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max-attac Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 7/8 2:32pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	On Wookieepedia, Kiara Oldivan is mentionned in Omen. She become a Jedi apprentice ??
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Beej Registered: Jun '09	Date Posted: 7/8 2:56pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 2:58pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Beej
	I would love to see Daala put Luke on trial for blowing up 1st Death Star and for being the accomplice in the death...uh deaths of Emperor Palpatine. The jury would cry "Not guilty!" before openning arguements could even start. I don't think Allana will be affected by whatever is happening to the Jedi. I'm betting that only jedi who had spent spent time in the Maw will be affected. If you notice, only Jedi who were young and were in hiding during the Vong War are going nuts. They had a hideout there before Eclipse was built. I can't wait for the Tribe to run into Luke and Ben. I can see Luke going "Oh aren't you just adroable on your little robes! I didn't know know it was Halloween already." Mara if she were still alive would scare the pants off them. Can you imagine one of them telling Palpatine they were Sith? He'd laugh so hard he'd burst his stomach and require a new clone body. As for Han being Fett's complice in Thraken's death....I don't see a jury convicting because of sheer star power. Tahrai though...oh I can't wait to see her mope about in her jail cell. I'm probably completely wrong, but I want to believe Jag was the one who tipped off that report to the crazed Jedi hidden in the Temple. I picture Jag slowly setting up Daala and Moffs to do something stupid and then he'll drop the hammer. Wishful thinking on my part be..eh.
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Lord_Hydronium Title: Literature Gardener Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 7/8 2:59pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Kebis posted: I enjoyed the book, but did anyone else think the Lost Tribe wasn't Sith enough? I think with all the Sith we've had recently, it's nice to have something different. Before Precipice I was afraid we would just be getting another evil, scheming, plotting Sith group like nearly every single other one; the fact that it's much more a cultural aspect is a welcome relief. I suspect a lot of the hierarchical structure, use of nobility, obsession with perfection, and so on stemmed from the Tapani influence. -----signature----- Great midis have little midis Swimming round inside 'em And little midis have lesser midis And so ad infinitum.
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JacenSolo26 Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 7/8 3:53pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 4:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	Im calling it right now---- Vestra is to Ben, what Mara was to Luke. They only seem to be a couple years apart in age and she just seems to have that Mara about her. Would love to see to her character become high profile in the SW universe. While im at it, I should mention im still a bit peeved they killed Mara off, she was one of the best SW Characters of ALL time. Actually, Vestara is the same age as Ben: the Lost Tribe sections of the book were set "two years ago." I agree with you, and I have a feeling Vestara is going to become a very prominent character in the Star Wars universe. As for Mara, I sure miss her, too. But if I understand correctly, we'll be seeing her Force ghost in Abyss. On Wookieepedia, Kiara Oldivan is mentionned in Omen. She become a Jedi apprentice ?? No; she is simply mentioned in Ben's POV of his memories of Ziost. It'd be interesting if they somehow brought her back, though. Did anyone else hope Dab would make another appearance?
