Callina posted:In terms of talent, Karen Traviss is one of the better SW authors. She writes well; I have found her books to be exciting and sometimes even moving. But her writing on the Mandalorians makes me crazy. It's a puff piece in novel form. She cuts down the real giants of Star Wars, both good and bad, so that no one will be bigger than her Mandalorians. Her books are filled with little asides that are the literary equivalent of admiring glances. She regales us with incessant homages to the Mandalorians - their fascinating culture, their scariness, their salt-of-the-earth wonderfulness, their sheer awesomeness - and let's not forget their family values. The hero-worship oozes into the story, and leaves whole passages sticky.
DarthKuriboh posted:It's gone. Karen's the only one who has the interest, talent and knowledge to write Mandos properly. Please, bring on whole series involving Mandos. SHE makes them interesting.
Dawud786 posted: All of which are obviously non-canon even in the games. The man is Mandalore in the next game
Dawud786 posted: and furthermore... he dark side aligned in both games.
DarthKuriboh posted:Personal attacks are not acceptable. Karen's the only one who has the interest, talent and knowledge to write Mandos properly. Please, bring on whole series involving Mandos. SHE makes them interesting.
yoda4982 posted:Let KT write from the MAndo perspective, let someone else write the Republic perspective and Sith Perspective.
MercenaryAce posted:DarthKuriboh posted:Personal attacks are not acceptable. Karen's the only one who has the interest, talent and knowledge to write Mandos properly. Please, bring on whole series involving Mandos. SHE makes them interesting. I disagree. I think Abel G. Peña created a much more interesting and nuanced version of the Mandolorians.
Tricky posted:MercenaryAce posted:DarthKuriboh posted:Personal attacks are not acceptable. Karen's the only one who has the interest, talent and knowledge to write Mandos properly. Please, bring on whole series involving Mandos. SHE makes them interesting. I disagree. I think Abel G. Peña created a much more interesting and nuanced version of the Mandolorians. I also think he created AN interesting version of the Mandalorians, but he didn't create the only version of Mandos. On top of that, it's too bad Pena can't/didn't write a novel or comic about Spar, Fenn Shysa, Tobbi Dala & Fett. I probably would've liked it. The HoM article in SWInsider was good, but it's really nothing more than footnotes, a Mandalorian article in a magazine. Plenty of writers have had a chance to expand on the whole Mando culture from Pena to Jeter, Luceno, Keyes, Lucas, the writers of the Marvel & KOTOR comics, Stover & Denning; instead they wrote tiny stories here & there that leave the Mandos as scattered & different from each other as the vast number of alien species in all of SW. I'd love to see a solid SW novel that deals with the Mandalorian civil wars in the OJO, or one dealing with the Imperial occupation of Mandalore in the NJO. No one's AFAIK would even want to write anything like that, except for Karen Traviss. Prove me wrong! Look here, in this thread it seems like almost everyone would want to read a Mandalorian War novel, as long as KT doesn't write it, yeah? Then lets all work together to convince Sue Rostoni & LFL that we want this book, under the condition that Traviss either doesn't go overboard on Mando nationalism or that someone else gets to write it. Can we work together to make it happen?
Dougie_Five posted:yoda4982 posted:Let KT write from the MAndo perspective, let someone else write the Republic perspective and Sith Perspective. Problem is, KT's novels feel like they were written from the Mando perspective quite literally, as in a Mandalorian *literally* sat down and wrote some fiction; right down to the dumbed-down mischaracterisations of Jedi characters almost to the point of parody and farce. I'm all for novels where the point-of-view is something other than the traditional good-guy perspective, but the authors of such novels need to do it without ruining the immersion by moving the bias outside of the thoughts of the protagonists and into the behaviour and actions of the other characters. I want to read a novel where I can believe the dialogue and the behaviour of the characters would be identical if someone else wrote about the same story from the Republic/Jedi p.o.v., instead of wanting to shout at the page because of all the straw men the author has made out of established characters and the rubbish that comes out of their mouths. Until Traviss can pull this off she does not deserve such a responsibility.
yoda4982 posted: The last statement you made, i keep hearing this alot, but really can't place where is comes from...could you elaborate more on it for me so i can better understand. (i'm not be sarcastic, i'm just trying to understand better)
A straw man is a form of argument that misrepresents another's position. Traviss tends to write this into virtually all of her characters when it comes to discussing Jedi. You may have noticed the anti-Jedi bias in many of her books. Many of her characters show disdain for Jedi, but the reasoning they often produce is a gross misrepresentation of what the Jedi actually are. posted: