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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 11/5 6:16pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	BROWNHORNET posted: I don't like how Finn, with little Jedi training, is thrust into the middle of events and gets along so famously with some of the major players of the NJO. I think it might've made more sense to just have Finn already be a Jedi that is torn between his duties and his home planet than making him a rookie, with a serious case of Gary Stuism. I found his sister more interesting though I think she's got a bit of Mary Sue in her. And it was cool seeing the Vong in a comic book, but I think I've got my fill of Finn's adventures. At least with Cade and Zayne they tried to be a little different with the main character, but Finn being a prince and all, it just felt like been there, done that. This. I could reiterate what this BROWNHORNET has said but this sums up my feelings for the most part. I reread the whole arc yesterday and I really wasn't feeling it. Finn simply isn't as interesting or drawn out as Zayne or Cade. And yeah, his sister is actually less interesting than Finn. The cameos also aren't grabbing me like I thought they would. Perhaps it's because I know how it turns out for all of them. I'm not really sure what I was expecting from the Skywalker/Solos but I'm not definitely not engrossed by them in this first arc. I did like the Dulac twist. I think it reminded me more of the NJO novels than anything else. I suppose I'll buy it if it continues mostly for the Vong and war in itself but I'm not dying for the next arc like I'm dying for Dark Times to continue. (Ok, so I reiterated a little.) -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 11/5 8:19pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5) - Date Edited: 11/6 8:23am (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	Interesting setup for the rest of the series. We aminly get the resolution of Kaye's freedom and uprising as the main self-contained story in this arc, while Finn's essentially sets up his father's rebellion and infiltrator issues. I do like the fact that they went with the infiltrator instead of a "turned" character (I would have thought "we have a secret underwater base" would have countered any "I was tortured into obedience" effect had it been). Is it too much to hope that Prowl will come across an "elderly" H2 so we can have an ultimate "Floating Sarcastic Droid Sidekick to Main heroes" team-up? Both the "Wookiee...with a lightsaber?!" and "I promised this man your head. Good thing you like pain- because this is going to hurt." lines were awesome. I was confused about one scene though- where Leia is mind-tricking the smuggler. She mind tricks him to say "Agreed." then she asks "What was that?" and he says "Thank you.". Was there a missing word bubble/line of dialogue of the bug saying something under his breath after he responds to the mind trick? Cause that exchange just doesn't make any sense to me otherwise. EDIT- My confusion is resolved a few posts down; I accidentally overlooked part of Leia's dialogue. Also, The letters colum also notes, for continuity hounds, that Anakin's saber color will be corrected to the proper purple color for the trade. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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whateveritis12 Registered: Nov '08	Date Posted: 11/5 9:27pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	The2ndQuest posted: I was confused about one scene though- where Leia is mind-tricking the smuggler. She mind tricks him to say "Agreed." then she asks "What was that?" and he says "Thank you.". Was there a missing word bubble/line of dialogue of the bug saying something under his breath after he responds to the mind trick? Cause that exchange just doesn't make any sense to me otherwise. I think that's just showing off the natural Skywalker presence to be able to scare the crap out of people when they try. It's more prevalent with the older ones and especially Leia, but there was no force persuasion. It's one of those things where Leia wanted to make sure he got what she was talking about. You have to remember at this time that Leia still isn't that well trained in the force and would probably more rely on her presence and speech skill to get things done over what she could do with the force. -----signature----- Seriously! A WOOKIE, with a LIGHTSABER. That's just overkill. Ben/Vestara bringing dark powers to the greatest force line Reading: Dark Tide: Onslaught, Legacy Tatooine arc Future: NJO books through Balance Point, Invasion, and Dark Lord Trilo
