edited By: Hendo255
canadianjedimama posted:

I just find it crazy that Tahiri alone is being called to task on the GA/Jedi side of things (Luke aside). Tahiri was at least following orders of a legally installed head of state when she offed Pealleon. Jaina was dispatched by the Jedi Order to assinate the Co-Cheif of State of the Gallactic Alliance. She even refers to herself in her own internal monologue as an assassin during Invincible when she lands on Nickel One!

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So why arrest Tahiri now? Wasn't it Kyp the Imps filed an extradition order on? What happened with that? Isn't the death of an entire planet's populace a little more punishable than the death of one man, no matter what his station. But hey, it's not like the people of Carida haven't waited 20 odd years for justice, what's a bit more?

And really, shouldn't it be Imperial troops who show up to arrest her? confused

Now obviously, I don't know what happens in Abyss. I just really hope that Denning takes all the little threads by Allston and Golden and weaves them into something really cool. praying Because if all that results from this is that everyone feels that the Jedi Order is being punished by arresting an ex-Jedi bounty hunter who technically hasn't done anything wrong... well, that's silly.
peace CJM

if you ask me, Dalla is just doing it for the sake of avenging the guy who got her where she currently is. She respected Gilad so much and now the only other person she ever looked up to is dead. If she was the head of the Imperial Remenant instead of Jag she'd probably try to do the same thing but instead, try to have Luke arrested for blowing up the Death Star and thus "murdering" Tarkin... It's a spite thing. No more, no less.
Not to mention she's probably pretty damn mad that Tahiri beat the lawsuit and was able to lose her observer. Something which eventually led to the whole concept being thrown out by the courts.


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canadianjedimama  1771 posts
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Date Posted: 7/8 9:44am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Robimus posted:
Always nice to see you stop in CJM happy


Hey Rob. happy Happy Belated Canada Day!

Robimus posted:
I think Tahiri is probably the only person available for Daala to lash out at come the end on Omen. Daala is on the defensive at this point. Everything has kinda started to slide. She lost her observers, she couldn't pry Seff and the Bothan from the Jedi. She was looking to make a splash and Tahiri was her only target.


I'd agree that like any politician Daala needs to be seen doing something. But I'd argue that if she was looking for a splash, Jaina Solo would have been a far better cannonball. peace

*shrugs* Also would have provided some real political tension as well, but hey... what the heck do I know. wink

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I will take odds with you about Tahiri "technically" doing nothing wrong. Even if Pellaeon's death was somekind of legal act of war, strapping Lon Shevu to a table and torturing him for information until he died was not.

That said I don't think observers killing allied commanders during a war falls on the legal side, especially in a pre-planned coup attempt against the legitimate head of state of the Empire. wink


*cough* Ben Skywalker *cough* grin

Even in absentia, that'd make a pretty big splash too.

And really, that was my whole beef. There are bigger fish to fry. Why go for the guppy? confused

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I think Nawara Ven is going to be a busy guy. happy


I'll agree with you there. dancing Can't wait to see more of him.

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Date Posted: 7/8 10:05am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 10:10am (2 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
Hendo255 posted:
maybe they're striving for realism?
7 US troops died in Afghanistan just the other day. China is having massive riots. North Korea flips the US the nuclear finger. The jury is still out on Iranian elections. And yet Michael Jackson has been on the news 24/7 for the past week


I'm not talking about the actual media subjects- if Jedi are going nuts and causing mass panic and deaths at an exotic zoo in the galactic capital, of course it's going to be the top story. I mean more in terms of the reporter's personality, perception and exploitative intentions. Every time the media or a media rep is brought up or appears, it's always our heroes' first reaction to go "those karking reporters!", "damn media!", "journalistic scum!", etc.

Not every reporter or media personality is going to be a Geraldo Rivera, Sean Hannity or the papparazi- surely there are reporters and correspondants not out to demonize the Jedi and are people our heroes actually like? Where are the Brian Williams or Anderson Coopers of the GFFA? It's been decades since we last saw Den Dhur or Cindel Towani- where are reporters like them?

 

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killfire  1824 posts
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Date Posted: 7/8 10:07am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
FireJade posted:
What do you all think of the Abyss preview? Some speculation here.

I think at this point it should be clear that Jedi are going to keep going insane, and to me, the preview seemed to imply that Barv is next. However, another nutcase along the lines of the Horns/Natua/Seff seems a bit extraneous, so I wonder if Barv will act differently because of his nature. So far, it hasn't quite been Jedi going crazy as it has been that they perceive everyone else differently. And the title Abyss suggests that something will go drastically wrong, and will not be resolved at the end of the book. Aside from character deaths, which have already been discussed to death (unintended pun?) on this forum, there's also the matter of Allana, whom Barv is taking care of...