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FireJade Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 7/8 4:14pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I'd like to see Dab be a "good" person connected to the media. Doesn't he make documentaries or something? -----signature----- Luke: Still, I think I make a pretty good Luke Skywalker. Mara: Of course you do. Luke: So before you began impersonating Mara, what was your real hair color? Mara: Farmboy, you're asking for a beating... --- LotF: Betrayal by Aaron Allston (2006), p. 228
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 7/8 5:37pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	JacenSolo26 posted: [i]Im calling it right now---- Vestra is to Ben, what Mara was to Luke. I do hope not. I'd like a truly formidable Sith to kick Ben's ass around for a while. I'd rather her be Cat Woman to Ben's Batman than anything else. And even that's a comparison I don't much like. Honestly, I think I'd like it best if Vestra thought nothing of Ben. That would show him. -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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kttch809 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/8 7:00pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 7:01pm (1 edits total) Edited By: kttch809
	max-attac posted: On Wookieepedia, Kiara Oldivan is mentionned in Omen. She become a Jedi apprentice ?? I don't believe so. IIRC, the only mention of her in Omen was in the context of Ben's experiences on Ziost. -----signature----- "The Force is a superstition, a myth people swear by. It's used to frighten children." -Luke Skywalker
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S1thari Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 7/8 8:58pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 9:17pm (4 edits total) Edited By: S1thari
	FireJade posted: killfire posted: I don't know. I bought Outcast because I usually like Allston's books, and I bought Omen to give Golden a fair chance. The writing is ok in both books so far, but the plot is too slow for my taste. I don't need another galactic conflict, but a little space action wouldn't hurt. I mean it's Star Wars, not medieval knights. So, unless something happens I won't buy Abyss. Assuming I'm not the only one going by this ratio, something is going to happen. I expect a big death. So you want a death in Abyss just to "spice things up"? I don't think I would agree with that, but maybe that's just me. I don't want another character death, simply because there are other ways to make an impact. It might be nice if one of the Mad Jedi kills one of their fellow Jedi to ante up the stakes a bit. As of right now, I just don't feel that electrical emotional connection to the story like I did at this point with BLOODLINES in LOTF. There's just nothing there. Sure the Mad Jedi are a threat, but they need to establish them as a much bigger one in order for us (me, at least) to feel like there's actually something at stake other than the Jedi Order's reputation... The idea of Allana going crazy might also accomplish that, too. Nobody has to die in order for this plot to feel genuine, but as of OMEN, I'm starting to lean in that direction. Plus, DelRey seems pretty keen on the idea even if it doesn't accomplish anything plot-wise... Kebis posted: I enjoyed the book, but did anyone else think the Lost Tribe wasn't Sith enough? A bunch of Sith crash on an inhabited planet, and for 5000 years they all sit around in a nice friendly council? No mention of ancient wars between rival sith, no plotting and intrigue for the High Lord position, no lashing out at underlings, not even a lone Sith trying to steal Ship for their own purposes. There should have been something like that somewhere in the story. Otherwise how do we know they're evil? As it stands now, the history of Kesh seems to reinforce the Sith belief that the Jedi are the true obstacles to peace. I hate to say this, but I see the lack of these essential Sith characteristics as a failure of the author. It's fairly obvious that the book was rushed, and I think Golden was in a hurry to get everything else down -- Vestara's intro, her ascension to official Tyro, meeting with the Council, etc. -- she might not have had the time to incorporate those typical Sith maneuverings into the story. Hopefully Denning and Allston, or even JJM, can incorporate all of that into their respective novels/short stories. Manisphere posted: I do hope not. I'd like a truly formidable Sith to kick Ben's ass around for a while. I'd rather her be Cat Woman to Ben's Batman than anything else. And even that's a comparison I don't much like. Honestly, I think I'd like it best if Vestra thought nothing of Ben. That would show him. I agree wholeheartedly. Although it'd be just like DelRey to introduce a character solely to mate with Ben. With all of the Jaina/Jag shippiness these days, I'm not sure I could stand another one...
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FireJade Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 7/8 9:18pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Granted, there was the whole "deception" idea with the scar near Vestara's mouth... But that's as Hapan as it is Sith. -----signature----- Luke: Still, I think I make a pretty good Luke Skywalker. Mara: Of course you do. Luke: So before you began impersonating Mara, what was your real hair color? Mara: Farmboy, you're asking for a beating... --- LotF: Betrayal by Aaron Allston (2006), p. 228
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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/8 9:46pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Speaking of all this media stuff I would have loved to see Cindel Towani show up. -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you? . http://www.cccomiccon.com http://www.actionfigurenews.ca
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Xavior Registered: Feb '08	Date Posted: 7/8 10:26pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/8 10:28pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Xavior
	S1thari posted: Xavior posted: Could the Mind Drinker be the villian from Shadows of Mindor, didnt he get chased off into the Maw also? Actually, I think they were called Mind Drinkers / Mind Walkers. Both were plural, suggesting there's more than one. It would be awesome if Cronal did show up sometime in FOTJ, I agree. He'd be pretty darn old, though, since he could barely stand in SoM. Unless he transferred his consciousness into a different body before he "disintegrated"... Ah but didnt two people chase after him into the maw, what if he took over thier minds, that would give you the plural yes? And they could have "become one" with the Maw.