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 11/5 10:04pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	Even if she's not mindtricking him (and I think she is- look at her hand), his "thank you" still doesn't make any sense. It feels like a non-sequitur. He might as well have been saying "peanut butter and jelly sandwich" in that bubble. What did she say or do that she would insist on him adding that? She asked him if he agreed and he he said "agreed". -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 11/5 10:15pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	I thought it was more in the sense that Leia has more than enough firepower at that point, with four Jedi (not counting Finn), including a Wookiee with a lightsaber (when a Wookiee doesn't really need one even), so the smuggler is giving them the data whether he wants to or not, and he better be grateful. Which seems kind of mean, but then again, better to be firm than too nice and possibly let him get away. Glancing back at the issue, Leia lays out their "terms"- "Here's what going to happen. You're going to give us the information. And in exchange we will give you nowhere near what its worth. Then you say thank you. And we will leave you alone. Agreed?" The Vratix agrees, Leia asks what was that, then he says "thank you" like she said he was supposed to say. Which is kind of a strong-arm approach, but then again, this is Nar Shaddaa. Its not exactly her at her nicest, but the smuggler was trying to make money off potentially valuable information that could help the war effort. Its a bit strange, but guess she was making sure he was sufficiently cowed. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 11/5 11:05pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	Quest: could the bubble attributions be reversed? I think that's happened once before. She mind-tricks him, he kind of comes back to himself and says, "What was that?" and she says, "Thank you"? The bubbles are pointed in the wrong direction or filled in the wrong order? I haven't seen it; I'm just guessing trying to make sense of it. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?" "I . . . don't know what department I want. I need . . . pants."
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 11/6 2:06am Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5) - Date Edited: 11/6 2:07am (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
	Manisphere posted: The cameos also aren't grabbing me like I thought they would. Perhaps it's because I know how it turns out for all of them. I'm not really sure what I was expecting from the Skywalker/Solos but I'm not definitely not engrossed by them in this first arc. I did like the Dulac twist. I think it reminded me more of the NJO novels than anything else. I know what you mean. I think I liked them better when I was still concerned it might only be a 5-issue arc, so the speed at which Finn has gone from a nobody to a major player to a friend of the Sky-Solos seemed okay in an "if it's only a one-shot arc, then whatever" kind of way. But if the series is now going to be ongoing, I'm thinking it'd have been better to space these things out a bit. Not use up all your big guns right at the start, so to speak. KOTOR had the most easily missable cameo of Revan and Malak in #0 and then we didn't see them again for ages, and it was a long time before we had concrete proof Alek was indeed Malak and that JJM wasn't playing with us like he had been with the Darth Sion characters. Now we're out of the first arc, which I'm happy enough to put down to "KOTOR sells just because it's KOTOR but the Vong needed the extra advertising from the Luke covers", going forward I'd prefer not to be inundated with cameos every issue. That's why I don't think Finn is really growing on me, as it's making him seem too much like a bit-player. Zayne was a bit-player. Zayne never did anything particularly major. Zayne has never taken part in the Mandalorian Wars. But Zayne still feels important to KOTOR. Finn's trouble is he seems like he's just the freshman tagging along to play with the big kids. He needs his equivalent of Jarael and Gryph. The droid's great, but Elbee can't be the main sidekick.
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CurlyWookie Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 11/6 6:21am Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	T2Q it's right there in Leia's dialogue, "You're going to give us the information, and in extange we will give you nowhere near what it's worth. Then you will say thank-you..." He agrees and when he doesn't give her the info Leia says "What was that?" Then he says "thank-you" as he hands her the McGuffin. What I want to know, or don't want to know, is where did Spraug have the holocron? He wasn't wearing any clothes! I think Finn is shaping up to be a great character, but I think his family is a little too cookie cutter. I love having the Big Three in this series. They're present but not overshadowing Finn. This is such a great era for comics. And how about that crazy homeless guy? Did we get some hints that there may be something more to Finn than meets the eye?
