Liliedhe posted:But Vader is her father. He is who she agonizes about. If she fell, her ROLE might be more like Palpatine (see the Empress vision in Planet of Twilight), but the power she fears, and the desire and rage, she would attribute to Vader.
DarthIktomi posted:I don't know how she feels about herself compared to Anakin. I really have trouble comparing Leia to Anakin. Slave who came from out of nowhere to defeat the Separatists v. princess who dedicated the best years of her life to fighting for democracy.
beccatoria posted:DarthIktomi posted:I don't know how she feels about herself compared to Anakin. I really have trouble comparing Leia to Anakin. Slave who came from out of nowhere to defeat the Separatists v. princess who dedicated the best years of her life to fighting for democracy. Well...I think that a discussion on Leia's personality, since her characterisation in this novel is under debate, still qualifies as on-topic. So! You aren't the first person who I've seen view the issue this way and certainly the canonical view often seems to fall in line with Leia=Padme and Luke=Anakin in terms of personality; an assumption I think comes from the way they break down in terms of physical resemblance and chosen profession. However, I very much think that in terms of personality, you have it the wrong way around. Padme is the one who is patient, passive, loving and unwavering in her belief that there is good in everything, and everything is worth saving. I think this is very much like Luke who, despite decades of training and dedication turning him into an extraordinary warrior, is first and foremost a farmboy, someone who would rather a peaceful solution and who sees the good in everyone. Anakin has a temper, is easily frustrated, extremely passionate and slow to forgive. I see Leia as very much like this. Her cause and passion is justice and she was raised with democracy as an ethical model, unlike Anakin who was raised as a slave and in a non-democratic warrior-monk society. But Anakin's frustration that they can't just have a government that MAKES everyone do the right thing, is the same as Leia's. She just has a much, much more sophisticated understanding of the ethical complexities of governance. The same way it's Luke's training and innate strength in the Force that makes him an incredible warrior, not an instinctive love of fighting such as you might find in Mace Windu or Anakin Skywalker, it's Leia's years of training in politics that have left her with the ability to be patient and see all sides of the issue. And in fact we frequently get snippets from her perspective about how frustrated she is with the political system and the red tape, even though she forces herself to abide by it. The only real difference between Leia and Anakin in terms of personality is that Leia has the self-control to mute her impulses that Anakin always lacked.
JediAlly posted:However, there was very little politics in the novel, aside from the proposed Leia/Isolder political marriage. So I don't see how this train of thoughts have anything to do with the novel. In a book like Star By Star, that's a different matter.
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:I loved Isolder in the book. Dashing, daring, a man of morals raised in a pit of vipers.
Arawn_Fenn posted:RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:I loved Isolder in the book. Dashing, daring, a man of morals raised in a pit of vipers. In Children of Dune his character was called Farad'n Corrino. Or Harq al-Ada if you like.
Ally posted:It was almost as if the Force itself healed Luke. Was this a hint of "the Force having a will"?
Ally posted:Question - why did you decide to make Hero's Trial the next book to discuss. If we were to get into the NJO, I would think we'd start at the beginning - Vector Prime?
Charlie posted:Because Luke Skywalker doesn't do anything sleazy, it comes off as a perfectly normal Star Wars book but it is all lurking back in the basis of our consciousness.