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Sinrebirth Title: Sith Emperor of the SWC Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 7/9 5:38am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Oher. Cronal + Kar Vaster + Nick Rostu + Maw... That sounds mildly terrifying. -----signature----- Darth Insipid Proud Fan of the Tragedy of Jacen Solo Missing Chapters of Invincible; Teaser of Chapter 9.5 is up! Wes vs Tarfang, Gavin and the Coup, Luke and Jacen, and much more! http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28933751/p3/?70
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Hendo255 Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 7/9 11:06am Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/9 11:07am (2 edits total) Edited By: Hendo255
	The2ndQuest posted: I'm not saying we necessarily need to see those other reporters- I understand if they want to focus on the "JJJ" guy, especially if he's going to be worked into the Moff conspiracy. I guess it just bothers me to have the Jedi outright demonizing the whole profession as an instant gut reaction, when these other reporters are obviously out there. It's like the Jedi think higher of mercenaries and bounty hunters than the reporters of a free press. Yea I get ya. It's sort of like some actors. Only eventho they normally hate the paparazzi for invading their privacy, publicity for actors usually helps them(provided they're not flipping out or driving drunk) But in the Jedi's case, the press severly hurts them and their ability to do their job. Someone(Jaina I think?) said that Jedi are being booed by the public while on missions due to the ill light that the press is putting them in... yes, yes..jacen helped but the press is making it much much much worse. Imagine being a Jedi sent to settle a dispute through diplomatic negotiation during this time frame... it would be a joke. Nobody would take them seriously. In the past they may have been able to settle the dispute through diplomacy. But now their word would carry little to no weight and things would continue to go downhill. ------- Xavior posted: Im calling it right now---- Vestra is to Ben, what Mara was to Luke. I HIGHLY Agree with you on that one. I mean lets face it. Pickins seem to be pretty slim as far as ladies for Ben is concerned. I don't think he's likely to meet any other potential wives while in the Maw or exiled in general lol In one of my theories I actually had "Only Luke and Ben Skywalker together with(calling it now) Ben’s future wife who he is going to redeem (the Sith Tribe apprentice, can’t remember how to spell her name) can stop them! Ben said so much himself, “The Skywalkers, celebrating a proud family tradition of bringing people back from the Dark Side” Not an exact quote but my book’s at home lol" -----signature----- Zayne is the Sith Emperor. Both use the Force, both lived around the same time and Zayne is friends with Gryph who is a notorious con-artist. See! it all fits together perfectly!
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Thrawn McEwok Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 7/9 12:07pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/9 12:08pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Thrawn McEwok
	Robimus: I've already been clear. I liked the writing of it, how it fit into the story, the idea of continuing Tahiri's path as a Sith apprentice, the idea of flipping the Empire back to an "evil" form to have Jag shudder come in and save the Imperial way, so on. That said Tahiri chose to be a Sith, to study under Darth Caedus, to murder Pellaeon, to murder Lon Shevu. She ceased being sympathetic at that point for me and I grew to hate her through Invincible. The only thing there that might cause me a problem is Pellaeon's assassination, but as I said, I don't think that I fully understand the motives involved (on either side). For me, motives matter a lot more than banners like "Sith" and "Darth Caedus". And I see no clear evidence that Tahiri's motives were bad. So, I don't think it fits the way you think it does. But I find Jag provokes eyeroll from me now, although I think he's a surprising combination of dullness and selfish barvity; so maybe we have some common ground there? Sigh, if you don't get my response then you don't get it. No, i've just not seen you describe it as anything more than "emotional" in the abstract. After you rejected my initial interpretation (i.e. "You seem to think it's Pellaeons death that I'm upset with? That couldn't be farther from the truth"), I'm not wanting to guess again... But more on that later... I'm not that detached as a reader, I'm not worried about examining the technical aspects of the writing or blaming authors for character death. I just go with the story, if I feel an emotional response all the better. The suspension of disbelief