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 11/6 8:20am Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	You guys are right- I completely glazed over the "then you will say thank you" line and focused on the "agreed?" "agreed." part after it. My mistake. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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TIEPilot051999 Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 11/6 2:10pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5) - Date Edited: 11/6 2:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: TIEPilot051999
	Manisphere posted: The cameos also aren't grabbing me like I thought they would. Perhaps it's because I know how it turns out for all of them. I'm not really sure what I was expecting from the Skywalker/Solos but I'm not definitely not engrossed by them in this first arc. Sadly, their inclusion is one of the things I didn't like about this arc, and is making me wonder if I should invest money in future arcs. One of the reasons why I got into this series was that it wouldn't be bogged down by the presence of Luke, Han, Leia and the Solo brats and all that which their presence permeated the early NJO books. Issue 2 was a minor blip that I was willing to ignore if it didn't happen again. Sadly, it did in #4, and was bothersome, but what happened here really irritated the [word I can't say]] out of me. Maybe it's cause we've all had a decade's worth of time to get over it (with greater SW literacy crimes happening in the meantime, but I won't get into that), but Chewie's death doesn't seem that big of an issue anymore, and doesn't really seem worth harping over. -----signature----- Devi is my Padme Angel All Hail Megatron! The Tenth Doctor In Sleepy Tower - Third Place Winner
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Sinrebirth Title: Sith Emperor of the SWC Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 11/6 4:23pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	Sith holocron, anyone? Or... was the crazy person on Nar Shardaa the original Dulac? Good issue, nonetheless. Less Yuuzhan Vong, more era, seemingly. -----signature----- Darth Insipid Proud Fan of the Tragedy of Jacen Solo Missing Chapters of Invincible; Teaser of Chapter 9.5 is up! Wes vs Tarfang, Gavin and the Coup, Luke and Jacen, and much more! http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28933751/p3/?70
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Xicer Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 11/6 6:01pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	Great issue and a good end to the arc. Did anyone else notice that the sign Finn was hanging from said "Lando's" in Aurebesh? -----signature----- "Just before your arrival, Moneo and I were discussing Infinity." "Poor Moneo." --Leto II and Malky, "God Emperor of Dune"
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vong333 Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/6 8:11pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	I don't know, after the second issue I felt that the series went down hill for me. Maybe the second arc will be more action oriented.
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CurlyWookie Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 11/7 8:46am Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	Manisphere posted: The cameos also aren't grabbing me like I thought they would. Perhaps it's because I know how it turns out for all of them. How can you guys subscribe to this? That's like saying Ultimate Spider-man sucks because you already know the story, or the PT sucked because you already knew Anakin and Obi Wan's fate, or you can't read Bat-man because he stars in like five comic books so they obviouly aren't going to kill him off in the one you're reading. Heck, Tom Taylor has barely even mentioned Chewie dying, just enough for the reader to understand the family discord. So far I think the Solos have been great. They family dynamic of the era is spot on. And they are the secondary characters, not the leads. Don't bring the background to the foreground. Really, only the Galfridian family fate matters.
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Manisphere Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 11/7 12:36pm Subject: Invasion #5: Refugees, part 5 (of 5)
	CurlyWookie posted: Manisphere posted: The cameos also aren't grabbing me like I thought they would. Perhaps it's because I know how it turns out for all of them. How can you guys subscribe to this? That's like saying Ultimate Spider-man sucks because you already know the story, or the PT sucked because you already knew Anakin and Obi Wan's fate, or you can't read Bat-man because he stars in like five comic books so they obviouly aren't going to kill him off in the one you're reading. Heck, Tom Taylor has barely even mentioned Chewie dying, just enough for the reader to understand the family discord. So far I think the Solos have been great. They family dynamic of the era is spot on. And they are the secondary characters, not the leads. Don't bring the background to the foreground. Really, only the Galfridian family fate matters. Thing is, I know exact details about the NJO characters from the NJO novels. I can't say that at all for a given Spiderman story or a Batman story. I also had no idea how Anakin became Vader and why. Or how and why Luke came to be brought up on Tatooine near Obi-Wan and Leia on Alderaan. Invasion isn't really filling in the huge blanks the PT did cause there really aren't any for the NJO characters. I suppose part of what I find boring about TCW is that I do know how things turn out so I'd say that's a better example because I not only know their fate, I know how everything happens in the end. There is no mystery. There certainly were an immense amount of unanswered questions before the PT. -----signature----- "Head of State, a Sith is just a Jedi who's gone off his meds."-Natasi Daala
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