I doubt they would kill another kid like Allana. Instead, maybe Barv kidnaps Allana, and the Solos end up returning to find only a confused Artoo and a dead nexu. We don't know what skills Barv will learn. If Barv is only interested in escaping, it would be convenient for Barv to have the Fallanassi skill of hiding, perhaps, which would be why Artoo had no idea what happened to him. (In most of the cases so far, we've learned about the ability in the same book that someone with Force Psychosis mysteriously gains it. Luke and Ben aren't going to the Maw to learn new techniques, so presumably it's something we've seen before, like the Fallanassi hiding/illusion-creating technique or the ability to move objects from the Aing-Tii.) It would be a change of pace, because Barv would be the first case that isn't really a public threat. A difference perhaps due to Barv's more kind nature?

Alternatively, Allana could also go insane from her encounter with the thing in the Maw. But this seems less likely. But if Allana gets "Force psychosis," this could also be a potential bomb to drop in Abyss: the Solos chase after Barv, and when they catch up to him, Allana refuses to go to them because she believes they're imposters (and this would be a surprise because we would only see her with Barv).

My money's definitely on Allana for giving Abyss its title. It wouldn't be another character death, and it wouldn't be particularly expected (unlike Daala's death or something similar). Plus, if Han and Leia can spend a whole book going to the zoo, they can certainly spend a whole book chasing Allana and Barv around Coruscant...


I don't know. I bought Outcast because I usually like Allston's books, and I bought Omen to give Golden a fair chance. The writing is ok in both books so far, but the plot is too slow for my taste. I don't need another galactic conflict, but a little space action wouldn't hurt. I mean it's Star Wars, not medieval knights. So, unless something happens I won't buy Abyss. Assuming I'm not the only one going by this ratio, something is going to happen. I expect a big death.

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 10:13am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
killfire posted:
I don't know. I bought Outcast because I usually like Allston's books, and I bought Omen to give Golden a fair chance. The writing is ok in both books so far, but the plot is too slow for my taste. I don't need another galactic conflict, but a little space action wouldn't hurt. I mean it's Star Wars, not medieval knights. So, unless something happens I won't buy Abyss. Assuming I'm not the only one going by this ratio, something is going to happen. I expect a big death.
So you want a death in Abyss just to "spice things up"? I don't think I would agree with that, but maybe that's just me. I don't want another character death, simply because there are other ways to make an impact.

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 10:33am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
The2ndQuest posted:
Hendo255 posted:
maybe they're striving for realism?
7 US troops died in Afghanistan just the other day. China is having massive riots. North Korea flips the US the nuclear finger. The jury is still out on Iranian elections. And yet Michael Jackson has been on the news 24/7 for the past week


I'm not talking about the actual media subjects- if Jedi are going nuts and causing mass panic and deaths at an exotic zoo in the galactic capital, of course it's going to be the top story. I mean more in terms of the reporter's personality, perception and exploitative intentions. Every time the media or a media rep is brought up or appears, it's always our heroes' first reaction to go "those karking reporters!", "damn media!", "journalistic scum!", etc.

Not every reporter or media personality is going to be a Geraldo Rivera, Sean Hannity or the papparazi- surely there are reporters and correspondants not out to demonize the Jedi and are people our heroes actually like? Where are the Brian Williams or Anderson Coopers of the GFFA? It's been decades since we last saw Den Dhur or Cindel Towani- where are reporters like them?


true true. So instead I'll go with the Spiderman theory. For the sake of selling papers, he has constantly been beaten down by the press so many times for doing the right thing. Sure, there will be reporters who want to cover him fairly. However, there always seems to be that JJ Jameson higher up who only wants to drive him down. "The only thing anyone loves more than a hero is seeing a hero fall" (or fail, can't remember)

At the same time, I'm sure that there must be some reporters on the Jedi's side. I mean this is a galaxy of trillions of sentient beings. However, seeing as the series is called Fate of the Jedi, things need to look ominous so that's the only aspect we're seeing. After all, when a book is so short, we can't see EVERYTHING lol (much like how we don't see Luke and Leia talking during the exile. and I'm sure they must have at least light contact)

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 10:52am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/12 10:06am (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogue_Follower
FireJade posted:
killfire posted:
I don't know. I bought Outcast because I usually like Allston's books, and I bought Omen to give Golden a fair chance. The writing is ok in both books so far, but the plot is too slow for my taste. I don't need another galactic conflict, but a little space action wouldn't hurt. I mean it's Star Wars, not medieval knights. So, unless something happens I won't buy Abyss. Assuming I'm not the only one going by this ratio, something is going to happen. I expect a big death.
So you want a death in Abyss just to "spice things up"? I don't think I would agree with that, but maybe that's just me. I don't want another character death, simply because there are other ways to make an impact.