and involving the readers in their story should be the author(s) goal an for me in this case they succeeded. [...] No, you were pretty clear.......Thrawn posted:and it was an authorial/editorial decision. Why are you blaming a fictional character for it? No, you're misunderstanding: this isn't an either/or choice - the fact I mentioned the authorial/editorial decision at the end doesn't mean I hadn't been looking at the event in in-universe terms. It's possible to do both. That makes the criticism meaningless. I'm NOT just hanging back in OOU abstraction. To explain further: you seem to be repeatedly contrasting your "emotional response" with a "detached reader" - clinical, OOU, focused on the author's agenda... and fundamentally incorrect in their approach, if "involving the readers in their story should be the author(s) goal".... It looks to me as though you're using that criticism of the "detached reader" as an attempt to dismiss my argument, and if so, that doesn't work, since that's not my approach. Analysing a situation in a story doesn't mean a lack of "suspension of disbelief" - in fact, I think it almost requires it. A reader can think about the reasons behind an event without withdrawing from the story - just as in-universe characters would "have" similar reactions, too. The combination of trust and imagination involved isn't very different from what every poet, politician, historian or general has to do with the information they recieve. Sometimes, though, things don't fit: a character's actions don't make sense to me, or they do things that don't fit with their backstory. That makes me ask What have we not seen here? - a natural response, I think, but because I'm looking in from the outside, one thing I might do is wonder about OOU causes. Yes, sometimes my reaction involve analysis, but I'd see that as natural. Sometimes, I end up thinking about issues like authorial motive, too - but that's NOT the exact same issue, and when I do that, it's a normally continuation of my natural reader-response, caused by the experience of the story itself. Do you really believe readers shouldn't do this? I don't think so, as you did the same later in your comments... (Also, I don't normally "blame" anyone for story events, and I didn't in this instance - I think you may have picked up on my use of the word, but the only "blame" I mentioned was my impression of your reaction to the characters; apologies if that's incorrect... ) I blame the fictional character because she was responsible for it, thats the story. I don't blame authors for character deaths. I don't "blame" anyone, but I do consider OOU factors when the story makes me do so (and that can be good, bad or neutral)... In Revelation, the characters' actions seemed so odd to me, which made me ask questions about motive and subtext (which I'd say is a good thing) and also about authorial/editorial decisions (which is a bit more jarring)... In Invincible, the characters' actions made sense to me in a different way than you (which I think may be due to your different reading of the previous novel)... Based on your comments, I can see two possible reasons for your different reaction, neither of which I fully understand: you seem to automatically think Tahiri's motives are or have to be villainous (I'm not quite clear why? ), and/or you're more upset than me because it was Pellaeon (more on that later)... I already explained in my previous post why things are the way they are. Boba is on Daala's payroll, Lecersen cut a plea deal of sorts, Jaina never set out on any assassination mission and only acted after the Moff coup on the Bloodfin. She was part of a team of bounty hunters being payed to assassinate as many Moffs as possible (irrespective of their actual involvement in Quille's coup).... Ben is a complex issue and one that has not been written to my satisfaction. To answer your question, like I already did, he should be called to task for his crimes and maybe yet will be. That goes for all that I mentioned above, the story is not yet over and eventually they might all answer for their crimes. You're misunderstanding my question (and now you ARE discussing things analyitcally! ); I'm asking about the difference in your emotional reactions between the different plot-points... Why does the Pellaeon incident make you angrier? I don't see how you now lump Luke into this equation. Do you buy Daala's deriliction of duty charges? No, I see him mind-controling Jaina and the Mandalorians. That's morally obnoxious in itself, as Fett's response when he realises in Invincible should show, and doubly so when he gets them to kill people for him. I also suspect he may be mind-controling others, notably Niathal and Pellaeon. Thrawn McEwok posted: I can't think of one character in "Legacy of the Force" who wasn't complicit in assassination and treason. Allana Perhaps. Every adult character, then, as I think Kira was pretty innocent too. But even Allana is complicit in whatever happened to Aurra Sing, by virtue of stabbing her. I'll have to take a closer look at Fury and the end of Tempest, to see what else she does.... I always look toward morals over these legal issues the like of treason. Luke is guilty of treason against the Empire, that doesn't make anything he did wrong. I was making a moral point, actually, and I thought that I'd make that clear (although I think it's also one that also has technical implications, inasmuch as Lecersen or Daala have created a precedent that could be used against them)... Not my take, but thats fine. We needn't agree. Nope, we don't, but I'm still having trouble getting my head round the reasons for your take on this event, since your statements about your POV are contradictory... Tahiri's choices and probably Ben's were to late for me. But then I never believed in Darth Vader's redemption either. That's not very Star Wars of you.... Do these plots EVER work for you? Thats what I thought you were doing before you blamed the author/editors I can do both, you realise, without fear of contradiction? Although, like I said, I don't "blame" anyone... There's no "motive", I don't carry hidden agenda's and I don't roleplay. I just state things as I see them. I don't have the attachment to Gejjen, or Thracken, or numerous nameless Hapan's that I have for Pellaeon or even Shevu. That's not what you said earlier: Robimus posted: You seem to think it's Pellaeons death that I'm upset with? That couldn't be farther from the truth... When challenged that your angry reaction is because Pellaeon was a favourite character, you say you're not upset by that; when challenged to explain why this differs from your other reactions, you cite your specific attachment to the character. How do you sustain that paradox? We're not in a court of law, this isn't about being fair to everyone for me. Say Luke were to die, am I to compare the emotional response I feel from his death to the response I got from Twar Vatok's death, I don't think so. See Twar Vatok above. So it IS about "a very vocal Pellaeon fan" being upset, as I initially suspected, and you denied? If not, what? Thrawn posted: What is it that makes Tahiri different for you from Ben Skywalker, or Jaina Solo, or Boba Fett, or Rukh, or Darth Vader, in the list of characters who've assassinated senior officers aboard Star Destroyer flagships? My attachment to Pellaeon of course, I think this has been obvious, it's not like I'm hiding it. I'm not trying to. ... Robimus posted: You seem to think it's Pellaeons death that I'm upset with? That couldn't be farther from the truth. Really? Add to that the way she killed Shevu, the reasons she killed Shevu. She was trying to apply precisely-measured force in order to get vital information from Ben Skywalker without breaking him into a little Sith slave? Again, there is no reason I have to break this all down in an impartial manner, nor do you. You want Tahiri absolved of her crimes, I want her head on a platter. Its all about our own personal perspectives on the issue. My personal perspective isn't just a question of liking Tahiri as a character, though (although I do, obviously). Your comments now, however, suggest that for you, it is all about it being Pellaeon, as opposed to Gejjen or Jacen. But I've always been a big Pellaeon fan, too, Roh. She never went on an assassination mission. The point for Jaina was to go after Tahiri and draw out Jacen. She had no knowledge of Daala's orders to Fett. "... when you're hunting scum, Solo, recognizing the voices is part of making sure you kill the right barve." (Fett to Jaina, Revelation, page 311). They're specifically targeting the people whose voices are on the recording. She was doing what she felt was right, how the law might look at the issue doesn't matter to me. You could apply that to most of the characters in the series. Including Tahiri. That's my point. Maybe you can point out why you feel Jaina was knowingly going on an assassination mission, because I don't see that at all. Even the Madalorians didn't know what their role would be until Daala sent the word. "Daala had made clear what he had to do", Revelation, page 312. What happened earlier is irrelevant: when they're given their contract, Jaina goes along in full knowledge, with no hesitations, as a paid killer. And yes, you will enjoy the Anakin Solo talk But he's still not going to get flow walked back to life. At least I hope not I'd kinda like it if it did happen. I like having fun topics to discuss in Star Wars... But this seemed the more live topic, and the one I was directly engaged in, hence this reply... - The Imperial Ewok -----signature----- A/T = OTP :===8[#]8===: Kyp/Jaina fans: stand up and be counted!