I don't want a death to "spice things up" but that is what I assume is going to happen.

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Date Posted: 7/8 10:57am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
I'm not saying we necessarily need to see those other reporters- I understand if they want to focus on the "JJJ" guy, especially if he's going to be worked into the Moff conspiracy. I guess it just bothers me to have the Jedi outright demonizing the whole profession as an instant gut reaction, when these other reporters are obviously out there. It's like the Jedi think higher of mercenaries and bounty hunters than the reporters of a free press.

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 12:18pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

CJM posted:
I'd agree that like any politician Daala needs to be seen doing something. But I'd argue that if she was looking for a splash, Jaina Solo would have been a far better cannonball. peace

But unless Daala can prove something with the Darkmeld thing they don't have much to take Jaina to trial for. Wouldn't it be even more silly to have Luke exiled for failing to control/act in reguards to Jacen Solo only to turn around and charge Jaina for acting to bring him down?

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*cough* Ben Skywalker *cough* grin

I think I almost view Ben's actions as officially retconed at this point. I don't know why the writers have glossed it over.

But even then Tahiri is still a big fish, Jacen Solo's apprentice and all. There are others of course that could be charged as well(Fett, Lecersen) but they all fall within Daala's camp so I don't think we'll see that happening. wink

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 1:08pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
Okay, I think the idea of Allana going crazy would be awesome. Because from how the last two books have gone, then this would lead to Daala wanting to place her in carbonite.

And all hell will break loose. Jaina will call in more extreme favors from Jag. Leia will say 'screw this i'm a skywalker, time to go badass on Daala.' Tenel Ka will blow the cover and bring about a war.

And we get more awesomeness than you can shake a stick at.

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 1:09pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
I enjoyed the book, but did anyone else think the Lost Tribe wasn't Sith enough? A bunch of Sith crash on an inhabited planet, and for 5000 years they all sit around in a nice friendly council? No mention of ancient wars between rival sith, no plotting and intrigue for the High Lord position, no lashing out at underlings, not even a lone Sith trying to steal Ship for their own purposes. There should have been something like that somewhere in the story. Otherwise how do we know they're evil? As it stands now, the history of Kesh seems to reinforce the Sith belief that the Jedi are the true obstacles to peace.

And even if the Sith did turn the native population into secondary citizens, there was no use of fear to keep them in line? The locals just willingly obeyed. The planet seemed more like 19th century Britain, and less like what a planet ruled by devotees of the dark side for 5000 years should be.

 

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Date Posted: 7/8 2:03pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
CJM:
And really, that was my whole beef. There are bigger fish to fry. Why go for the guppy?

It must be easier to get a conviction for Tahiri than for Ben. I mean, Ben was a child acting under the orders of the legitimate head of state at the time he committed his crimes. Tahiri was an adult. It might make bigger waves to indict Ben, but ultimately, Daala would just look silly after the defense won Ben's case. Think of the picture they could paint: a child brainwashed by a Sith that the galaxy allowed to take control of the government, who only managed to escape after said Sith murdered his mother, and now the new head of state is trying to cause him additional pain instead of helping him overcome the trauma that her predecessor caused. Daala needs an easy win after the court's overturning of her Jedi observer plan and her loss of two crazy Jedi, and Ben isn't it.


Hendo:
much like how we don't see Luke and Leia talking during the exile. and I'm sure they must have at least light contact

Except, they haven't. At the animal exhibition, Jaina asked Leia how Luke is doing, and she refers to things Cilghal has told her...not to first hand conversations she has had with Luke. This doesn't seem like Luke to me, but someone in SOS thinks he might be trying to spare the Solos any trouble from Daala, lest she accuse Luke of advising the Jedi through Leia.


Kebis:
I enjoyed the book, but did anyone else think the Lost Tribe wasn't Sith enough?

Yes. They're no Palpatine, certainly. In fact, they were almost cuddly before they started hijacking ships. Philosophies are going to change drastically in 5000 years, and much of history will be forgotten, so it doesn't bother me that they don't act like traditional Sith. They needed their civilization to survive, and classical Sith dogma doesn't exactly encourage that. I'm sure they were more ruthless when the first bunch of them arrived on that planet, but then they changed due to necessity over the centuries, and their descendants have forgotten all but the basics of their past. However, I think they could still be a threat to the Jedi simply from their numbers.

I think part of the problem is that we didn't get to see them being evil, we were only told about it. I doubt those ships they captured were armed military vessels.

 

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