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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/9 2:15pm Subject: The Official Fate of the Jedi: Omen Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 7/9 2:18pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Robimus
	Thrawn McEwok: I can be angered, saddened and emotional over Pellaeon's death without holding Karen Traviss responsible for it. I can be angered, saddened and emotional over Chewie's death without holding R.A. Salvatore responsible for it. You quote this from my initial response: "You seem to think it's Pellaeons death that I'm upset with? That couldn't be farther from the truth" but fail to include this "I've always supported the way his death was written on these very boards" which immediatly followed your chosen "quote" in my initial post. I'm not in anyway trying to dismiss your arguement as you suggest, though I think you are trying to dismiss my point of view by sitting me down on an E-Couch and playing this "Why do you feel this way?" type approach. Sure, of course I sometimes look at books from both perspectives. That doesn't change the story that was told, or the text on the page. If you think I'm contradicting myself because I liked the hows and whys of writing Pellaeon's death and was emotionally moved by the story, so be it. It doesn't mean that you have to have the same reaction. Thrawn posted: In Revelation, the characters' actions seemed so odd to me, which made me ask questions about motive and subtext (which I'd say is a good thing) and also about authorial/editorial decisions (which is a bit more jarring)... Which is your right. They didn't seem odd to me. Thrawn posted: That makes the criticism meaningless. I'm NOT just hanging back in OOU abstraction. Then why should Tahiri's crimes not be punished? (Also, I don't normally "blame" anyone for story events, and I didn't in this instance - I think you may have picked up on my use of the word, but the only "blame" I mentioned was my impression of your reaction to the characters; apologies if that's incorrect... ) You clearly state that it was an author/editorial decision and questioned why I am blaming a fictional character. This suggests to me that Tahiri, to you, had no part in this crime. That it was the authors and editors that were responsible. This is of course true, the creative team is responsible for all that appears on the page. Tahiri doesn't really exist, nor does Luke. They don't matter at all....this seems to me to be what your trying to get at with that comment. My appologies if that is incorrect. Thrawn posted: She was part of a team of bounty hunters being payed to assassinate as many Moffs as possible (irrespective of their actual involvement in Quille's coup Just point me to a page number presenting this as her POV....... Thrawn posted: You're misunderstanding my question (and now you ARE discussing things analyitcally! ); I'm asking about the difference in your emotional reactions between the different plot-points... I never said I don't, just that I try not to. And I already answered this question in my last post. Thrawn posted: Nope, we don't, but I'm still having trouble getting my head round the reasons for your take on this event, since your statements about your POV are contradictory... Again, just becasue you unwilling to give any ground doesn't dismiss your point of veiw. But you feel that it should dismiss mine. Thrawn posted: That's not very Star Wars of you.... Do these plots EVER work for you? Again with the E-Couch. Did you ever think that your view of Star Wars might be different than my own? Thrawn posted: So it IS about "a very vocal Pellaeon fan" being upset, as I initially suspected, and you denied? Yes, upset with Tahiri. Thrawn posted: My personal perspective isn't just a question of liking Tahiri as a character, though (although I do, obviously). Your comments now, however, suggest that for you, it is all about it being Pellaeon, as opposed to Gejjen or Jacen. In this case certainly. Thrawn posted: Daala had made clear what he had to do", Revelation, page 312. What happened earlier is irrelevant: when they're given their contract, Jaina goes along in full knowledge, with no hesitations, as a paid killer. So Jaina can read Fett's mind now. And to think people complain about KT downplaying Force powers Thrawn posted: No, I see him mind-controling Jaina and the Mandalorians. That's morally obnoxious in itself, as Fett's response when he realises in Invincible should show, and doubly so when he gets them to kill people for him. I also suspect he may be mind-controling others, notably Niathal and Pellaeon. OK then -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you? . http://www.cccomiccon.com http://www.actionfigurenews.ca
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